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I solo'ed Positron and Valkyrie with my MM Robotics/FF fairly easily by taking them one at a time not to mention synapse, aeon, mynx etc...etc..etc.. (only oe of those clowns i havent fought is Statesman, but if he is onpar with Recluse he shouldnt be too bad)

The only signature hero ive been unable to beat so far was a guy called the Woodsman, he absolutely annihilated me every time without failt, going through my pets like a scythe through grass.. and thats when he didnt ignore them completely and focus only on me (which was most of the time). He used spirit tree and healed ridiculously fast, had pets, had an awesome melee attac, threw rcks and moved like hewas speed boosted permanently..

Masterminds are pretty awesome for taking down EB's though the Woodsman i suspect needs a brute to keep him busy and off you long enough to blast him to component atoms.

Sadly its more about the state of the nations currency than anything... because were entering a recession and the pound is rapidly devaluing things are becoming more expensive.

I do think the service for lots/transfers/name changes was over priced anyway for something which thier end is relately easy to do.. but agai I can understand why they want to put a price on it that limits it due to those who would use it to abuse the system (transferring recipes, currency and whatnot).

Still im glad I bought most of my slots back when it was cheaper, fortunately ive only had to pay the higher price on a few slots of late.

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You claimed originally, it was just YOU and your alts in the SG, however since he joined it became, just you, your alts and him? Correct?

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On the villain side Sg he robbed yup, its my 14 villains, and "was" also his and his girlfriends 1 character each.

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Now obviously something made you feel like there was a big possibility that he would thief salvage or goods from the SG to put it up there.

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not really, it was more to make the point that any of my stuff which was being put in thier at the time such as the mass amount of base salavage I put in off the two characters I transferred over in order to use the salvage they had to make base teleporters etc.. was not thiers to take and sell and also that the IO's I was putting in storage to be collected by 1 or more of my alts were also ot there to be freely taken. It wasnt noted as a fear of him "stealing" it, as so much as to make the point it wasnt stuff intended to be freely taken anyway.

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Also in your story you claimed he asked for higher access on your SG in heroes, and you quite rightly said no

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I never stated he wanted more access.. I stated he wanted more responsibility, most pointedly the ability to edit the base itself. I also said he asked for this on the heroes side Sg I have which has been around as longas I have and isnt just me and my alts so I wasnt about to give a newcomer that kind of access to something so long established and didnt. I also stated on the hero side of things his rank and permissions didnt allow him to take things out of the base. and he didnt push the point of more responsibility after that. So no it wasnt indicative of what was coming down the line on the villain side of things at all.

The Sg for me and my alts on villains side was far younger and less established basewise, but even there I didnt give him the ability to edit the base. but I did juggle his rank and the permissions of his rank so he could do more than he could on the heroes side of thinga (which is again what i stated in my original post). With regard to storage access I explained what happened there several posts back. It wasnt so much I gave him access, as so much as I didnt actually take it away, as all ranks had access permitted due to me needing it that way in order for all my alts to be able to access storage as they have various ranks, which was in par another reason why I made the clarification about stored items not being there to be taken, unless it was his stored stuff he was taking.

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You should think twice before blaming a whole system over 1 mans doing tbh.

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And you should perhaps come down off your pedastel and not be so accepting of a system that is WIDELY accepted as "needing work", even by those whose job it is to oversee it lol.

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Be happy you weren't playing EVE though. That game is truly evil.

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I used to, for two and a half years, and I can honestly say I never had a single bad experience there, their are some really, really nice people playing that game (special nod to the BoB), but being a PVE'er and not a PVP'er the game eventually lost its sparkle to me.

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Well while everyone else quotes rules and regs at you i'll just say you have my sympathy and in my opinion this guy should be ostrasized by the entire community for his behaviour.

Although you and i both know he won't be.

Where's the humanity people????

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Thank you, DeusExMAchina, appreciated

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Having played three and a half years you must have more friends out there than the one individual who has royally p****d you off. I'm sure word of mouth to your friends can cause this individual some aggro at least.

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Actually of the many long term friends I had on COX only two of them are still subscribed and one of those spends almost all his time farming/pvp'ing on his own or with his own Sg and the other does much then same when he's on which si rare as these days he spends 99% of his time on Age of Conan lol

Part of the reason I take the odd person under my wings is in order to make new friends, contacts that last beyond a single mission or two.. but I would be very reluctant to do so anymore because this experience has left me very suspiscious of new people.

I mean if someone you spend 12+ hours with every day for a month can appear one way and then in the blink of an eye become a total stranger who turns on you and sstabs you in the back then it starts to get real blurry as to how to determine the good guys from the bad.

I prefer the jersk to be jersk from the get go lol at least that way you know what to expect and can avoid the betrayal by not wasting time and efort on them in the first place.

I think for me one of the worst things about this is just that.. I went incredibly out of my way to help the guy and later his partner too.. well above and beyond the cause. You would expect that to "mean" something to them, to have a little gratitude and loyalty towards you for it, not to turn on you and rob you. It stings, it really does.

[quoteThe actual age is probably irrelevant here, but you don't really know a darn thing about the person who betrayed your trust. Sure you got an impression of them over a couple of weeks, but they may not be who you thought they were

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Firstly folks really need to read what has gone before as im having to repeat myself quite at the moment because folks are only responding to a response or two previous and so arent in full possession of the details they are repsonding about

Now to your comments; The actual age IS relevant as a certain measure of maturity and responsibility is expected from an adult that can easily be overlooked and forgiven in a minor.

Also it wasnt a couple of weeks, as already stated it was every day for a month, 12+ hours a day. got to know the guy so well I know his name and his girlfriends and was on first name basis with them both, I know his girlfriends sons name, I know where he lives, I know what they do.. I know plenty about him. Now admitedly all that could be a complete fiction made up by them both though for the sake of robbing someones salavage racks I cant see them constructing an entire fake life..can you? He may have been a muppet but he wasnt machiavellan lol

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Whether or not they had the 'right' to take the items may be subjective, but what is known is that they couldn't take anything unless you gave them permission to remove items from SG storage.

Again: You gave them permission to remove items from SG storage.

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again, im goign back over old ground here.. but as previously explained in this topic.

I did not give him permission, I gave him access (of a fashion, see below) and although it obviously to some of you equates to the same thing, as I and others have said.. their is a very small, but fundamental difference between the two. And when you also consider I made a point of leaving a standing message of the day that stated in direct terms that they did not have permission to remove ANYTHING from the base unless it was something they themselves had placed in thier. A point I had discussed and explained to him directly.. then no, because he had access does not equate to him having permission, which I and he know full well he did not.

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You may have done this implicitly. You may have promoted them to a level that had removal rights and didn't realise it and never intended them to have removal rights. In that case it's an unfortunate mistake on your part, but it is a mistake on your part. Maybe to help stop this, the UI needs to show you the new access permissions upon promotion and get them confirmed...

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Actually the specifics of his access werent quite as straight forward as making a mistake.. what actually happened was as I have previously noted.. the SG in question was set up by me as a home for my own characters, so ALL ranks had permission to put in and take out of the base, because my own characters were (and still are) of varuing ranks.. so for my own conveniences I needed to be able to access the stuff whatever of my alts I was on.

So when I allowed him to join the SG at his request, I did not give him access to the base storages as so much as didnt remove it from hi, and I didnt remove it from him because to do so would also have meant that certain of my alts would also have then been prevented from being able to access my storages. And the reason I didnt/couldnt do that is because the system doesnt allow me to be more specific in who or what can put in take out from the base than yes everyone of that rank can, or no everyone of that rank cant.

Its also not like I just made a blunder.. I made a point of putting nothing in the base for all but the last3 or 4 days of the month I played with the guy and his girlfriend because I wanted to be sure it would be safe if I did, and everything he had said and done and how he cted indicated it was.. but lo and behold a couple of days after I put stuff in and make a point of noting its not their to be taken it was gone and so was he.

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Removal permission is an all or nothing affair - and you granted permission.

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nope, he had access, not permission

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All scenarios have a mistake or error of judgement of some form on your part.

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An error in judgement only so far as getting taken in by a liar and a thief who I had gone WELL out of my way to help, introduce to the game and encourage aand support constantly.. nothing more.

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He'd possibly be in trouble if he'd started sending you tells gloating at his actions and effectively confessing to griefing, but maintaining a silence isn't EULA-contravening afaik.

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again going back to rpevious statements.. He actually did act smug and cocky about his actions. When he put me on global ignore after his theft I had a freidn send him a tell to let him know I had reported his theft at which point he took me off ignore and sent me a tell trying to act all indignant and deny the theft, of course he didnt realise id been in the base and checked and had the log as proof as he is a noob (not meant derogatarily, he really is new to the game.. the month i played with him was his first month).

when I tried to get an explanation from him about why he had done it, he couldnt gve me one, and after several attempts to get to the bottom of it, he stated it was because of words we'd had, which was total rubbish as we'd ad no wrods.. indeed only a few hours before we'd all done a Respec mission and the last words spoken before I logged that night were BRB from him as he and his girlfirend headed off to use thier earned Respecs. thier was no justification or explanation to it, he did it simply because he could. And when I pointed out to him again that the matter was in ncsofts hands and I hoped they threw the book at him (my exact words were, I hope they ban the pair of you..slightly unfair in only so much as it was him who thieved not his girlfriend who showed more sense), he was smug and cocky, stating thy would not do anythign, they would care more about thier subscription fees than replacing my stuff and then he placed me back on global ignore.

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"I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Broadcast flames on fire off the shoulder of Orion Beltway. I watched gold-spam glitter in the mailbox near the Talos Island Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like debt on your main. Time to log off."

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someone is having a Blade runner moment lol

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I wouldnt say that it needs a serious overhaul.. more additions to the current system definately (maybe even on a per user basis instead of a per rank basis) but even so, that is still open to the potential for abuse once they have gained your trust.

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Obviously not EVERYTHING lol.. but definitely as far as storage and who can/cannot access what we need WAY more control than we have now if they effectively expect us to police ourselves.

Its just unfortunate that people like the thief exist as in three and a half years this is the first time Ive ever had my trust betrayed in this game.. normally when you take a new player under your wing and help them, support them you come out the other side with a new long term frined and someone you can trust who si grateful for the help and time etc.. you have given them.. though he obviously decided to go another route for whatever reason.

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Here's the rub, though: by the rules and mechanisms of the game, he had the right to do what he did (as that's what you'd given him when you gave him access to the storage bins.)

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Ive already mentioned this in more detail in previous repsonse in this topic so I wont repeat things.. but no he didnt have a right to it, he had access to it, and access does not equate to permission. And yes the system as it stands may require people to abide by permission on thier own honor.. but that is kind of what we've been talking about. I.e how the Honor system is a flawed one because "Some" people are blatantly not honorable.. therefore we need more tools in game to be able to restrict who can and cannot access what as far as SG's go.

Also just as an aside, NCsofts Customer Support at no point have ever stated what he did was acceptabel or allowed simply because the rules as they stand dont prevent it. Indeed they have agreed many times during our tickets that it was an abuse.. but what they have said is that because it doesnt breach the policies they (not cannot) but ARE not allowed to actually do anything about it.

the stance of "It is not breaking the rule sand so is totally okay" is one taken by some of the commenters on this thread, not by NCSoft.

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1st thing my post wasn't against you it was against the other person, but as you want me to answer you then fine i will

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I think you misunderstood my response as Im not entirely sure what you thought it said that would necessitate such a rant reply..

But my reply was first part joke (hence the LOLs and on a lighter note comments) in response to your kid in a candy shop quote, which came across to me as a joking comment and that is how it was responded too it. The second part of my reply was a clarification (and a general one, not actually aimed at you and in no way a dig at you) and finally a general comment in reference to some early posts by other people that I tagged on to my reply, (which wasnt even directed at you at all)

So colour me confused as to why your getting riled up over nothing.

And yes I have heard the Candy Store quote before, though I dont know why your asking if I have? as nothing in my response indicated I didnt get it, indeed the first part of my reply very much indicated I did..

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As annoying as it is to have what you see as a trust broken why make things worse by trolling it over and over again hear on the boards?

Will things change? Nope I can’t see that happening.

Will you get the stuff back? Again no can’t see that happening.

Does venting and gnashing your teeth make you feel better? Yes it would seem so!

Was the chap role playing? Whatever deities you worship only knows that!

At the end of the day its, and I know this may shock some players…..a game!!

This chaps playing the game the way he wants as a villain, for better or worse that’s what he or she wants to do, if you want to play with him/her and allow the potential for this to happen so be it, if you don’t then don’t play with new players or get to know them better first, even then the EVE case is a dam good one, there are people who love to play the dark side and there is no way to know whos, who

If the persons a bit of a fool then this very post will be puffing his/her chest up no end, some people playing the game will also look on this and think it’s funny or cool or any other number of things, in the end keeping your rant alive is only doing them a favor not you!

It’s time to put the pitch fork down and let the torch go out, yes your annoyed and hurt but there is not a blessed thing you can do about it, and any other on line game will be the same, you have been played good and proper try not to repeat it again and go on.

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LOL the abvoe is the kind of response you get when someone walks in on the end of a conversation and doesnt actually bother to read what has gone before... now admitedlly we may be on page 14, but my actual comments only make up a miniscule amount of that and have not been Trolling the point as you put it but actually responding to others comments on the subject and explaining my POV, which is after all the nature of any discussion and the point forums exist... i.e to Talk about things.

I would also note this issue is only here, because NCSofts Customer Support told me to post it here in order that discussion about it could occur.. so if that is problematic for you, you are free to pop across to the next thread and choose to ignore this particular topic even exists or take the issue up with them so as to ascertain why they thought thier should be a discussion about it.

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To cancel a sub seems excessive for this, at the end of the day you have lost some of your on line time, if you had 20 level 50s and someone had hacked your account and deleted the lot selling everything you have and leaving you with a blank logon screen then things may go differently!

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you know I think some people whether because of age or whatever.. seem to forget this game is not free.. it is a service "we" pay to have provided. NCSoft do not do us a favour by allowing us to play.. "We" keep them in business by playing the game they have made.

so when I get abused in a non acceptable way obviously as most normal people would I expect to have the issue resolved and something done about it, so that I as a consumer am protected from such abuse in the future.. so with that in mind although the ending of a subscription may have been a knee jerk reaction (and one that has since been changed due to a number of very nice people on this actual thread) it is not un-understandable.. or at least it doesnt seem to have been for most people here.

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It is after all meant to be fun as games should be not life and death, and thank your stars it’s not WoW

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I totally agree it should be fun, but thats kind of the point isnt it... someone else for no reason took it upon themselves to ruin my fun simply because they could. Wasnt nice, wasnt acceptable... simple as.

though as noted although I lost faith in the game for a while many of the nice people that make up our community, and more importantly who I have spoken to here via this thread and tell have restored that faith somewhat..well at least enough for me to stay subscribed. though I think its safe to say I wont be giving anyone access to either of my SG's any time soon until the Sg system is SERIOUSLY overhauled.

and thanks, I hope the issue is solved too on numerous levels

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would you expect a kid to be left alne in a sweet shop by themself and not to touch any sweet if you told them not to?


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Thats some warped logic there my friend lol.. firstly the guy was an adult same as me and not a child.

Secondly and on a more lighter note if you think because somethign is there is adequate justification for someone helping themselves then I forsee a lot of jailtime in your future lol as that line of thought is not going to work out to well for you.

Seriously though as has been mentioned and discussed with others there is a fundamental difference between having "access" to something and "Permission" to take it.. the guy in question knew that, yet helped himself and did a runner straight after anyway. And that is after every day for a month of acting like and trying to be my friend as was already noted in the original post.

Id also note to the couple of posters Ive seen speak of "other sides of things" and "his side of things" I'd love to hear them and his justification for what he did I really would, but despite trying to get answer for him he couldnt explain or rationalise his actions at all and instead placed me back on global ignore.

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Just fixing the bug that shuffles back all chars in selection screen after having sorted them out would do for me.

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Amen to that!

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I would kinda disagree with this as I certainly feel some emphatic response to the 'tone' of peoples posts, especially if I know them well.

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which just reinforces the point ive made. You dont know me and so obviously arent able to read the tone of my post because you thought I was attacking the guy when I wasnt.

to be honest im a little confused as to what you took to be an attack as I can see nothing that is obviously standout in my response to him that could be construed as such???

At any rate, as I have said, I ASSURE you there was no attack. And as this particular issue is fairly off topic ill leave it there, but if you want to dicsuss it further we can do so via tell and you can let me know what it was you thought was an attack.

thanks for the heads up though, as I certainly didnt mean my response to him to come across that way. I guess its all a matter of perspective and how someone chooses to read it.

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Atlas picking fights with people who don't entirely agree with your opinion ain't really gonna help anything now is it mate.

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It wasnt picking a fight alphane, but as text is effectively emotionless for the most part, it is fairly easy to misread the intent of a response, where no intent may have existed. As such I can see how you may easily mistake my response whcih was actually pointing out the flaw in his argument as I percieve it to Oracle as an attack, which I assure you it was not in any way, shape or form.

trust me if I was attacking people (unlikely anyway) their would be expletives, bold, and large text-a-plenty lol and there hasnt been.. well not from me anyway

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In all honesty I have absolutely no idea what half of those responses meant. But its late and I'm more than likely being dim. Will read again in the morning and see if I can make any more of it then. But good-night in the meantime.

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lol, night Oracle

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The rules are there. The indivdual acted within the rules. Whatever your feelings on the morality of it I don't see the problem based on logic.

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Actually no he didnt.. he acted on his own, he had and likely still doesnt, as Ive already said know that the rules actually protect him from having to answer for what he did by making it effectively permissable. So im afraid what you quote as being logical is a little off.

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Hopefully most people will have not suffered a situation the same as yours - but I think its overly optimistic to assume that no-one else has ever suffered a betrayl of trust

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you need to re-read my point you quoted, as nowhere in it did I state "noone" else had ever suffered a betrayal. Those are your words not mine.

My statement was effectively that it is apparent that those who took the stance of "put it down to experience and move on" obviously had not experienced a betrayal like this because if they had, they would have the benefit of personal perspective of what it feels like, and under those circumstances I would be beyond amazed if those same people maintained the same stance on how to deal with it.. because in all likelihood they wouldnt imo.

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Of course people understand betrayl and its an injustice to suggest otherwise.

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And herein lies the hippocrisy of the above stance.. if you understand betrayal and its injustice in this regard then for it to be such, you have to also understand that it is wrong. And if something is wrong then obviously it cannot BE acceptable.

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This is the main point of the discussion and indeed the very reason customer support directed you here. Everyone (i think) agrees that the current system needs more flexibility. So the discussion is good to bring this awareness to more people - but unless i'm mis-reading your posts you still expect this person to be answerable to their perceived crime while its clear that even if anything were to be done, you would not be notified. I an unsure what you hope to obtain.

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Sort of, yes.. I would "like and expect" that something should be done in such instances, but I also think its blatantly apparent that the individual in question is and has and no doubt will get away with it.

But if the result of highlighting this flaw in the permissions system at its ability to be abused actually enacts some change for the better so we who run these player run organisations can protect ourselves from such abuses in the future, then to a point I will be happy with the outcome... but whether that comes to pass or not remains to be seen.

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Hello - couldn't resist throwing my two pence in. Before I start I'm on the side of the folks above who have summed it up as "take it as a lesson, don't let it spoil your game"

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You see the problem I have with the few people who have responded in that way is two-fold.

Firstly its apparent that those who have said such a stance have not suffered such an occurence themselves, and as such do not have the benefit of personal perspective of how it feels to have such a thing happen. As a result what people say their stance would be, does not necessarily equate to what it "Would" be, were the shoe on the other foot as it were.

And secondly, because maybe I could have put it down to experience if at least there was a reason or valid explanation for it..be it a real argument, precipitating factors, or even roleplay.. but their was none. This was betrayal with the motivation of "because I could", which im afraid simply does not equate to anything in my way of thinking I can console myself with. It was an act of spite. a betrayal of trust and everything I abbhor in ANY individual who would claim to have been my friend.

So im afraid for me, no it isnt something I can put down to experience.. it was wrong and my sense of justice says wrong things should be made right and those who do wrong thigs should be answerable for them.

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Why? No-one is saying that the actions taken have broken the game rules in any way and I'm sure you have said as much yourself. (I refer to rules, not moral obligations or expectations)

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Again, im afriad nothing in how I think or what I was brought up to believe, or was told and have learnt/know to be right or wrong allows me to excuse theft simply because "technically" the rules as laid out presently do not dissallow it.

Whether it is not prevented by a rule or not, at the end of the day you have to apply common sense.. and when a rule does not prevent a theft or circumstances where thefts can continue then blatantly something is not quit being adequately covered as far as the rules or facilities for us to provide ourselves in game security is concerned.

If nothing else comes out of the discussion I would expect at the very least NCoft sees that the current permissions system is blatantly inadequate for the security they expect us to provide ourselves and to DO something about fixing the problem.

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I dispute that you can say its a fact that its morally wrong - surely this depends on whose morals?

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And im sure the thief found some way to rationalise his act to himself to make it excusable too..but it doesnt mean it was and it doesnt make it right.

There are fundamental things in all societies that are not accepted and theft is one of them. A couple of people here, could and have argued the semantics and permissability of what he did but thankfully almost everyone else has erred on the side of reason and agreed that such actions are wrong.

At the end of the day he took something he knew he should not have, without my permission.. He KNEW it was wrong and that is why he ran (left the Sg and set me to global ignore and then later tried to deny and excuse it). If he had genuinely thought it was okay to help himself he would never have had any need to hide or do those things.. but he did bcause he knew it was a betrayal.

And although he didnt know it then and potentially still may not, due to the way things are currently set up he has actually been allowed to get away with it, under the rationale of "well the rules dont actually prevent it so it must be okay and therefore acceptable"... its a reach by any standards.

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The whole issue is about taking one's words against another. (sorry if that's not proper english - but I think you got my point)

There is always 2 sides of a story. We have no way to verify the exactitude of one's side. Sure we can check logs and use whatever tools we have at our disposal, but not only this would take a considerable amount of time, the logs don't always tell the truth. What if they made some kind of arrangement IRL or on MSN, that would completly spin the whole story? We will never know about that.

If we were to set a precedent for a case like this, this would be open doors to all kind of abuse, and would eat up a huge amount of customer support's ressources.

I am not on anyone's side, just looking at things from a neutral perspective. I have seen such ugly things during my long time playing MMOs, sometimes so tricky that you can't tell who is wrong and who is right.

Not saying this is the case here (and obviously it isn't), but we cannot verify the claims as they exactly happened. Hence the answer you got from our customer support.

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With all due respect Palladium, if this had been someone I knew in RL..this wouldnt have been an issue as a) none of my RL friends would EVER do such a thing to me and more importantly b) if they did, I would ALREADY have sorted the issue myself and in person such that I would never need to come to customer support in the first place.

As ive said though the main crux for me of this is not so much what was taken, although I would certainly have expected the thieved items to be removed from him even if they werent returned.. as I see no reason why he should be allowed to propser for his theft.

But the main issue for me is that as things stand he has essentially been protected by the current rules and policies in place, such that he could essentially freely make a living joining and robbing SG's and nothing will ever be done about it except by us the players and purely by word of mouth.. in what UNIVERSE does that seem even remotely acceptable? Whatever spin is put on that, the fact remains it is is just plainly and morally wrong. We have rules for code of conduct yet apparently theft is not included.

As ive said previously in earlier posts there is a principal at stake here, and I am not one to compromise my own principals simply because others cannot or will not abide by them, themselves.

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I do get your point, I just think you're wrong. You were in no way forced to give them access to the storage, but you did. Since the permission system functions on a binary system rather than with more complex permissions, at that point any limitations you imposed on them were fully trust-based, not via game mechanics, and thus you no longer had protection of them being broken.

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With all due respect Maximillion

Your stance seems to be that it is okay that I got stolen from and that nothing was done about it, because a) it was by the rules, which in some way makes it okay. And that b) because I gave him access his theft is therefore made acceptable because it is essentially my fault for trusting him... as such so no, Imafraid you REALLY dont get my point.

I just hope you never get stolen from in this way, for althoug it undoubtedly give you a little bit more perspective on the right and wrongs of it all it is not something I would wish on anyone.

As for what is the difference between Revenge and someone having to answer for thier unacceptable behaviour..if that isnt obvious, there would seem little point me explaining it.

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Actually, that HAS been the one light point in all this, I honestly believe the Senior Gm is frustrated by the fact nothing can be done, which is why she no doubt suggested I post the situation and thier response here, possibly in the hopes of highlihgting a problem in how things works that may need o be fixed/changed?

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Actually it is valid, as with the metaphor I gave the option the give access is an all or nothing affair

[/ QUOTE ]Option to access != Permission to use/take. If you were to give someone the keys to your house and write a contract with them allowing them to take whatever they wish into their own possession, then it would be comparable to this situation.

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Nope, he had access to them and therefore an ability to remove them but he did not have permission. Indeed even the standing message of the day stated "Please do not remove anything from the base without asking first, unless YOU put it in there", in order to make the point very clear that just because he had access did not mean he had permission.

So quibble about semantics all you like..but your somewhat mising the point.

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Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Really.
However, I think this issue is more about you feeling betrayed and seeking "revenge" rather than being outraged regarding the game's system.

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This is SO not about Revenge lol, though I definitely feel betrayed. this is about people who do wrong things HAVING to answer for them in an applicable manner... and the system not actually protecting them while they committ such actions. Fundamentally it is about what is intrinsically right or Wrong..the basic tenets of what most of us are taught as children and take through into adulthood.. i.e you dont do bad things and if you do, you expect to have to answer for them and make amends.

It the very least I would have expected the system to warn the perpetrator and return what he stole.. not duplicate or provide extra..but simply take from him, what he took from me and return it back to my base where it belongs.. but instead he is allowed to prosper for his theft safe in the knowledge that nothing will be done about it.

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@heshouldnotbenamed stole from you by the rules. These rules are fair and have been looked at many different angles before being implemented in the game. They are fairly straight forward and idiot-proof.

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I suggest you re-read this part of your response my friend as it is a total contridction in terms. If you honestly think someone stealing by the rules is acceptable then you have missed some key lessons in what is right and wrong along the way.

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I'm not saying I wouldn't have made the same mistake you did (since I always give the benefit of the doubt to everyone I encounter, in-game and in RL)

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Its safe to say NO I dont expect to be betrayed and stolen from when I spend every day for a month, for like 12 hours a day helping someone new to the game, going out of my way to include and advise them, support them and aid them and then have nothing done about it.

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I'd just let it go.

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that is where you and I differ im afraid, I make a point of not standing by while people take advantage. things never change unless smeone takes a stand and says "This is not acceptable" and that is what I am doing.

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The game's system and rules are fine. The people who abuse them f***ed.

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If they were they wouldnt be able to safely abuse them..so no obviosuly things arent fine.

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Not a valid metaphor. What you did was to give them the same rights to the stored items as you had, not simply providing access to the space where they're stored at.

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Actually it is valid, as with the metaphor I gave the option the give access is an all or nothing affair, which is exactly the case in the game.. as the system does not allow for refining who can access what, only a carte blanche yes to everything or no to everything option of access.

We should ideally be able to give individual Rank access to each and every storage device (from inspiration and enhancement storages through to salvage racks) in a base separately.

As for salvage racks well my opinion has always been that realistically their isnt any real need for anyone besides the person(s) with permission to modify the base to remove items from them anyway, but as he had no use for the base salvage it never really occured to me at the time to restrict his access especially seeing as up until that point the Sg had only had me and my alts in it and therefore no need to restrict add/remove access from myself.. but then the notion of him taking it and doing a runner never seemed likely either as we were laughing, joking even on first name basis....up until it happened..totally out of the blue without anything precipitating or leading up to it.