Jade_Warrior

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Really, something that has been mentioned in a couple of threads within the past week (just in passing), that is worthy of a thread of it's own.

The US forum.

Do we really need an EU forum as well? It's been mentioned that there is a lot of good information here, true, but then there is a lot of good information there too, and there are also more then one or two links from our pages over to the US boards.

We also have duplication of effort. Such as the Announcements, patch notes etc. This work could be reduced with a merging of the forums into one CoX forum, instead of the two seperate ones.

Now before people start throwing their toys out of their prams etc, I do agree that the EU version of the game would need it's own indivdual board (much has each server has it's own under the EU fourm).

Another reason why it might be a good idea could be that because the development team "seem" more active in the US boards therefore our suggestions for improvments to the game (large or small) may get the attention they deserve. Suggestions for improvments would be read and commented upon by a wider segment of the game players.

Personally - I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not.

Anyone for? Anyone against?

Anybody actually care? This is bait

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Luck has nothing to do with it tbh. But I agree with the huge budget and great marketing team.

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Speaking as someone who works in the world of online marketing I would disagree.

I would have thought I'd fit the profile of the type of person WOW would want to target, and yet I hardly ever seen there adverts.

So they either have a wierd market segment they are targetting, or they are using very low-tech marketing solutions.

Anyway - back to the topic - Challenge pls!

But according to another thread there is no problem with abuse on these fourms.

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Jade Warrior made a point I forgot to mention in my post but I did make it to Rockjaw during Omega-Con... there is almost no reason to exemp down other than teaming with a buddy. Debt is so meaningless that there's no reason for anyone to seek to work it off now.

I remember when as a newbie I'd regularly find a 50 in the Hollows teaming with us to work off his debt.

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This was also a good way for veteran players to pass on learning to newer players.

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Scarlet_Shocker: This may be somewhat controversial, but I suspect I'm not alone in this. I could be in a minority, I accept but I truly believe it's a significant one.

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From my own personal point of view - you are not in the minority. I have heard many people say similar things. Well done for raising this! It's about time someone said it, and I'm glad it's been raised now.

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Scarlet_Shocker: Defeat Debt has been so reduced as to be totally meaningless. It's pointless now, whereas when I first came to the game it was something to be avoided. I'm convinced that the fear of debt improved my game play. Now the biggest hassle isn't the debt, it's finding a way to avoid the trek back from the hospital and even that's made easy by fabrication of wakeys.

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How very very true. Without wishing to sound like an old man... I remember building up so much debt on my main in the 30/40 range that I had to beg to join a the Hollows to exmp to work it off. I strongly believe that debt should be restored to it's old levels. I think it's a sign that debt is not a problem when you can die at the mid point of a mission and the debt is cleared with the mission bonus.

Debt needs to be a challenge to players.


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Scarlet_Shocker: Time was, any enemy conning red would make even a good team pause and take stock. Now only the most dysfunctional teams fail to munch through purple mobs.

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Again very true, seems the team I join only like doing purples because they repersent something of a challenge, but not in my opinion enough of one.

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Scarlet_Shocker: So please Devs... give us back something to get our teeth into!

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Signed - please please please etc...

There must be a quick fix to this - purhaps reworking the stats (HP, DAM, RES, DEF etc) of the reds and purples?

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FloatingFatMan: The game has gotten WAY too easy over the last few issues. Can we have some challenge back please?

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Didn't think I'd be posting a comment like this anytime soon - but I agree!

I play a hero, I want to be heroic, fighting the forces of evil should be a challenge, I want to feel like Superman fighting Doomsday, or Batman fighting Bane. At the moment it feels like Jerry fighting Tom, I'm always going to win.

Please - power that be - if your reading this thread give us a real challenge, make it optional if you have too, as not to fighten then newer gamers, but some of us older vets want the challenge back in this wonderful game!

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You made zero point all i see is some one having a tantrum that i would normally associated with a 2 year old.

And who's this amazing chosen few i see loads of opinions on this forum every day i don't agree with them all but there still opinions and people still have them i fail to see where this great conspiracy that there's some elite group about here and that only they have a valid opinion if that was the case there would be no disagreements on here and i would have no one to argue with.

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Oh very good you've proved you can use the copy and paste functions now hows about instead of making a stupid post you post something constructive?

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meh.

deal with it.

I made my point. Only those chosen few are allowed to have an opinion.

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Oh very good you've proved you can use the copy and paste functions now hows about instead of making a stupid post you post something constructive?

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meh.

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Can I join the forum and get some respect for my opnion and experiance from you people now?

No.

Oh well.

Looks like the threads will contine.

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This has been argued about every week for the last six months. You pretty obviously are not a member of the forum community, or you would know that.

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Then doesn't that suggest that the issue needs to be looked at in detail?

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Please read thread before posting, not just first two or three posts.

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And if someone new comes in here and suggests it - lets not insult them.

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If they come here, don't bother looking at the forums and just post an idea which has been gone over so many times it got boring 6 months ago... and ignore the official statement saying their idea is not going to happen and post in the wrong forum anayway (this is a Suggestion), then telling them this seems fair.

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Wow - nothing better then having an idea, and then having to read 1000's of threads before posting.

And I can't recall anything official from the Dev team, only a message from the fourm mod (in threads & tacked on to a very old thread).

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It's about time this was looked at.


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They've looked at it, and they've made an official posting about it. Game population IS clearly more than good enough to sustain the servers, or the servers WOULD be merged. NC have shown they're more than willing to cut losses (Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa are good examples), and they even closed down the Korean CoH due to poor number; so the simple fact that they have stated there are no plans to merge should tell you that there is no NEED to merge.

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and yet everyweek someone new comes in here and asks the question.

No one new ever comes in here saying "lets keep the servers" it the same people who want to keep them that keep chanting "there is no server population problem". And its these same people who will end up being the death of the game.

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That's why the best method would be to open up a NEW third server and open active transfers from both server to this new one.

Then the active players have an equal chance to tranfer their chars to this NEW server and keep their names.


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Unacceptable. If I lose ANY of my character names, even if someone else had that name longer than me, I WILL leave. Many others feel exactly the same way. Your solution is not the best one by a LONG way.

The only acceptable solution is to permit more than one character of the same name, and I don't want any prefixes or suffixes or dots or underscores or anything else, either. My character name, exactly as it is now, or I find another game to play.

But I'm not worried, because as has been said, the official stance is that a server merge is NOT planned.

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Well - there's a reaons right there do the merge.

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This has been argued about every week for the last six months. You pretty obviously are not a member of the forum community, or you would know that.

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Then doesn't that suggest that the issue needs to be looked at in detail?

If players are leaving the game to come here and post then it suggested to me they've noticed something.

It's about time this was looked at.

And if someone new comes in here and suggests it - lets not insult them.

Doesn't really answer the question Praf.

A record of were each toon is offline must be recorded to allow for the DayJobs data to be recorded.

Therefore why can't this data be used to instance the base when a toon logs back in?

If I were an RP'er I'd find it annoying that I leave my "self" on duty in the base, only to find myself kicked out when I return.

Okay, i13 now rewards you if you log out in your SG base.

So...

Why can't we log on in our SG base instead for from where we last were prior to loggin out in the base?

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Given the time that was posted, it's probably just a case of needing to get the announcement translated before they post it up...

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This is exactly the case. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the issue, the Consignment Houses needed to be brought down with little notice. We weren't aware of this in the EU until this morning, and the messages are currently being localised for addition to an MotD.

The services should be back online by this evening. There should be no losses as a result of this temporary closure of the service, with all items put up for sale or storage, or received from purchase, still present when the service resumes.

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Okay - looks like I jumped the gun there a bit.

Apologies.

Thanks for the update GR.

**HUMOUR MODE ENGAGED**
ps. I know the yanks are foreign devils, and their grasp of the english language isn't all it should be, but "translated"?

Peachy... thanks.

Would have been nice to have something on the EU boards, maybe even on the MOTD.

Trying to use Wents - and nothing...

No items found for sale.
No items selling.
No items stored.
No slots.

Hmmmm. Me thinks there might be a problem.

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Really don't need another thread like this.

No thanks.

Servers are not that empty yet.

And if you perceive that they are there is nothing stopping you making the decision to move characters to Union, or restarting on the US servers.

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Do we need another thread? - Looks like it does it, people keep posting them. And while I will not start one I will have my say (if only to present a balanced view).

Anyway..not starting a flame war here - but I do want to point out what I see as the problems are with your reply.

It's far more then just "making the decision" - there are things to consider, such as:
1) Cost - forking out to transfer a toon or on a US account code
2) Toon name - often stated as the reason not to merge is also a reason here - why should I give up my chosen toon name just because I want to interact with more players?
3) Badges - I'm a bit of a badge hunter, and if I had to start again on a US server I would lose all my Vets and Annual badges

I make no bones about the fact I support a server merge - however I understand that there are/would be issues to be resolved. So, I ask the question:

IF (and yes it is a big if) all the issues around names (toon and sg) would people still object to playing on a greater populated server?

Hmm, yet another thread on server merge.. really can't be bovvered to go over it all again, so I'll just add this:

Why do people keep asking? There must be a reason, so ask yourself why.

oh well - I did invite him didn't I?

Thanks Dave - you've raised a lot of the same points I did in a thread ealier this year (which has since been wiped).

Without wising to go all X-Files on the topic - I don't think these figures are telling the true story (one way or the other) reguarding what we gamers refer to as / see as "server population".

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"But I will say that there are things coming, some of which we have been hinting at, or maybe even flat out denying was even possible, for a long time."

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Server Merge???

EU to US transfer???

1 server???

Maybe Moving Hair for GG???

Raising the level cap???

Saying things like that is one of the reasons I have very little faith or belief in anything we get told is not a problem, is not possible, or any variation of the above really

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Rule number one: "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

Rule number two: "There is no ... yada yada yada" - you get the idea

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I would like to ask a question - this:
How is it possible that these figures are correct and there not be a "population problem"?


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The answer to your question is really quite simple. NC have known about these figures FAR longer than we have, and yet the servers are STILL there, with (according to GR), no plans to change the status quo.

That simple statement tells us that the current server populations are still profitable. No company in its right mind will continue to run servers if its making a loss as servers are ridiculously expensive to run. NC have proven in the past that if numbers drop too low, they WILL shut servers down; CoH Korea is an example of that.

Of course, the current status COULD change in the future, but the current facts are clear. The servers are open, therefore the server population is viable.

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hmmm, might have missed the point here. When I referred to "population problem" I was referring to what some players see as a problem (ie server which at times have few players on).

I understand and agree with you that the Devs may not see a population problem because the servers are still profitable, however I learned a long time ago that what a business can see and a problem, and what their customers see as a problem are two different things.

Havings a profitable server is fine - however if players find a server too empty then they could lose interest in the game and leave. I think it's time that the devs held a consulation with the players to see what we think - not just those few that post here.

Oh dear...

Well these figures were always going to open up the whole "server population" debate, so I might as well get in now before this thread is locked as a subject not to be discussed.

I would like to ask a question - this:
How is it possible that these figures are correct and there not be a "population problem"?

I'm asking because I want to under where people are coming from.

There are those people out there who might say these figure prove what they've been saying for a long time. Myself? I'm one of them. I'm just suprised that Tuarus hasn't posted in here yet

While I am disappointed in the figures I hope that they act as a wake-up call to the powers that be. IF I were in charge I would look at the options to bring new players into the game, and I would also look at the servers themselves.