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The reason you are seeing it in the first place is because of Auto Assault. They calculate their rewards based on paid time.

However - we will be basing ours on played time (beta doesn't count tho yo).


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Let me get this straight...

So, if a Friend and I both had our own accounts since CoH Day 1, never lapsed on a renewal, always had an active account...

I've played... 5000 hours, he's played 1000 (arbitrary numbers), but we've paid for the same amount of time... I would receive more Vet rewards than him?



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I was just wondering the same....if so that s bullsh%&. So our money is good enough to take but not good enough to get the full benefits. Sorry some of us have real life things going on and dont have all freaking day to play your game...but hey..our money is good enough...this is so f d up. This is got to be the stupidest move by you guys yet............

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UnBunch Thy Panties. It's LENGTH of Time, not Total Hours Played. That's why it's measured in Months, not HOURS.

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The reason you are seeing it in the first place is because of Auto Assault. They calculate their rewards based on paid time.

However - we will be basing ours on played time (beta doesn't count tho yo).


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Let me get this straight...

So, if a Friend and I both had our own accounts since CoH Day 1, never lapsed on a renewal, always had an active account...

I've played... 5000 hours, he's played 1000 (arbitrary numbers), but we've paid for the same amount of time... I would receive more Vet rewards than him?



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No. You have both been playing for the same LENGTH of time. It's LENGTH of time, not Total Hours Played.

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The Devs have already said it includes 'free' months. Why are we still talking about this?

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Because the Forums are in DoooomCon 3 right now, and that includes, I believe, 'some rampant speculation about things in the future that may or may not affect anyone at all but people still want something to post about'.

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Oh, not agonizing. Just theorizing.

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"..it's almost pointless to discuss...but I'm still wigged out over it."

Wigging = Theorizing?

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The prestige was added to the supergroup. It won't show up under each character's row in the SG window.

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That makes much more sense.

Also, I should sleep before I read things, or something.

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Sleep? That's a waste of play time. Something to do at work I suppose.

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Work? That when I read the Forums. ;-)

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I bet you if the Devs take away Gauntlet but still leave the Gauntlet icon on...no one would be able to tell that it's gone.

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Wow. That's just woefully untrue. Tanks got a massive increase when they got punchvoke.

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In my opinion, Gauntlet suffers from 'Green Number Syndrome'. People can't visibly measure it's effect, so of course that means it is not useful - the same way so many measure the contribution of a "Healer" vs that of the other Support AT's.

It's there for them if they really want it. There's just that one little requirement..

I would like to add a "Woot!", with the subcategory of 'Finally..'

Thanks!

*Updating as I find out more*

Uplink_OoT did a great job a while back, compiling a list of Hamidon Enhancements. What I'd like to do is put together a list of which powers the more 'Exotic' HO's can help. I want to be able to tell people "'X' HO affects these powers ...". Help fill in the list with whatever you can.

Easy ones:
Nucleolus Exposure - Damage and Accuracy:
-Too many to list. If you don’t know what can use this, you shouldn’t have bought the account. ;-)

Centriole Exposure - Damage and Range:
-See above. (Note - the range portion of some melee attacks cannot be increased, even though they may affect a larger than normal range. Be sure the power normally accepts Range + Damage enhancements before slotting this)

Ribosome Exposure - Increase Damage Resistance and Endurance Reduction:
-All – Power Pools – Tough
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Temporary Invulnerability, Force of Nature
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Fire Shield
-APP - Controller - Fire Mastery – Fire Shield
-Defender/Controller – EPP - Psychic Mastery (Defender) - Mind Over Body
-Defender/Controller - Kinetics - Increase Density
-Defender/Controller - Sonic Resonance - Sonic Barrier, Sonic Haven, Sonic Dispersion
-Defender/Controller - Storm - Steamy Mist
-Defender – Dark - Shadowfall
-Peacebringer - Luminous Aura - Shining Shield, Thermal Shield, Quantum Shield, White Dwarf (does not cost much End, might be a waste), Light Form
-Scrapper – Dark Armor – Murky Cloud, Obsidian Shield, Dark Embrace
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Temporary Invulnerability, Unyielding, Unstoppable
-Tank – Stone Armor – Brimstone Armor, Granite Armor
-Warshade Secondary – Gravity Shield, Twilight Shield, Penumbral Shield, Umbral Aura, Black Dwarf (does not cost much End, might be a waste)


Microfilament Exposure – Travel Speed Increase (Run, Fly, and Jump) plus Endurance Reduction:
-All - Power Pools - Hover (Takes minimal end), Flight, Group Flight
-All - Power Pools - Speed, Super Speed
-All - Power Pools - Leaping, Combat Jump (Takes minimal End), Super Leap
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic - Speed Boost
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic Inertial Reduction
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic - Siphon Speed (bonus -speed/recharge debuff on opponent)
-Peacebringer – White Dwarf (Probably not the best place to put these, Dwarf has something akin to Combat Jumping) , Quantum Flight (There are reports that Q-Fly is already at the Fly Speed cap, in which case this enhancement would be useless) , Nova, Group Energy Flight
-Peacebringer Inherent powers - Energy Flight, Combat Flight
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Elude – Not optimal slotting, but can use this.
-Warshade Primary - Umbral Blast - Dark Nova (Probably not worth slotting Fly)
-Warshade Secondary – Black Dwarf (Probably not worth slotting for this)


Golgi Exposure - Heal and Endurance Reduction:
-Anyone with a Medicine power pool Heal,
-Anyone with a 'heal self' power (Tanks/scrappers, PB, WS)
-Defenders/Controllers with a Heal power (Radiant aura, Twilight grasp, etc.)
-Peacebringer - Glowing Touch, Essence Boost, Reform Essence
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Dark Regeneration, Siphon Life
-Scrapper – Regen – Reconstruction, Dull Pain, Integration, Instant Healing
-Tank – Ice Armor – Hoarfrost
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Dull Pain
-Tank – Stone Armor – Rooted, Earth’s Embrace
-Warshade – Essence Drain, Stygian Circle


Peroxisome Exposure - Damage and Mez: (ie: Hold, sleep, stun, etc .. but NOT knockback)
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Char (Damage barely noticeable, not preferred slotting)
-APP – Scrapper – Darkness Mastery – Tenebrous Tentacles
-Blasters/Tankers – Energy Melee - Total Focus, Bone Smasher, Energy Punch
-Blaster – Ice - freeze ray, bitter freeze ray (*damage is insignificant on freeze ray. Mez hami-os will not increase chance to stun, and will not increase mags of attacks in energy punch.)
-Controller – Ice Control – Jack Frost
-Controller – Gravity Control - Singularity
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Blind
-Controllers – Mind Control – Mesmerize
-Defender – Dark Blast – Tenebrous Tentacles
-Defender - Radiation Blast – Cosmic Burst
-Defender – Psychic Blast - Subdue (Immobilize), Will Domination (sleep), Scramble Thoughts (disorient), Psychic Wail (disorient)
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning - Tornado
-Scrapper – Martial Arts - Thunder Kick (Disorient), Cobra Strike (Disorient, but not really worth using because CS damage is so low), Crippling Axe Kick (Immobilize), Eagle's Claw (Disorient)
-Tank – Energy Melee – Energy Transfer, Barrage
-Tank – Super Strength – Knockout Blow
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Pulsar, Incandescent Strike
-Warshade – Gravimetric Snare, Gravity Well, Gravity Emanation (Damage is low for this one, so not considered ‘optimal’)


Endoplasm Exposure - Accuracy and Mez: (ie: Hold, sleep, stun, etc, but NOT knockback)
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Char
-Blaster/Defender – Electrical Blast – Tesla Cage
-Blasters/Tankers – Energy Melee - Total Focus, Bone Smasher, Energy Punch
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Blind, Flash, Deceive, Spectral Terror
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning - Thunderclap
-Defender/Controller - Radiation Emission - EM Pulse
-Defender – Dark – Fearsome Stare, Dark Servant, Petrifying Gaze
-Defender – Psychic Blast - Subdue (Immobilize), Will Domination (sleep), Scramble Thoughts (disorient), Psychic Wail (disorient)
-Defender - Radiation Blast – Cosmic Burst
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Pulsar, Incandescent Strike
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear, Oppressive Gloom, Touch of Fear
-Scrapper – Martial Arts - Thunder Kick (Disorient), Cobra Strike (Disorient), Crippling Axe Kick (Immobilize), Eagle's Claw (Disorient)
-Tank – Energy Melee – Energy Transfer, Barrage
-Tank – Super Strength – Knockout Blow
-Warshade – Gravimetric Snare, Gravity Well, Gravity Emanation, Inky Aspect


These next few can be tricky, and are the ones that need the most 'help'. Some might be GREAT for a few powers, but helpful in some that share two of the aspects of the HO. These are the ones MOST in use of some definition.


Lysosome Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Debuffs, and Increases Accuracy:
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) - Laser Beam Eyes – Accuracy, Def Debuff
-Blaster - Devices - Smoke Grenade – Acc + To Hit Debuff
-Blaster – Assault Rifle – Burst - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions
-Controller - Earth Control – Earthquake - can use the ToHit + Def Debuff Portions (Some say this is not ‘optimal slotting’ – that’s for you to decide.)
-Controller - Fire Control – Smoke
-Controller - Mind Control – Terrify
-Defender - Dark - Twilight Grasp, Fearsome Stare and Dark Servant (acc + To hit Debuff)
-Defender - Dark Blast – All powers except Dark Pit – Accuracy + Tohit Debuff
-Defender - Radiation Blast - Neutrino Bolt, X-ray Beam, Irradiate, Electron Haze, Proton Volley, Cosmic Burst, Neutron Bomb, Atomic Blast
-Defender/Controller - Radiation Emission - Radiation Infection (uses 2 of 3)
-Defender/Controller – Sonic - Liquefy
-Defender/Control - Storm - Freezing rain - ACC and foe –DEF
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Flash Arrow - tohit debuff, accuracy
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Acid Arrow - defense debuff, accuracy
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Gleaming Bolt, Glinting Eye, Gleaming Blast, Radiant Strike, Proton Scatter, Luminous Detonation, Incandescent Strike, Solar Flare, Photon Seekers, Dawn Strike, Nova/Dwarf Inherent attacks (Def Debuff is not large, but if you are slotting for Accuracy, you can use this in its place for some additional benefit)
-Scrapper - Broadsword – All attacks except Parry - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions (Note - even Parry can use it, until they decide to fix the Buff/Debuff Enhancement issue)
-Scrapper – Dark Melee – Nearly all attacks can use +ACC and foe –ACC
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear (Though Endoplasm and Enzymes are the preferred options)
-Scrapper - Katana – Sting of the Wasp, Gambler's Cut, Flashing Steel, The Lotus Drops, Soaring Dragon, Golden Dragonfly - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions


Enzyme Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Debuffs, and Endurance Reduction:
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) - Laser Beam Eyes – End Red, Def Debuff
-Controller - Earth Control – Quicksand
-Controller - Fire Control – Smoke
-Controller - Illusion Control – Spectral Terror
-Controller – Mind Control – Terrify
-Defender - Radiation Blast - Irradiate, Neutron Bomb,
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude* (*note - this could change someday if the Devs alter how buff/Debuff HO's are working)
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble (under current bugged system only)
-Defender/Controller – Radiation Emission - Radiation Infection (uses all 3)
-Defender/Controller – Sonic - Liquefy (-DEF, -ACC, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Freezing rain - (-DEF, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Hurricane - (-ACC, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Tornado - (–DEF, END redux)
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Flash Arrow (tohit debuff, end reduction),
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Acid Arrow (defense debuff, end reduction),
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Oil Slick Arrow (defense debuff, end reduction)
-Defender - Dark - Darkest Night (ToHit Debuff + End Reduc), Dark Servant
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Gleaming Bolt, Glinting Eye, Gleaming Blast, Radiant Strike, Proton Scatter, Luminous Detonation, Incandescent Strike, Solar Flare, Photon Seekers, Dawn Strike, Nova/Dwarf Inherent attacks (Def Debuff is not large, but if you are slotting for Recharge, you can use this in its place for some additional benefit)
-Scrapper - Broadsword – All attacks except Parry - can use the End Reduction + Def Debuff Portions (Note - even Parry can use it, until they decide to fix the Buff/Debuff Enhancement issue)
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear
-Scrapper - Katana – Sting of the Wasp, Gambler's Cut, Flashing Steel, The Lotus Drops, Soaring Dragon, Golden Dragonfly - can use the End Reduc + Def Debuff Portions



Membrane Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Increase Attack Rate:
-Any Aim/Buildup type power
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Vengeance (uses all 3? Though I know you can't put Recharge reducers in it normally, so it probably just uses the first 2 parts)
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) – Focused Accuracy - To hit buff and Recharge Reduc
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Personal Force Field
-Controller - Illusion Control - Superior Invisibility, Group Invisibility - Def buff, Recharge Reducer
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble (note, some of these have very fast recharge times already, not Optimal)
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Soul Drain
-Scrapper - Dark Armor – Cloak of Darkness (not recommended slotting, but can use 2 aspects)
-Scrapper - Katana – Divine Avalanche - Def Buff and Increase attack rate
-Scrapper – Martial Arts – Focus Chi – ToHit buff and Increase attack rate
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Elude – Def Buff and Attack rate increase
-Tank – Ice Armor – Energy Absorption (Defense, Increase attack rate) , Frozen Armor and Glacial Armor (Though very few people ever slot these for recharge, so this would not be the best choice)
-Tank – Super Strength - Rage - uses ToHit buff and Recharge rate.
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Invincibility (not optimal slotting, but can use)
-Warshade Secondary - Umbral Aura - Shadow Cloak


Cytoskeleton Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Endurance Reduction:
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Maneuvers (uses 2 of 3)
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Tactics (uses 2 of 3)
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Vengeance (uses all 3? Can you put End cost reduction in it?)
-All - Power Pools – Leaping – Combat Jumping (Not Recommended, but possible)
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) – Focused Accuracy ToHit buff, End Reduc
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Personal Force Field
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Superior Invisibility, Group Invisibility
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude – Uses all 3
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning – Steamy Mist (Defense bonus is small, but can be enhanced)
-Defender - Dark - Shadowfall – Def Buff, End Red
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast - Build up (not as useful as Membrane, but can be used here) , Bright Nova (Nova doesn't cost much, but if you have these and are slotting for ToHit anyway, you might as well reduce it even more) , Combat Flight (Though the End usage is so low this may be a waste of a Hami-O, depends on your specific usage and build, though)
-Scrapper - Dark Armor – Cloak of Darkness (not recommended slotting, but can use 2 aspects)
-Scrapper - Katana – Divine Avalanche - Def Buff and End Reduc
-Scrapper – Martial Arts – Focus Chi – ToHit buff and End Reduc (Not optimal slotting, though, as power is not high in End usage)
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Focused Fighting, Focused senses – Def Buff, End Red
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Evasion – Def Buff, End Red
-Tank/Scrapper - Invulnerability - Invincibility (uses all 3)
-Tank – Earth Armor - Rock Armor, Crystal Armor, Minerals, Granite Armor (all def buff/end red)
-Tank – Ice Armor – Frozen Armor, Glacial Armor (Def Buff, End Reduc)
-Warshade Primary - Umbral Blast - Dark Nova Bright Nova (Nova doesn't cost much, but if you have these and are slotting for ToHit anyway, you might as well reduce it even more.)
-Warshade Secondary - Umbral Aura - Shadow Cloak (does not use much end, slotting this is your decision)


Thanks go to: Uplink_OoT, Dianeces, Hob_Healer, Luminara, MrQuizzles, Predicant, Stirge, Raye_Gunn, Local_Man, VoodooCompany, Quantum_Shield, Sockem, MrEMan, Polarpanda, Snow_Globe, StarGeek, Enantiodromos, anachrodragon, Ice_Ember, Hell_Scorpion, Kaltor, Boria, iloveU99x

Removed:
-Defender/Control - Storm - Hurricane - ACC and foe -ACC
-Defender/Control - Storm - Tornado - ACC and foe – DEF
(Powers are Autohit in PvE. Are they Autohit in PvP? Do I need to put them back in as PvP slotting only?)

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-Defender/Controller – Sonic - Liquefy (-DEF, END redux)

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Quibble point.

Liquefy is (-Def, -Acc, Hold, Knockdown)

So with Enzymes the benefit should be (-Def, -Acc, End Redux).

Also the hold component does require a to-hit check so Lysosomes could also be quite usefull. (-Def, -Acc, +ToHit)(However the format works.)

Makes both enhancements quite good for Liquefy since the power actually uses all components.

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Quibble duly noted - and Liquefy is already listed under both HO types.

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It's not the use of the word "nerf" that anyone gives a rat's [censored] about, it's the actual changes that swirl the playerbase into a frenzy.

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I think it's more accurate to say:

"...it's any actual changes that swirl the playerbase into a frenzy. "

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Well, after a few radiation defender-playing people got all swirled into a tizzy over tar patch having a -res debuff, you might be right...

Then again, there weren't many frenzies after armor stacking was added, after Dark Miasma got its needed boost, and so on.

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No - those were just 'Good' Frenzies - you know, of 'Excitement'. :-)

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You all will get emails on it monday. It is happening.

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Poo. I'll still be in San Diego. Oh well .. at least the con will be fun, right?

*sigh*

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Is this going to raise the amount of xp that you'll need to gain to lvl your alts?

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Well, that would defeat the entire purpose of giving out the extra XP - so ... No.

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It's not the use of the word "nerf" that anyone gives a rat's [censored] about, it's the actual changes that swirl the playerbase into a frenzy.

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I think it's more accurate to say:

"...it's any actual changes that swirl the playerbase into a frenzy. "

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Rumors and lies!

There were so many problems with exploits that the devs regularly remove elements from the game that allow unbalanced XP gain. Remember the Winter Lord fiasco?

I think the announcement applies to the test server.

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And you'd be right.

The announcement on our forum.

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Um, you'd be wrong.

The announcement from CuppaJoe is for this weekend for the test server, but the (unofficial) announcement for the live server is for the weekend of the 21st...

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/42894

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Dangit .. I almost hope it's not true .. I'll be at the Comic-con all that weekend. I will miss every last second of it. ;-)

Edit: And I see I'm not alone.. ;-)

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It pretty much has to do with the whole Nerf concept. A nerf anything is weaker than it's Real Life equivalent. Think about a real sword vs a Nerf one. It used to mean that a power or ability was reduced to uselessness, but as all terms used on the internet, it's meaning has been broadened to include any reduction no matter how insignificant.

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Even broader - I've seen the term used even when a power was getting strengthened - called a "Good Nerf" or a "Positive Nerf".

It's become synonymous with the word 'change' now.

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I have never seen the word nerf to referr to anything that is a buff. Most of the time something is change to become better it is usually referred to as being buffed or boosted or something else but never "nerfed".

Nerf in general as far as I have experienced means less. Not "change". Maybe changed to become less but never just change.

I don't think any real gamers out there would ever call their powers/loot "nerfed" if it got a boost.

You know we the player base would never call anything nerfed again if they would simply stop nerfing stuff. Hence the end of negative stigma.

I would personally rather get everything else boosted than singling someting out and nerfing it. This way we can feel "super" again and not just garden variety hero.

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We both agree that that it should NOT mean 'change'. But, nevertheless, I have seen it used that way - here on these very boards. Wheter you consider them "real" gamers or not, I have seen more than one person use it that way. I try to get them to not do it, but it's become seciond nature to some people - any "change" is a "nerf".

I disagree with you though, that they should "boost all other powers instead of 'fixing' one or two.

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Ahm...

My post? Up there? Ignore it. Apparently I am not "down with the street," as it were.

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Nah - I just hit 'reply' before reading everything .. You are still "Down With The Street", my good man.

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It pretty much has to do with the whole Nerf concept. A nerf anything is weaker than it's Real Life equivalent. Think about a real sword vs a Nerf one. It used to mean that a power or ability was reduced to uselessness, but as all terms used on the internet, it's meaning has been broadened to include any reduction no matter how insignificant.

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Even broader - I've seen the term used even when a power was getting strengthened - called a "Good Nerf" or a "Positive Nerf".

It's become synonymous with the word 'change' now.

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There are a huge number of controller powers that need to be added to Peroxisome and Endoplasm. Most sets have a single target immobilize that does damage and needs accuracy. Most sets have a single target hold that can use both. Many of the sets have an AoE immobilize that does some damage and definitely needs accuracy (most have a -20% acc penalty). Some sets have an AoE hold that need accuracy, and may do some damage.

For example, you need to add under both: Stone Prison, Fossilize, Stone Cages and Stalagmites from Earth Control, and Ring of Fire, Char, Fire Cages and Flashfire from Fire Control. Those are off the top of my head, but there are others as well.

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I asked the Controller Forum for their Input, and did not get many replies - and since I don't have all those AT's, I can't contribute any information.

Personally, I'm not incredibly concerned with the Acc/mez or Dama/mez enhancers, unless they are things people might not know about. I've listed what has been provided - but I'll have to count on Generic Game Knowledge to fill in what hasn't been provided.

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I don't have time now, but I will try to take a look later.

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Hmm .. I have Quicksand, and I thought that I had Defense Debuffs slotted in it. I will confirm that tonight

*Updating as I find out more*

Uplink_OoT did a great job a while back, compiling a list of Hamidon Enhancements.
What I'd like to do is put together a list of which powers the more 'Exotic' HO's can help. I want to be able to tell people "'X' HO affects these powers ...". Help fill in the list with whatever you can.

Easy ones:
Nucleolus Exposure - Damage and Accuracy:
-Too many to list. If you don’t know what can use this, you shouldn’t have bought the account. ;-)

Centriole Exposure - Damage and Range:
-See above. (Note - the range portion of some melee attacks cannot be increased, even though they may affect a larger than normal range. Be sure the power normally accepts Range + Damage enhancements before slotting this)

Ribosome Exposure - Increase Damage Resistance and Endurance Reduction:
-All – Power Pools – Tough
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Temporary Invulnerability, Force of Nature
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Fire Shield
-Defender/Controller – EPP - Psychic Mastery (Defender) - Mind Over Body
-Defender/Controller - Kinetics - Increase Density
-Defender/Controller - Sonic Resonance - Sonic Barrier, Sonic Haven, Sonic Dispersion
-Defender/Controller - Storm - Steamy Mist
-Defender – Dark - Shadowfall
-Peacebringer - Luminous Aura - Shining Shield, Thermal Shield, Quantum Shield, White Dwarf (does not cost much End, might be a waste), Light Form
-Scrapper – Dark Armor – Murky Cloud, Obsidian Shield, Dark Embrace
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Temporary Invulnerability, Unyielding, Unstoppable
-Tank – Stone Armor – Brimstone Armor, Granite Armor
-Warshade Secondary – Gravity Shield, Twilight Shield, Penumbral Shield, Umbral Aura, Black Dwarf (does not cost much End, might be a waste)


Microfilament Exposure – Travel Speed Increase (Run, Fly, and Jump) plus Endurance Reduction:
-All - Power Pools - Hover (Takes minimal end), Flight, Group Flight
-All - Power Pools - Speed, Super Speed
-All - Power Pools - Leaping, Combat Jump (Takes minimal End), Super Leap
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic - Speed Boost
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic Inertial Reduction
-Defender/Controller - Kinetic - Siphon Speed (bonus -speed/recharge debuff on opponent)
-Peacebringer – White Dwarf (Probably not the best place to put these, Dwarf has something akin to Combat Jumping) , Quantum Flight (There are reports that Q-Fly is already at the Fly Speed cap, in which case this enhancement would be useless) , Nova, Group Energy Flight
-Peacebringer Inherent powers - Energy Flight, Combat Flight
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Elude – Not optimal slotting, but can use this.
-Warshade Primary - Umbral Blast - Dark Nova (Probably not worth slotting Fly)
-Warshade Secondary – Black Dwarf (Probably not worth slotting for this)


Golgi Exposure - Heal and Endurance Reduction:
-Anyone with a Medicine power pool Heal,
-Anyone with a 'heal self' power (Tanks/scrappers, PB, WS)
-Defenders/Controllers with a Heal power (Radiant aura, Twilight grasp, etc.)
-Peacebringer - Glowing Touch, Essence Boost, Reform Essence
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Dark Regeneration, Siphon Life
-Scrapper – Regen – Reconstruction, Dull Pain, Integration, Instant Healing
-Tank – Ice Armor – Hoarfrost
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Dull Pain
-Tank – Stone Armor – Rooted, Earth’s Embrace
-Warshade – Essence Drain, Stygian Circle


Peroxisome Exposure - Damage and Mez: (ie: Hold, sleep, stun, etc .. but NOT knockback)
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Char (Damage barely noticeable, not preferred slotting)
-APP – Scrapper – Darkness Mastery – Tenebrous Tentacles
-Blasters/Tankers – Energy Melee - Total Focus, Bone Smasher, Energy Punch
-Blaster – Ice - freeze ray, bitter freeze ray (*damage is insignificant on freeze ray. Mez hami-os will not increase chance to stun, and will not increase mags of attacks in energy punch.)
-Controller – Ice Control – Jack Frost
-Controller – Gravity Control - Singularity
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Blind
-Controllers – Mind Control – Mesmerize
-Defender – Dark Blast – Tenebrous Tentacles
-Defender - Radiation Blast – Cosmic Burst
-Defender – Psychic Blast - Subdue (Immobilize), Will Domination (sleep), Scramble Thoughts (disorient), Psychic Wail (disorient)
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning - Tornado
-Scrapper – Martial Arts - Thunder Kick (Disorient), Cobra Strike (Disorient, but not really worth using because CS damage is so low), Crippling Axe Kick (Immobilize), Eagle's Claw (Disorient)
-Tank – Energy Melee – Energy Transfer, Barrage
-Tank – Super Strength – Knockout Blow
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Pulsar, Incandescent Strike
-Warshade – Gravimetric Snare, Gravity Well, Gravity Emanation (Damage is low for this one, so not considered ‘optimal’)


Endoplasm Exposure - Accuracy and Mez: (ie: Hold, sleep, stun, etc, but NOT knockback)
-APP - Blaster - Fire Mastery – Char
-Blaster/Defender – Electrical Blast – Tesla Cage
-Blasters/Tankers – Energy Melee - Total Focus, Bone Smasher, Energy Punch
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Blind, Flash, Deceive, Spectral Terror
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning - Thunderclap
-Defender/Controller - Radiation Emission - EM Pulse
-Defender – Dark – Fearsome Stare, Dark Servant, Petrifying Gaze
-Defender – Psychic Blast - Subdue (Immobilize), Will Domination (sleep), Scramble Thoughts (disorient), Psychic Wail (disorient)
-Defender - Radiation Blast – Cosmic Burst
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Pulsar, Incandescent Strike
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear, Oppressive Gloom, Touch of Fear
-Scrapper – Martial Arts - Thunder Kick (Disorient), Cobra Strike (Disorient), Crippling Axe Kick (Immobilize), Eagle's Claw (Disorient)
-Tank – Energy Melee – Energy Transfer, Barrage
-Tank – Super Strength – Knockout Blow
-Warshade – Gravimetric Snare, Gravity Well, Gravity Emanation, Inky Aspect


These next few can be tricky, and are the ones that need the most 'help'. Some might be GREAT for a few powers, but helpful in some that share two of the aspects of the HO. These are the ones MOST in use of some definition.


Lysosome Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Debuffs, and Increases Accuracy:
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) - Laser Beam Eyes – Accuracy, Def Debuff
-Blaster - Devices - Smoke Grenade – Acc + To Hit Debuff
-Blaster – Assault Rifle – Burst - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions
-Controller - Earth Control – Earthquake - can use the ToHit + Def Debuff Portions (Some say this is not ‘optimal slotting’ – that’s for you to decide.)
-Controller - Fire Control – Smoke
-Controller - Mind Control – Terrify
-Defender - Dark - Twilight Grasp, Fearsome Stare and Dark Servant (acc + To hit Debuff)
-Defender - Dark Blast – All powers except Dark Pit – Accuracy + Tohit Debuff
-Defender - Radiation Blast - Neutrino Bolt, X-ray Beam, Irradiate, Electron Haze, Proton Volley, Cosmic Burst, Neutron Bomb, Atomic Blast
-Defender/Controller - Radiation Emission - Radiation Infection (uses 2 of 3)
-Defender/Controller – Sonic - Liquefy
-Defender/Control - Storm - Freezing rain - ACC and foe –DEF
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Flash Arrow - tohit debuff, accuracy
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Acid Arrow - defense debuff, accuracy
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Gleaming Bolt, Glinting Eye, Gleaming Blast, Radiant Strike, Proton Scatter, Luminous Detonation, Incandescent Strike, Solar Flare, Photon Seekers, Dawn Strike, Nova/Dwarf Inherent attacks (Def Debuff is not large, but if you are slotting for Accuracy, you can use this in its place for some additional benefit)
-Scrapper - Broadsword – All attacks except Parry - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions (Note - even Parry can use it, until they decide to fix the Buff/Debuff Enhancement issue)
-Scrapper – Dark Melee – Nearly all attacks can use +ACC and foe –ACC
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear (Though Endoplasm and Enzymes are the preferred options)
-Scrapper - Katana – Sting of the Wasp, Gambler's Cut, Flashing Steel, The Lotus Drops, Soaring Dragon, Golden Dragonfly - can use the Acc + Def Debuff Portions


Enzyme Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Debuffs, and Endurance Reduction:
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) - Laser Beam Eyes – End Red, Def Debuff
-Controller - Earth Control – Quicksand
-Controller - Fire Control – Smoke
-Controller - Illusion Control – Spectral Terror
-Controller – Mind Control – Terrify
-Defender - Radiation Blast - Irradiate, Neutron Bomb,
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude* (*note - this could change someday if the Devs alter how buff/Debuff HO's are working)
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble (under current bugged system only)
-Defender/Controller – Radiation Emission - Radiation Infection (uses all 3)
-Defender/Controller – Sonic - Liquefy (-DEF, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Freezing rain - (-DEF, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Hurricane - (-ACC, END redux)
-Defender/Control - Storm - Tornado - (–DEF, END redux)
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Flash Arrow (tohit debuff, end reduction),
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Acid Arrow (defense debuff, end reduction),
-Defender/Controller - Trick Arrow - Oil Slick Arrow (defense debuff, end reduction)
-Defender - Dark - Darkest Night (ToHit Debuff + End Reduc), Dark Servant
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast – Gleaming Bolt, Glinting Eye, Gleaming Blast, Radiant Strike, Proton Scatter, Luminous Detonation, Incandescent Strike, Solar Flare, Photon Seekers, Dawn Strike, Nova/Dwarf Inherent attacks (Def Debuff is not large, but if you are slotting for Recharge, you can use this in its place for some additional benefit)
-Scrapper - Broadsword – All attacks except Parry - can use the End Reduction + Def Debuff Portions (Note - even Parry can use it, until they decide to fix the Buff/Debuff Enhancement issue)
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear
-Scrapper - Katana – Sting of the Wasp, Gambler's Cut, Flashing Steel, The Lotus Drops, Soaring Dragon, Golden Dragonfly - can use the End Reduc + Def Debuff Portions



Membrane Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Increase Attack Rate:
-Any Aim/Buildup type power
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Vengeance (uses all 3? Though I know you can't put Recharge reducers in it normally, so it probably just uses the first 2 parts)
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) – Focused Accuracy - To hit buff and Recharge Reduc
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Personal Force Field
-Controller - Illusion Control - Superior Invisibility, Group Invisibility - Def buff, Recharge Reducer
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble (note, some of these have very fast recharge times already, not Optimal)
-Scrapper Dark Melee/Dark Armor - Soul Drain
-Scrapper - Katana – Divine Avalanche - Def Buff and Increase attack rate
-Scrapper – Martial Arts – Focus Chi – ToHit buff and Increase attack rate
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Elude – Def Buff and Attack rate increase
-Tank – Ice Armor – Energy Absorption (Defense, Increase attack rate) , Frozen Armor and Glacial Armor (Though very few people ever slot these for recharge, so this would not be the best choice)
-Tank – Super Strength - Rage - uses ToHit buff and Recharge rate.
-Tank/Scrapper – Invulnerability – Invincibility (not optimal slotting, but can use)
-Warshade Secondary - Umbral Aura - Shadow Cloak


Cytoskeleton Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Endurance Reduction:
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Maneuvers (uses 2 of 3)
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Tactics (uses 2 of 3)
-All - Power Pools - Leadership - Vengeance (uses all 3? Can you put End cost reduction in it?)
-All - Power Pools – Leaping – Combat Jumping (Not Recommended, but possible)
-APP - Body Mastery (Scrapper)/Energy Mastery (Tanker) – Focused Accuracy ToHit buff, End Reduc
-APP - Blaster - Force Mastery - Personal Force Field
-Controllers - Illusion Control – Superior Invisibility, Group Invisibility
-Defender/Controller - Empathy - Fortitude – Uses all 3
-Defender/Controller - Force Field - Personal Force Field, Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, Dispersion Bubble
-Defender/Controller – Storm Summoning – Steamy Mist (Defense bonus is small, but can be enhanced)
-Defender - Dark - Shadowfall – Def Buff, End Red
-Peacebringer - Luminous Blast - Build up (not as useful as Membrane, but can be used here) , Bright Nova (Nova doesn't cost much, but if you have these and are slotting for ToHit anyway, you might as well reduce it even more) , Combat Flight (Though the End usage is so low this may be a waste of a Hami-O, depends on your specific usage and build, though)
-Scrapper - Katana – Divine Avalanche - Def Buff and End Reduc
-Scrapper – Martial Arts – Focus Chi – ToHit buff and End Reduc (Not optimal slotting, though, as power is not high in End usage)
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Focused Fighting, Focused senses – Def Buff, End Red
-Scrapper – Super Reflexes – Evasion – Def Buff, End Red
-Tank/Scrapper - Invulnerability - Invincibility (uses all 3)
-Tank – Earth Armor - Rock Armor, Crystal Armor, Minerals, Granite Armor (all def buff/end red)
-Tank – Ice Armor – Frozen Armor, Glacial Armor (Def Buff, End Reduc)
-Warshade Primary - Umbral Blast - Dark Nova Bright Nova (Nova doesn't cost much, but if you have these and are slotting for ToHit anyway, you might as well reduce it even more.)
-Warshade Secondary - Umbral Aura - Shadow Cloak (does not use much end, slotting this is your decision)


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Removed:
-Defender/Control - Storm - Hurricane - ACC and foe -ACC
-Defender/Control - Storm - Tornado - ACC and foe – DEF
(Powers are Autohit in PvE. Are they Autohit in PvP? Do I need to put them back in as PvP slotting only?)

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Cytos--scrapper--dark armor--Cloak of darkness--Combat jumping

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Can someone confirm what enhancers Dark Armor takes? I thought we had that up in the past, but it was shot down ..

Combat jumping? Sure - I'll add it - but adding the disclaimer that it's not recommeded (since it gives very little defense and uses little End) ;-)

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Just added this patch note to PvP section:

Being defeated in a PvP zone will carry debt if any of the damage to you was caused by NPCs. The amount of debt is directly proportional to the amount of damage you took from NPCs vs. how much was done by opposing Player Characters. The more damage dealt to you by NPCs means more debt when you are defeated.

* This means that you can no longer “escape debt” by being defeated by a PC after taking massive damage from NPCs, nor will you be penalized with a massive amount of debt if you are defeated by an NPC after taking a huge amount of damage from a PC.

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wow....not like there were a bunch of folks running to pvp zones as is. I know for one, that I won't be going back.
Bad idea.

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I fail to see how it is a 'bad idea'. You may not like it, but that really doesn't make it bad - especially since you go into no details.

I think it's a fine idea. Reduces the amount of debt you get for damage done to you by players. How can that be "bad"?

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Will the proposed AV Regen rollback effect Mitos and Hami?

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The Hamidon and the Mitochandria were specifically exempted from the original AV/GM changes. As such, there is nothing to roll back for them, in this regard.

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Castle

You and Cuppajo are at odds. She says one thing you say another.

Clean up your act guys and try to get this stuff in patch notes and have a concensous first before telling us this inaccurate data.
-Teklord

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No, actually they aren't. One is referring to AV/GM AI (Cuppa), the other to the Health buff (Castle). They are not the same thing. Hammy and Friends behave like AV/GM's - but they were excluded from the AV/GM Health Buff that was published.

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Its obvious that the player base (see: paying customers) is happy with your performance. Keep up the good work, devs.

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Never said I was 'happy' about the change, nor am I 'The Playerbase'. Just clearing up your question.

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The Mitos are AVs and are acting according to this patch note:

AVs/Heroes and Giant Monsters now ignore threat level damage multipliers for different Archetypes. They are still affected by Taunt as before.


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From _Castle_
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The Hamidon and the Mitochandria were specifically exempted from the original AV/GM changes. As such, there is nothing to roll back for them, in this regard.

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Which is it?

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The two statements ar not mutually exclusive. They can both be True. They do act as AV's, use any AV associated AI, etc.. .. but they did not gain the massive HP boost/Regen boost.