Fire/Fire feedback wanted


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Here is the Mid's build. I made this character on day one of Issue 12, and have probably played him the most of any of my toons. I never planned him out or built him in Mids beforehand, however I did sit down and basically copy what I have on Live to Mids recently. I have Spiritual Core, Reactive Radial, Barrier Core on auto, Phantoms Radial, and Pyronic Core at tier 4. I concentrated on regen and procs. I frequently run demon farms or fire AE missions but he feels good on anything really. I just HATE that mobs run out of Burn for only scrappers - doesn't seem fair. I can't justify respeccing into tentacles just for that though. Anyways, thoughts? I haven't decided if I am going to finish the purple set in FSC yet or not.

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Reroll as brute... You will do better, specially FA.
But, ok you got T4s so... Well, pretending burn does not exist sucks, its one of the best powers in the set so yes, slot it as 6 slots Oblits.
Burn for brutes is awesome, the mobs keep burning just so close to you is awesome MUAHAHAHAHA!
I love it.


 

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Reroll as brute... You will do better, specially FA.
But, ok you got T4s so... Well, pretending burn does not exist sucks, its one of the best powers in the set so yes, slot it as 6 slots Oblits.
Burn for brutes is awesome, the mobs keep burning just so close to you is awesome MUAHAHAHAHA!
I love it.
So other than Oblits, you would roll a brute with the same build? I may do that for fun down the line but naturally I am not going to delete this character for that reason.


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Protip: you'd get more help if you posted the data chunk.

Personally I'd focus more on recharge and +hp than regen on a fire aura toon (in my case defnse too but I see you're not worried about that), I'd ignore regen altogether because of healing flames. But I don't plan my builds around incarnate stuff so ymmv. I just thing you're getting too little recharge for all this investment.


 

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Protip: you'd get more help if you posted the data chunk.

Personally I'd focus more on recharge and +hp than regen on a fire aura toon (in my case defnse too but I see you're not worried about that), I'd ignore regen altogether because of healing flames. But I don't plan my builds around incarnate stuff so ymmv. I just thing you're getting too little recharge for all this investment.
Done.

Well, that is why I went Spiritual Core, and I typically use Cremate, Incinerate, Greater Fire Sword, Fire Sword Circle, and Burn without having much of a break. Oblits would give me a little more recharge so maybe I will go that route, although spending all those millions for 12~% recharge doesn't seem worth it to me. I would get the advantage of smashing vs lethal procs though.

I'm a proc lover obviously


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IMO you should state what you're looking after for this toon because you seem to be very satisfied with him already, or else I think (just my opinion) that you won't get more than the basic 'build for moar rech and defense' advice. The crazy /FA toons who solo hard stuff (usually SS/Fire Brutes) go for recharge and capping s/l def. My SS/Fire went only for recharge and fire def (for farms so I don't have to use many purple insps) but he does very well on TFs (solo on high settings too because he kills mobs so fast, but I never did crazy stuff like soloing AVs or TFs)

On the Burn thing, I don't think tentacles will help much because Burn only has a 8 feet radius, I have a scrapper with tentacles for the utility (and some AoE damage, dark/dark) and unless the mobs are already VERY close to each other it'd be hard to use it to leverage Burn like a Brute, where Burn is so good that I use it as a ST attack on bosses since they don't run away.


 

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I left it open intentionally, looking for advice, so hearing about building for far less damage and going for defense instead is something I expected but don't have a goal for.

Recharge makes sense - since I can become tougher just by being able to spam Healing Flames more often.

I suppose I could eliminate Scorch and go for Hasten and toss the other slots from it onto Build Up and Fiery Embrace.


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Update: I just respecced and got rid of Scorch, grabbed Hasten and gave it 3 slots, then gave another recharge to Build Up and Fiery Embrace, and put the 6th slot in CJ for LOTG recharge.


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Update: bought another Armageddon and changed one Scirrocco into an Oblit set and updated the OP.

When I get lucky and get the recharge secondary mutation, hasten has a 1 second downtime.


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Recharge makes sense - since I can become tougher just by being able to spam Healing Flames more often.

I suppose I could eliminate Scorch and go for Hasten and toss the other slots from it onto Build Up and Fiery Embrace.
This. I've played both a spines/fire and fire/fire scrapper to 50. Healing flames is what keeps them alive more then anything. So I slot for as much recharge as possible.


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Didn't want to mess with the build too much so I only upped a bit your recharge, regen, +HP, tweaked the FSC slotting and also switched the oblits to burn. Since I left BA with 4 slots I found room for some LoTGs. I'd put another proc in Incinerate instead of full hecatombs (I did take one out to get more regen in health).

You could also leave FE with 2 slots and get another 5% rech from consume if you don't mind having FE recharge 4s later outside Hasten.

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Didn't want to mess with the build too much so I only upped a bit your recharge, regen, +HP, tweaked the FSC slotting and also switched the oblits to burn. Since I left BA with 4 slots I found room for some LoTGs. I'd put another proc in Incinerate instead of full hecatombs (I did take one out to get more regen in health).

You could also leave FE with 2 slots and get another 5% rech from consume if you don't mind having FE recharge 4s later outside Hasten.

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Cool. Tough call for me on Blazing, because I planned on a second set of Obliteration - I would trade one slot of 7.5% recharge for added damage in Blazing, with the difference being 2.5% recharge since Oblit grants 5% recharge with 5 slots.

I could just grab that Regenerative Tissue and toss it into Health as-is, since my Spiritual Tier 4 Core makes up for the loss of a slot, but maybe I should just grab the Numinas and throw it in there. I don't run Maneuvers or Weave when running around, they are just there for the added kb, but yeah I like the added LOTGs so maybe I will go that route. I got kb when Warwalkers died in iTrials when I only had 8 pts of kb protection, thus Maneuvers/Weave/CJ. I do run CJ all the time.


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Ok I updated it - I didn't feel like doing yet another respec at the moment - I took some of your slotting ideas however for additional bonuses.


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Glad I could help, I myself have difficulty making FA toons when the goal is like 45% s/l def plus loads of recharge (always run out of slots) that's why I gave a shot on yours since you're not looking for that.

And yeah, about KB, the general consensus is that 8 points is 'useless' in the sense that in practice it won't protect you anymore than 4, so you either go for 4 or 12.

Oh you can up the recharge and acc in FSC without lowering damage by swapping the dmg IO for the triple, you'll still be damage capped on the power.

Also, if you took the third slot from FE and put the last endmod in consume, FE would recharge 3s slower but you'd have 5% more global recharge for the rest of your powers.

And while I doubt you're hurting for endurance, you could swap the res/recharge Aegis for a res/end Titanium Coating in your shields because the bonus from the 4th aegis is meh (debt protection) so you'll get more endred from the shields.

And (sorry I'm a recharge junkie) if you don't find much difference... You can slot SJ with a -KB since the BoTZ is cheapish now, and put another LoTg instead of one of the Karmas, that would make FE recharge almost the same as in your updated build with 2 slots.

Most FM top builds I saw used the purple set in Cremate but since I don't know about how to slot for the top attack chains I don't know the reason, my fm/sd has no purples.


 

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Oh you can up the recharge and acc in FSC without lowering damage by swapping the dmg IO for the triple, you'll still be damage capped on the power.

Also, if you took the third slot from FE and put the last endmod in consume, FE would recharge 3s slower but you'd have 5% more global recharge for the rest of your powers.

And while I doubt you're hurting for endurance, you could swap the res/recharge Aegis for a res/end Titanium Coating in your shields because the bonus from the 4th aegis is meh (debt protection) so you'll get more endred from the shields.

And (sorry I'm a recharge junkie) if you don't find much difference... You can slot SJ with a -KB since the BoTZ is cheapish now, and put another LoTg instead of one of the Karmas, that would make FE recharge almost the same as in your updated build with 2 slots.

Most FM top builds I saw used the purple set in Cremate but since I don't know about how to slot for the top attack chains I don't know the reason, my fm/sd has no purples.
Ooh I like the SJ idea quite a bit - I may do that. I put the Hecatomb in Incinerate simply because it's my favorite power of the set and I can keep proccing with other stuff while it works it's magic. It comes up really fast anyway now. Yeah I went for Aegis since I can get all the major resists within 4 slots and no I never hurt for end - it's rare I ever use Consume which is why I never bothered with Perf Shifter procs or anything like that. That's also the reason I took all but the end mod for Consume since it's the last thing I need. I fully plan on getting the Armageddon triple anyway even if I don't do yet another respec for those ideas - I have the money but figured I would wait until I sell another purple so that I can keep my billionaire status haha.

EDIT: I did those things - changed those 3 to the Titanium piece, grabbed the Blessing kb io, and tossed another LOTG in Weave. I will probably just grab the Armageddon recipe once I get enough dough to still hover above a billion.

Thanks so much for your help so far!


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