JackZodiac

According to Manticore, the Freedom Phalanx's Surviving Eight (which is a horribly morose name for a super group ) are Statesman, Positron, Synapese, Sister Psyche, Bastion, Manticore, Numina, and Back Alley Brawler. Woodsman is dead and the Regulators don't exist any more. Miss Liberty isn't in the Freedom Phalanx because she's Statesman's sidekick and leads two groups of her own, the Vindicators (her, Mynx, Valkyrie, Swan, Aurora, Infernal, and Lumina) and the new group that will be responsible for defending Paragon from the threats of the Rogue Isles, Longbow.

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yea seriously...

when will this whole gender bias thing stop already?

guys need shoulder kitties and girls need cigars!

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And heart boxers for all!

Can we get a pic of the Wolf Spider and Mystic helms? I wanna' know whether or not I should cancel my pre-order with GameStop.

Also, is there any way at all that the other three would become available later in the game, throug missions or whatnot?

"Fear not, young heroes! I, Fire Marshall Bill Burns, am here to teach you how to control these wild flames of cruel injustice!"

*throws a Super Soaker full of gasoline into the inferno, setting himself on fire*

"First and foremost, do not do that!"

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So....I wonder what will we be putting out the fire with....

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My stream of Justice. *zip*

Or, you could talk to the fire chief that shows up across the street from the fire and pick up a short-charge fire extinguisher to put out the flames.

Are we using Eighties power-speech?

Yo, G, lemme TAYAM (talk at ya' a minute).

I thought the Chief's name was Williams?

Doesn't that suck? The buildings aren't even in Steel Canyon yet and people are already lighting 'em on fire.

After the heroes of Paragon City were deprived of their power by Arachnos mystics, citizens who knew how needed the Freedom Phalanx were looked towards their one true natural hero, Manticore, and decided to take to arms by using standard hunting bows to keep their streets safe.

After the fire of Prometheus rekindled the lost powers of Paragon's heroes, the side-effects imbued normal humans with slight super powers as well as giving current super powered heroes slightly different powers.

After Recluse had been defeated, the technology heroes of Paragon helped the bands of citizens honorable enough to defend their city any way possible by developing trick arrows like Manticore's for their quivers.

There, that explains your natural archers as well as any other origins you wanna' squeeze in there, while letting you mix unlike power sets, like Archery/Fire or Electricity/Trick Arrow.

Have you ever tried playing an all-natural hero? Sprint and Swift are nice, and Hurdle helps, but damn is it a [censored]. I played my angry 5th Column loyalist through Striga like that and it was one of the toughest things I'd ever done in this game.

Isn't that how the Phalanx recruited Synapse?

Then truthfully, they'll never correct anything, just change it constantly. Like the Constitution, which was written in plain English a mere two hundred and thirty years ago, requires reinterpretation. And I would love to tell anyone in the Vatican they aren't required anymore.

But that's another thread, unfortunately for another message board.

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Look at the evolution of Egyptian thought over the millenia.

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And coincidentally, a lot of that lay on the Greeks.

One last time, you can't correct mythology. Stop trying to do it. You don't have any more credibility than a web site that's been around for a decade.

And before this goes any further, we were having a pretty decent conversation about mythology here. I know you probably didn't mean to, but you most likely couldn't help it; "correcting" people on their interpretations of mythology hasn't done much to garner yourself some respect as a buff in any way. Like I said, you probably didn't mean to do it, but in doing so I've lost the ability to take you seriously in this conversation. Copying and pasting paragraphs from Pantheon also didn't help. I'm sorry, "Darkie Boy".

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Ah, dear fellow, now here's the neat thing that a professionally-trained mythographer (anyone know of a professionally-trained mythographer who also does game design--Joe, John, Jack--Jack somethingorother, right?) might do if it amuses him. The Indo-European stratum makes up a great deal of the source material of Greek mythology. Now, one magico-mythical interpretation of variation among Indo-European cultures' mythologies is that an eidos, or its functional equivalent, is given specific expression within each culture. This "Campbellianist" interpretation would say that the Well of the Furies is the Urth's Well is Brigid's Cauldron, etc. However, steeped as they might have been in a bias towards Classicism, Statesman and Recluse "discovered" a specifically Greco-Roman "emanation" of the root eidos

Of course, that's the Campbellian interpretation, it's not the only possible way of looking at myth.

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Yeah, that's how a lot of us were looking at it before, Dog. At least, many of us were hoping Incarnate would be multi-cultural incarnations of deities. But there's so much Greek mythology rooted around it now (Zeus' power, Well of the Furies, guarded by Stheno) that I'm gonna' have to go with it being Greek in origin.

Why's it's on an island of the coast of Paragon City, I have no idea...

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Uranus was aghast by the sight of his offspring, the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires and was frightened of their great strength and power and feared for his own life so he hid them away in Tartarus (the bowels of the earth) inside Gaia, causing her intense pain. The discomfort became so great that she asked her youngest son, Cronus, to castrate his father, as this would cease his fertility and put an end to more monstrous offspring. To accomplish this deed Gaia made an adamantine sickle, which she gave to Cronus. That night Uranus came to lay with Gaia. And as the sky god drew close, Cronus struck with the sickle and cut off Uranus's genitals. From the blood that fell from the open wound were born the Giants and the Meliae (Nymphs of the manna ash trees)then when Cronus threw the severed genitals into the sea a white foam appeared. From this foam Aphrodite the goddess of love and desire was born.

It was after this that he used the sickle to then stab into the chest of the angered Uranus, and let loose the fatal blood across the Gaia. The blood which fell from the blow gave birth to the Erinyes (Furies), at which point Cronus realized what he had done and threw the sickle into the sea and the island of Corfu, home of the Phaeacians, sprang up.

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Oh! I see what you're doing!

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/u/uranus.html

See, I love mythology, and I'll admit that Pantheon is a great site to look around, but taking stuff directly from them and reconstituting it with the expression...

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Again, not trying to nitpick but I am a huge follower of greek history and mythology, so I sort of feel the need to clean up misconceptions.

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...is ridiculous and harmful to your reputation as a "mythology buff". Anyone who knows anything about mythology understands that the origin of any mythology that has roots before the birth of Christ and the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church can't be traced back to its original, unperverted source. The mere fact that you claim that the Furies were most definitely without a reasonable doubt males shows that you not only cannot take mythology at face value, but don't truly appreciate it if you're attempting to twist it into some kind of truth to seem more knowledgable on the matter.

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And the Furies are most commonly portrayed as women because of the common theme in all mythology of the "powerful female trinity" seen in the Moirae of Greek mythology, the Manant of Arabian mythology, and the three aspects of Brigid in Celtic mythology. The Greeks empowered females in their mythology with a role higher than just fertility and love. They were in charge of Fate and Justice.

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Again, this isn't quite correct. The greeks did empower women indeed, but it had nothing to do with celtic myths it moreso had to do with early christian delegations against certain ideas in writing.

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I didn't say that anything in Greek mythology had anything to do with Celtic mythology, but I was pointing out how many mythologies empower a trinity of women or goddesses such at the Furies and Fates. It's a common theme, just like the World Tree and the magical well that you can easily find in any Euro-Asian mythology.

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The legend is that the Furies roamed the earth dealing out justice among the earth and at one point came into a relentless pursuit of the Theban prince Orestes for the murder of his mother, Queen Clytemnestra. Orestes had been told by Apollo to find the killer of his father, King Agamemnon, whom Clytemnestra had murdered. The Furies, heedless of his motives, tormented him until Orestes pleaded to Athena, who persuaded the avenging goddesses accept Orestes' plea that he had been cleansed of his guilt. When they were thus to show mercy, their outer creature died and they clawed themselves out from the belly of the beasts and went from being the Furies of frightful appearance into the Eumenides, meaning "kind-hearted", the three beautiful woman.

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Ah, see, ya' did it again. Took me a minute to pinpoint exactly where I'd seen that paragraph before, but being interested in all mythologies I've been reading Pantheon for years.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/alecto.html

You're crossing a pretty weird line, Celtic.

Well, I liked Manticore a lot more when he was the Freedom Phalanx's "human" hero, and still kicked [censored] without having super powers. Why couldn't Prometheus have taught him kung-fu instead?

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REAL mythology

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There's no such thing as real mythology. There is no one perfect origin for any myth, which is why there are so many different accounts of a singular even. There are a couple of different accounts of Cronus battling his father, for instance.

In one version, Cronus didn't kill Uranus, he castrated him with a scythe Gaia made for him, which is what he uses in his second incarnation as Chronos. The blood created the Nymphs and Furies and his genitals created Aphrodite (in various alternate myths about her creation). And the Furies are most commonly portrayed as women because of the common theme in all mythology of the "powerful female trinity" seen in the Moirae of Greek mythology, the Manant of Arabian mythology, and the three aspects of Brigid in Celtic mythology. The Greeks empowered females in their mythology with a role higher than just fertility and love. They were in charge of Fate and Justice.

The hot air from a point blank gun shot wound doesn't do any more damage to a person than the gun shot itself. Being closer to your target with a handgun increases the chance of the impact of the bullet shattering bone instead of piercing the skin and muscle without passing the bone.

I don't know if that's the same with arrows.

Well, they were only [censored] toward people who deserved it.

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Monica Richter.

Richter... having to do with seismic activity.

Faultline?

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Rcichter, Richter... Andy Richter, the lovably pudgy sidekick to Conan O'Brien? Awesome, Lord Recluse is Andy Richter's father!

See? That's what happens when you play connect the dots with just one dot.

No, I think that charging it as the Well of the Furies pretty much denies all but Greek mythology. It being guarded by a Gorgon only further cements the idea that the well is Greek in mythos, and not an omni-mythological source of power. At least, probably not.

So that means Recluse is, most likely, an incarnation of another Greek god (or goddess possibly).

His team respects him like the JLA respects Batman. He's an [censored], but he gets the job done.

The reason he can teleport now, and subsequently teleport his arrows through people, is because Prometheus' fire gave him special powers. Just like it gave Positron an energy blast attack.

Um...there... is no Forum Cartel?

Yep, just 5000 more to go.