I Burnt The Toast

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

We're talking about sheer numbers here. People laugh at CoH fans efforts to save the game because they are too few to be worth it for NCsoft to sell to. Why would it be any different for an author?

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

Emotions also typically fuel any person's desire to point out to others that they're wrong

Originally Posted by JayboH

When they were talking about emulation and reverse-engineering, I explained that even if the full studio did it, it could still take years and never get anywhere. Many devs left years before the end and didn't properly note everything, and they don't have access to any of that anyway - NCSoft made sure of it.

Originally Posted by _Pine_

NCSoft has even mentioned that money is not the issue. They have so much money, they don't know how to utilize it all.

This is all about PR in their eyes, and that they care more about Korean stuff than Americans.

Originally Posted by JayboH

The hell is the matter with you? You just labeled everyone who has any negative thoughts about Plan Z as a troll?

Wow.

Originally Posted by Ogi

Who did I call a troll?

If you assumed it was you, there's probably a reason for that. I only congratulated the trolls in the thread, I never said or implied who they were.

Originally Posted by Ogi

I almost mistook this thread for a fauxnews echo chamber. Taking it to a new level there trolls.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

Before some of those pogues from that site starts pointing a finger my way:

I aint do it, aint another account I created, and its not an E_L plot.

But glad he said it so I dont have to say it again.

Originally Posted by Dauphine

I would like to add that although we players tried to keep the game alive with the resources we had available - it failed. The game is done at the end of the month.

The reason I say this is there is a group making ***** of themselves on a particular website and its shameful the game dies with this core group of fans behaving irrationally and paranoid. Get over it, you probably spent too much time on the mmo, you probably made sacrifices to real life relationships in the playing of this game, but make amends with your poor decisions and get back to reality or drop out into another mmo. This march behind some twit trying to sell you her books is getting sillier every day.

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

Hey, everybody in this thread? Right here. Look over here please.

Got your attention?

Good.



Is Plan Z going to fail? Yeah, probably, and nobody understands that better than they do. But at least they're trying to do something.

What are you doing? Trolling what's left of a dwindling population.

But it boils down to this: either you're still here because you care about the game and want it to succeed, in which case you should tell the people who are still trying that you wish them good luck and leave it at that if you can't say anything nice, OR you actually want everything to fail and are just here to fiddle while the city burns.

If the latter is true, then please add "with a cactus" to the sentiment in the image above.

Originally Posted by CyberGlitch

A couple do. But most are just hobbyists with extremely simplistic views of how software games get written, and overly-inflated views of their mental midgetry in contributing to same.

In other words, don't hold your breath. The game you have been playing was one of a kind. Anything else is just going to suck. Witness the multi-million dollar flops than have been DCUO and Champions Online.

Really, all the Plan Z people are doing is getting a few people's hopes up only to slink away in shame when they realize how impossible it is for them deliver.

Originally Posted by That_Ninja

Pretty much, except I gave up on the game a few months before the announcement. The game became a less fun WoW with incarnate trials, and trying to do anything else felt like a waste of time.

Sometimes I would get inspired to make a new character. I would log in, then I realized most of my costume ideas need to be purchased in the shop, the powers as well (and not to mention having to bust open a thesaurus), and when I finally managed to make something serviceable, I get dropped into a laggy tutorial with an event at the end I have to do twice because if you don't get in right away as it starts, it doesn't count that you completed it. Couple this with going into a dead AP, the game just became uninteresting and no one was doing anything else besides itrials and the new shiny praetoria and Dark Astoria.

That was the best case scenario. Most of the time for the months leading up to me just ending my subscription were me having idea and just logging out when I couldn't do anything with it.

Originally Posted by Bronze Knight

Hmmm. You know this nonsense makes a certain amount of sense.

This "Fansy" may have an inside source or not. It frankly doesn't matter. He brings up a good point. If NCSoft was loosing part of their profit from COH due to some kind of legal deal letting the game "die" and then resurrecting to end whatever deal it is makes sense.

But this assumes that someone at NCSoft cares enough about the game to want it to continue (I'm not talking about the people at Paragon here).

As for Fansy himself my impression of him is that he

1. Is much older (and smarter) than he pretends to be.
2. Is a writer of some kind. He may be a book writer or even a game lore writer.
3. Takes great joy in the amenity of the internet.
4. Loved his grandfather dearly.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Luckily, some companies do just that:






To find out more about their visions and goals, go here: http://global.ncsoft.com/global/abou...siongoals.aspx

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

What does or doesn't need feeding is irrelevant to the validity of the metaphor. You seriously can't see how it applies?

Originally Posted by akaime

If NCSoft wants to sit on CoH is their right, people bought a client that they are allow to run, just that the servers after Nov 31th will be on permanent maintenance.

Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

Excellent points.

Replacing this game is like your dog dying and some moron telling you, "No big deal! Just go out and get a new puppy, today! Any puppy will do, and by the way grieving for your dog is only something done by stone idiots. So get going! Go get that new puppy! TODAY!"

CluelessCluelessClueLESS, was born WITHOUT A HINT OF A CLUE, EVER. [Not you, people telling us this.]

p.s. this exact type of s*** is why I will never, ever buy into "cloud computing." Giving some faceless corporation total power over my stuff? Great idea. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!

Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker

Really good to see how relatively quickly the Devs are finding new jobs in the industry even in straightened times. It's a testament to this game

Originally Posted by Hyperstrike

First. I wasn't insulting you. I was making an observation.

But if the foo *****, Cinderella...

Second. *I* was the word filter. Not the forum.

Third. I'm not going to circumvent word filters. Sorry. If you feel the overriding need to, knock yourself out.

Fourth. If you want these things just so you can KNOW you're being insulted and justify (at least to yourself) that you're SO put-upon, tough ****. If you REALLY want to know that bad, come down to Chicago, I'll take you out to lunch and insult you to your face so there's no equivocation on the matter. Work for your wangst.

Originally Posted by JohnRobey

Hmmm. Interesting post, Tim. 1. how did the Boston Legal episode turn out? I assume the elderly couple lost/had no case. (Sounds like a frivilous lawsuit to my layman's ears.) and 2. I had a funny image of the Entertainment Industry dressed as Marie Antionette saying "Let them eat poop!" Not exactly enticing, and no doubt the reason why I find comparatively little on television worth watching or even in the movie house.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

Yeah I noticed this beyond the gaming world. Even though sometimes companies see their mistakes and realize that the niche was not as small as they thought, like the Camaro. When it was first killed off, there was no intentions on bringing it back because GM said that car filled only a niche market. Ford was filled with joy. Then the Mustang sale soared, it got a retro look, and GM starting looking and saying "God dang it what have we done." Thus the retro styled Camaro came to light and they spent big bucks to make up for lost ground and for them it works. For others not so much. I think about all the stuff that have come and gone now to be replaced wit hstuff more "generic" but hugely popular. Everything from car designs, clothes, shoes, tv shows, movies, even food.

One one hand it's maximizing profits on the other hand it makes it bland. But hey, seems that is what people want or at least enough of them want it that they dotn have to worry about the people that dont. Just like when Cadillac killed the Eldorado. There have been customers that (most now are highly pissed and said they wont buy another GM product) been buying Eldos. every year since the 70s. Niche market. DTS-niche car, replaced with something that is barely has more room than a CTS. Smooth ride in most new cars-niche. People like the feel of every bump inthe road accordign to car makers. Car designs that look like it had any thought process-Niche market. People apparently want cars that look like a giant insect or like a run of the mill Civic (Talking about that blasted C-CLass that looks like the Civic). Shows where people are not acting like a plum fool on tv-niche. Hey people love Snookie and them house wives.

Originally Posted by Ogi

Corrupt capitalism would be not maximizing profit to those who think acting in the name of profit justifies anything.

And for people who claim to be dispassionate and logical, you've already won, the game is dead, why are you still here?

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

That's starting to change too actually. Amazingly we've been getting support from other games. And I think we're going to see more of it, if these kinds of things keep happening. The frontier of the internet is so young though that there's scarcely been any time to define its value beyond a literal sense. But philosophy can't help but become more of a factor as time goes on. And people will start asking the deep questions that will make the whole thing sound like a dialogue from the Matrix or Tron. "What is real?" "You don't have the right to cut the users off."

But comparing CoH to NCsoft's previous slayings is moot. All of those games were in FAR worse shape than CoH was when given the termination order. And whether it was a weak profit or a strong one, it was still a profit. And MMO's being shut down while they're still generating revenue is uncharted territory, and paints a pretty scary picture for the future of the genre.

By the way, the fact that you said NC doesn't care whether we keep buying their products or not, is EXACTLY why I have felt that "voting with your wallet" is a meaningless gesture and does NOT create the balance of power between company and consumer that most pro-capitalists (probably the wrong word to use, because I don't disagree with capitalism, only that it has become more corrupt and 'scroogey' as time has progressed) love to use as a reason why everything is as it should be.