Innigo

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Also, as had been said; the immature flaming isn't helpful.

It's a shame the community has digressed to this level.

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The world must an awfully harsh place to you if you call my comments flaming.

Anyway, is it fair? You're damn right its fair. Running a big SG is WAY more of a headache than running a small one. It takes more effort, it requires more commitment.

Is getting all the same benefits as those running a bit SG without having to deal with the associated problems fair?

If its a purely decorative base your looking for for the sake of RPing then there is ABSOLUTELY nothing preventing you. Myself and my flatmate - just because I wanted to see how the editor worked rounded up my alts, he created one and I started an SG and got my base.
Now, this is 5 toons in total - 100k bonus and little running about to get some extra prestige (no more than a hour or so).
We now have a two room base with some furnishings.
That took a total of 2 hours.

Where's the problem?

Maybe saying *tough* isn't contructive, but it's an aspect of the game. Like saying, I want to get to 50th lvl within a few weeks, but I don't play much so why's that fair?
That's the nature of the game. Getting to 50th lvl is an endevour, as is building a base.

Rather than looking at it as a new feature in an existing game, consider it as part of a new game. You start out at lvl 1, you do your running about and get to lvl 10, maybe by then you've got a few people you run about with so you all start an SG together and start earning prestige, maybe by lvl20-25 you've got the bare bones, by lvl30 you've got some of the extras and by the high 30's you've got enough to start raiding.
Big commitment I admit, but so is simply getting a toon through the lvls.

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How about implementing something like this. Lower the overall price of the base items and then make the items cost a bit more for larger SGs.

10 members: Item X = 10000 prestige
15 members: Item X = 12000 prestige
20 members: Item X = 14000 prestige

Not sure about the numbers but you get the basic idea.

That way smaller SG could keep up with the base building a bit easier and larger SGs still would have a advantage of SG members making more prestige and so getting stuff a bit faster.

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But that would be so easy to abuse UNLESS the multiplier was retroactive and updated as the membership changed, and I can see that going well.
"Oi! What happened to the mainframe"
"Well, since Nigel joined we can no longer afford it."

I still think the best way is to simply up the new membership bonus from 15k to something around 50k, or maybe 100k and raise the cap to maybe 750k. That way getting a functional base *should* be relatively easy, but getting all the bells and whistles will still be a huge drama for the smaller SGs.

There was no insult and I was trying to be constructive.

Maybe you could try following your own advice.

I'm sorry Shimmer but it sounds to me like you want your cake and to eat it. No offense.
You want to have your small SG, presumably you have editing rights. So you want to have a functional base, that you're in (joint) charge of, and it's easy to get.

Unfortunately you can't have all three. Pick any two.

And honestly, I don't see any problem with that.

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Innigo - helpful comments there. If you actually read her post she doesnt WANT items of power or raids or a fully functional super delux military defended base. The prices are extortionate and an artificial way to extend the game with hours of grinding.

not a casual gamer(from your post it seems that way), playing for months and only 40 and still cant have a PB or WS - Tough, see how helpful that is?

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The point is, I know it's tough which is why you won't find me bleating about it in any posts in here. And as for the playing for months and only lvl40 comment. What's that supposed to mean? If you'd read my posts, I said I played about 10-15 hours a week, racked up about 300 on my main over about 4 months. Does that make me a casual player, a commited one or something in between. I neither know, nor care.
What I do is that the all singing, all dancing bases are NOT for one person sitting on their lomesome in their very on SG.
You want to do that then it's going to be one room with some stuff in it for a VERY long time and that's how the game works in terms of bases.
Simply put, it's geared towards the big, active SGs. But no matter what the devs did, someone would lose out. Had they geared it to the smaller SGs then the bigger SGs would quickly find themselves with nothing left to do to their base.

But my parting shot is this; ppl are perfectly willing to spend 300-500 hours getting their toon to 50th. Why are some of them so unwilling to spend part of that time developing a base?

So you play CoH for 5 hours a week?
You're in a tiny SG?
And after 2 weeks you CAN'T afford a fully functional base.

In a word, "Tough."

The bases are very obviously not designed for the benefit of the casual player (which 5 hours a week qualifies you as). There's no way you could get involved in capturing or defending items of power.
But maybe you could build yourself a teleport chamber for flicking around the map *slightly* quicker. Maybe a medical chamber - although I've no idea why you'd want one.
But if you go with the tp chamber - at your current rate you might get it within 4 months.
So what?
I've been playing around that long, my main has just reached 40 and that means I *STILL* can't have a PB or WS character. How unfair is that?

The more time that passes the less annoyed I become at the price of things as I see how much prestige you can earn when you put your mind to it.

Two of us as it for less than three hours managed to pull in around 10k of prestige. Three of us have pulled in about half the total earned prestige and we're just about to get the workshop - that's in three weeks. I personally have earned enough to almost buy the workshop myself. Imagine if you and your four friends were doing the same - that's be half a million. And trust me, that's not powergaming, that's playing maybe 10-15 hours a week. Given that this is a game that's been running for over eighteen months I feel a base isn't something you have knocked up within a couple of weeks, but something you're always working to improve.
My issue comes from opening you base to raids - where all your expensive equipment can be smashed. After spending months putting it all together, why would you want to let some other SG pull it all apart?
And this could be abused. With one SG launching a raid on another with the intent of smashing as much of their kit as possible.
After a couple of these hugely expensive raids will that SG still think it's worth defending the IoP?

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thats not a valid arguement..and u ll see as soon as high level villains get more and more what kind of wasteland Warburg will be turned into.

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Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell

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And that's why PvP will always be a minority pastime.

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The barren wasteland almost devoid of activity that is Warburg would seem to support this.

The influence system was, to be frank, completely messed up. The higher lvl characters were very blatantly too rich. Now many main is 38th lvl - has 4.5m inf and has collected nearly 50k prestige for my SG. The truth of the matter is its very easy to earn large quantities of influence in a fairly short period of time. If I put my mind to it I can make well over 100,000 inf in an hour without breaking a sweat - enough for 2 lvl40 SOs (or there abouts).
In the same time I can make 4000-5000 prestige.
Now, my dilemma, what do I go for?
Personally, I love having to make that choice. I love the fact this toon will NEVER have more influence than he knows what to do with and I also love the fact that high lvl toons aren't going to be throwing inf about the place quite as much.
The bases will be an ongoing project for quite some time to come. We might not all get involve in the IoP raids, but then I'm not too fussed about that.

However, it should be a bit easier to get basic base functions running. This could have EASILY have been done by raising the 15k per member to 50k per member and the 300k limit to 1 million.

There was a lot fo work involved, a lot of running about and a lot of shouting but I can say that although this will be the last wedding I help organise the end result was well worth it.
It was astonishing to see so many heroes all lined up holding lanterns - which I got some great photos of. And I would like to thank everyone who participated

Normally I would be happy to oblige but I have another gig immediately afterward. This one including the pub and a gf who wouldn't understand being late because of CoH

I don't think the game is going towards PvP at all, take a look in Warburg on defiant and watch the tumbleweeds roll past. Direct PvP isn't proving to be very popular at the moment. That may chance as ppl come back from CoV or when Villains start appearing in significant numbers - but at the moment it looks like PvE rules.

Since throwing confetti isn't one of the options available to toons the plan is for everyone forming the aisle to stand with all their powers set off and when Tuarus, the Minister says "you may kiss the bride" everyone fires their powers up. I'd like to see as many hail storms and fire rains as possible over the bride and groom - the super-powered version of confetti I suppose.
BTW I'll be doing a lot of jumping around during the ceremony as I'm the photographer

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I am not anti-pvp. I tried it (not in CoH) and I don’t suck. I just don’t enjoy it as much as cooperative and solo play.
The point is CHOICE. There are games that are purely pvp oriented, others have no pvp, and some cater for both. When I bought CoH, among other reasons, was that it had no pvp.


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I agree, but for slightly different reasons. We've seen the devs fiddling with the settings. ED, nerfing Integration and probably other stuff we don't know about yet. All, very obviously aimed to "balance" PvP play. As a PvE player I don't care about PvP playe that much, but I do care about the endless rounds of nerfing.
Where is the PvE players choice in that?

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Resilience is one of the most important powers you can have. Since I've had it I've never been disorientated, stunned, held or knocked back. My toggles have never been knocked off. To be honest I'm amazed its survived the various rounds of nerfing.

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I got this wrong, I was really talking about Integration and not reslience - but what a prophetic statement. Since only a few days after this post it did indeed get nerfed and now I get held in PvE.

I'm still in two minds about this. The point about bases being a bit special is a good one. Yes, I believe they should be. Whilst I realise it's a HUGE prospect for a small SG to get a functional base it's far from impossible. I earned 38k Prestige last week and I'm far from a power gamer. Maybe between 2 to 3 hours per night. At a guess I'd say about 15-20 hours, and a lot of that was just buggering about not actually earning anything. In terms of earning I'd say 8-10 hours.
If we take the 1.2 million estimate for a fully function base then for me to earn that would take 30 weeks (or there abouts). With a six man SG that's only 5 weeks. In terms of the life of a toon from 1-50 that's not actually that long assuming semi-casual play.
The issue is being compounded at the moment because most ppl's most active players are spending a lot of time on CoV, so base building is going slower than it would have done otherwise.
I think it may be important to note that smaller SGs might not get into the IoP thing as they simply can't raise enough people to assault a larger SGs base and will certainly struggle to defend it. We're definitely looking at a two teir situation emerging. The haves and have nots. If this does turn out to be the base then a second teir of IoPs should be brought into the equation to allow for this.
I fully admit that gather pretige is a tall order, but shouldn't haveing a base with all the toys itself be a tall order?

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yeah is true and the mobs in the PvP zones give a bit higher xp as well..but trying to hunt in Warburg is...hmmm death wish?

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Although on Defiant, Warburg is virtually deserted most of the time, so the risk from other players is minimal. I've done a few missions in Defiant - solo sadly - but very good mobs within the mission itself. Always a good sign when I have to power up IH just to survive

I appreciate the offer and may take you up on it when the time for Devader and Scorch to finally meet comes around
Maybe I was suffering from culture shock - after however many months of heroes helping each other to suddenly see them going at each with animalist visciousness was like being slapped in the face.
I hear Sirens call is hero versus villain mass battles which sounds more to my liking - sadly it'll have to wait until I respec AGAIN and do it properly so I have a proper build no matter what level I'm exempted to.
I didn't know heroes and villains could meet in the arena. I guess there's on in one of the PvP zones?

At 9pm GMT on Wednesday 9th November Dochflid and Scorch Trim will be exchanging vows under the Atlas ball. Everyone is welcome to attend, the more the merrier as we'd like enough people to form an aisle for the blushing bride to come down.
The newlyweds will depart immediately after the ceremony for their honeymoon - which I believe will involve Rikti.

The whole thing will take no more than 10 minutes and so I'd beg peoples indulgence for what is purely an RP event.

And neither toon is mine - I'm the photographer

Sorry, that should have been "jumped on" rather than "jumped up". I'm not trying to impose my view on other players but rather point out that the zone doesn't "belong" to anyone, and certainly not the big team of toons all respecced purely for PvP.
However, having had the discussion with the likes of Tainted Greek it seems that his team at least seems to occupy the beach area and if they're on then that's a no-go area and that's actually fine. I respect that and doff my cap to him

But I've had a think and think I know the root cause of my problem. It's this, I've created a Nemesis for a friend of mine and am in the process of writing the back story for it and the plan, for some future point is to meet face to face in Warburg and have at it. Just the two of us as all "classic" hero/villains are, 1 on 1.
Even Bridger came on suggesting you shouldn't go in unless on a team, so here's an aspect that seemed to be closed.
So it's not a matter of me demanding things of other players, it's players preventing other players from having duels.
Use the arena? Can Heroes and Villains meet in the arena?

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Again, all you have proved in your post is that you are subjecting YOUR VERSION of Good Vs Evil and having a jolly good rant at everyone else who doesn't conform to your view on heroes/comics/imagination. This impacts on how you personally see PvP within CoH/CoV. I can't spell it out any clearer..

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Excuse me for expressing an opinion. I was working under the impression that was part of the reason forums existed. I was also working under the assumption that part of the reason this thread popped into existence was to rant at ppl who didn't think they should be jumped up repeatedly the moment they stepped off the boat.
So I tried to explain one person's opposing viewpoint. You have a problem with that? Tough.

Shimmer, I've been that very thing since the Bases expansion was announced - which is why I'm frantically running around trying to pick up prestige - right now there's an arms race going on around Paragon as SGs kit out their bases. The less active SGs will start to bleed players as they shuffle off to bigger SGs with nice bases and whatnot.
The situation will compound when the IoPs start coming into play.

I'll make a prediction now; at some point in the future, on any given server, the IoPs will shuffle back and forwards be the biggest and most active SGs whilst the rest of us dont even get a lookin.