Hyperstrike

I could say much the same thing.

1: Not if you don't defeat someone.
2: Not if there's nobody in-zone to defeat.

Note: The "steal the fragments" is the option.


I DO NOT have to PVP to get these rewards at all. Get it? That makes it PVE.

Deal with it.

You forgot "get off my lawn".

The point is, if you don't like the price being asked, don't pay it.

If you agree to that price and pay it why are you complaining? You're the one becoming the enabler.

No. Sorry, you're wrong.

That's like saying that any mission where confuse is used by the enemy and cause you to attack a fellow party member is a PVP mission.

The mission does NOT require you to fight other players. Indeed, the mission is run more efficiently by AVOIDING other players. The mission itself is entirely PVE mechanically. The threat of PVP is external and completely dependent on other players, not the mission itself.

Nope. Sorry. The mission itself in no way changes or morphs into PVP. The PVP simply becomes an impediment to achieving the PVE content.

Translation, you have your hands over your ears and you're screaming LALALALA at the top of your lungs when we say anything.

Some people will. Some won't. At that point, if you don't want to PVP, your options are to die or run.

And I've noticed fiteklubbers whining like little girls too when someone disrupts their "duels". In short, "so what?"

But that's what the devs intended and you're not playing the game the way the devs intended! That's your PVP content! Use it!

So, now that you've had your own flawed argument turned back on you, I await a cogent response.

[quote]My response don't tell me how to play.[]/quote]

Yet this is exactly what you're doing to others. Double-standard much?

Actions speak louder than words.

Nobody needs IOs!

You want IOs. And you're equating your desire for them with a "need".

Learn to play more effectively and stop relying on gimmicks then.

Never was such a time.

Learn to do it more efficiently then.

Then place a lower bid and wait, just like everyone else. Or wait for a drop. Again, just like everyone else.

Maybe. Maybe not. If I wanted to go ape-*BLEEP!*, I could rack up 2 billion in fairly short order. Additionally, some of these IOs are rare enough that the prices would be ridiculous anyhow.



Correct. But that doesn't mean people WILL buy it at that price. There are LOTS of IOs and recipes out there that simply aren't available on the market. It doesn't mean I can go and put up one for some ridiculous price and expect that someone's going to drop for it.

Operative word is "need".

Sure, IOs are nice and DESIREABLE, but they are not NEEDED.

However, if you log in and play on one of your L50's, that's essentially what you are doing. Farming for influence. No, you may not be endlessly repeating the same content, but you're still only really racking up influence.

They're just going about it differently than you are.

Ah! And "ebil marketer" rant?

And did it ever occur to you that some of these people are saving towards the end of purchasing stuff, just the same as you are?

If you're depending solely on drops? Uh. Yeah?

No. You don't HAVE to. Will it make PVP EASIER? Sure. But it's not a requirement.

No. You don't. Play regularly, bump your difficulty a bit and the money just comes pouring in. A little constructive marketing will also help to multiply your fortune. I currently have characters in their mid 20's with 40-50 MILLION in inf. Untwinked.

Then don't do it.

You can't give the market two short visits a day (or per play session)? When you log on, when you log off. Grand total, maybe 15 minutes, if you're slow.

Use SOs and common IOs, along with whatever they get from their drops.
I'm not on 24/7 and I have ZERO problem making inf hand over fist even OUTSIDE of the market.

Those that put in the time and effort get the good stuff. The rest have to pay for it.

Cry me a river. It's called "adapt or die". If you're too cheap and lazy to obtain the stuff you want (not need) like everyone else (play hard or spend big bucks), you will obviously have chosen "die".



Most players don't.

The fact is, the PVP IOs are valuable even outside of PVP. As such, the supply is going to be overwhelmed by demand, even as the number of PVE'ers outstrips the number of PVPers by several orders of magnitude.

Point out to me where in the mission design of Shivan Strike ANY of the mission objectives require a PVP mechanic.

Now if we have the scientists going all Edna Mode (Fight! WIN!), I'll concede that the shivan Strike mission is PVP content.

No. Sorry. You're wrong. Simply because you can have stuff stolen from you by another player doesn't make it "a PVP mission".

A PVP mission is "beat up/kill another player".

The entirety of the mission itself is housed in PVE mechanics.

Let's not get into how intimate. Someone's already brought up ERP...

And by the vast amount of casual PVP we see in Bloody Bay (never mind the bustling in other PVP zones), we see that it was a success right? Right?

Maybe yes. Maybe no. If they'd made it a prerequisite to actually get a PVP kill during the process, then I could say yeah. But the entire process of getting the temps is housed COMPLETELY in PVE mechanics.

Yet again, you've missed the entire point by a few light years.

Yes, but for some people PVP'ing is ALSO a waste of time, and an extremely unpleasant one at that.

Kinda the choice between getting your root canal with or without painkillers.

It's not about speed. It's about fun-factor. If they define PVP as "not fun", why should they engage in it.

At that time? Sure. But at least they aren't forced into an activity they hate.

Save fun-factor.

It's about control.

Them running away is a CHOICE to waste their own time.

You killing them is not their choice, and still a waste of their time.

Basing an argument on "what if" is not the way to win.

It is also giving the person license to come and attack you again, when you just want to be left alone to do your own thing. You consented once, you'll apparently consent again. Making what would be a relatively short run through the zone into an ongoing ordeal.

Some people don't want to PVP. EVER?

Have you ever ghosted a mission? It's the difference between a "defeat the boss and his mob" and a "defeat all".

Because it takes TIME to ascertain that. They've just been attacked. They're going to stand there, try to get a fix on the opponent, then ascertain the real level?

Surely you jest!

A +1 minion is clearly labeled as such in the target window.

A PC opponent is NOT.

[WhatYouSense]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[WhatPeopleAreSaying]

They're saying that if you just decide to take a random stab at a random guy and he bails on you and refuses to fight (especially if he could bug-swat you), leave him the heck alone.

PVP is NOT the game. PVP is a very marginal, majorly unpopular adjunct activity in the game. Were it possible to achieve the PVE content in the PVP zones in some other way, you'd never see a majority of the population in there again. EVER.


Again, attempting to apply RP "reason" to something that is about as far from RP as it gets.

Fail?

I'll go slow, hopefully in this manner I'll impress upon you the seriousness of the situation.

SOME
PEOPLE
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EVER

That help?

That's not what he's complaining about Bill and you know it. He's complaining about putting PVE content in PVP zones to force-feed people PVP.

Again, no

Personal RP isn't game content.
Trying to thwack a GM in-zone is.
Trying to thwack a pillbox in-zone is.
Trying to get exploration badges in-zone is.

No. It isn't.

Some people just do not want to PVP.

At all.

SERIOUSLY.

Some people just do not want to PVP.

At all.

REALLY.

I mean it.

They signed up to be heroes. They didn't necessarily sign up to PVP.

Again, some don't want to PVP.

At all.
EVER!
Is this becoming clear?

So, the next time you run into someone who is OBVIOUSLY trying to ACTIVELY avoid PVP, and you're not particularly there to PVP, stop harassing them and telling them your name is Richard.

Consumer-grade motherboards? Nope!

Take a look-see at server boards though.

Not that you'd want to use a server-based board for gaming....

It's not just a giveaway. It's a race, a giveaway with conditions (again, see contest). And I defy you to respond to one of these posts by hand faster than a script can. Fairness doesn't even enter into the equation.

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Or, once a year, they can go to HeroCon and get one as part of their swag.

Or, once a year, they can go to HeroCon and buy them there for $20 while the rest of us get told to *BLEEP* off because we aren't "hardcore" enough to trek 2-3000 miles for a convention held during the active school year.

$20 for a costume is no big deal. Some will, some won't. The multi-thousand mile trek, however, IS. Especially to people with families who can't simply pick up

Yes, there's always going to be haves and have-nots. At least with most of the other specialty content in the game, the distribution methods are equitable.

Vet Awards: Play long enough and you get them.
Holiday Badges: Play during the time and get them. Purchase older ones.
Boosters: Buy it when you have spare cash.

The specialty costume distribution isn't equitable in any way, shape or form.

Were Paragon at more than one self-run con (and the odd ComiCon), limited to driving distance from their offices, a year I probably wouldn't be so annoyed with the situation.

C'mon guys. Smack the marketing guys up and get this fixed please?

I'm not saying this stuff has to be put up the second it's made available to convention goers. But, after 6-12 months, plunk them down on the NCSoft website for purchase. This way the people who actually WERE hardcore enough to make it to these events have a nice long time to enjoy their swag for being there.

It's possible to hack workstation OSes to do PAE.

Two downsides.

1: Note the word "hack".
2: PAE performance is usually fairly awful. So, while you gain more memory, your memory subsystem isn't being well utilized due to all the hoop-jumping it needs to do to access the additional RAM.

Uh. This describes 99.99% of the content of all message boards everywhere.

There. Does that set the tone?

That's fine, we'll convert the thread into "snide comments about Hyperstrike".

Better?

There's nothing you can say about me that I haven't said about myself (at least two or three times!) y'know.

Bringing a ray of sunshine into your cloudy day.

Or is that light from the flames?