Hammerfall

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Out of interest. How much time/effort do you think it would take for someone to get good at pvp on a FF/Archery defender before I13?

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Depends how you measure "good at pvp".

This is still going on. I just logged in and received 3 mapserver disconnections within the first 2 minutes.

Forums are sometimes unresponsive too.

Like said, I am having lots as in several dozen mapserver disconnections after I updated to I13 today (didnt play yesterday)

After some fighting in union RV, I have to say that I like how the changes affect large-scale zone pvp. Since people dont die instantly its more enjoyable as a whole and feels more immersive too. Suppression seems to work ok as well, although I noticed lots of people didnt like it.

However, Im sure serious 1v1 is going to be blown to hell. And I wont take pvp seriously anymore.

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For anyone who doesn't know what I mean - you can no longer select missions for your team until all team members are in the same zone.

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You've got to be kidding me.

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-jump? That's why I use fly on my ill/rad


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I believe theres more -fly powers than there are -jump powers.

What exactly has changed with invul?

Yep, I was going to post that this thread as all others go straight out of window when I13 hits.

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What inventions did was bring WoW aspect to COH. I hate inventions now, and my opinion about ED has not changed. Still.

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Hate it or not, inventions or rather set bonus's filled the gaps left by ED.

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So are you assuming that every person gets their toons stacked with IO sets? More grind for a pvp toon, thats all. OR inbalance between one who has them and one who hasnt if you are assuming that the sets are necessary.

I can tell you that I stopped subbing instead of being arsed with IOs.

Lets introduce more GOALS that force people to play the same lackluster pve game longer instead of introducing meaningful game mechanics that keep people enjoying the ride more.. Thats how IOs were.

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Why does melee actually fail against ranged toons at the moment?


Being Rooted for 1-2seconds when you use a skill

I think addressing that issue would require alot more time and effort but would improve the balance more so than tweaking suppression values, and would allow for suppression to be removed from pvp entirely then just increase the endurance cost of travel powers.

My own little idea

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You guys do realize that after Castles proposed changes melee toons are even more screwed against ranged toons..?

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Way to go on prejudging the changes before you've even tried them. You're showing EXACTLY the same attitude many people showed about ED, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM were WRONG about it. ED was GOOD for the game, and IMO, so will this be.


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Now thats not quite true is it, ED was good for the game once inventions came along 18 months later or how ever long it was.

Before that ED [censored] up a lot of peoples characters.



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What inventions did was bring WoW aspect to COH. I hate inventions now, and my opinion about ED has not changed. Still.

I think that fast paced movement as people call it, is indeed a unique aspect of COH pvp.

However, I feel it also made pvp bit bland because basically all pvp characters had to utilize same movement powers and slotting to be any good. There were very few exceptions to combat jumping/SJ+SS. To be honest I got bored about it. Especially since no PvE builds would have movement slotting to that extent. This created a major gap between PvE and PvP builds which may now be made smaller.

Im very much alienated from the game anyway so if anything these changes might bring me back to test them, but they sure change pvp completely.

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I read about a poll a while back, which showed that most people who don't do PvP don't do it because they can use the time for something else which actually nets them a reward.

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Rewards are subjective.

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People not doing something because they don't rate the rewards is objective.

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Only people themselves decide what they perceive as rewards. So rewards are subjective.

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Yer, i still dont understand why no reward system isnt even talked about, that would make LOADS off people come to the zones/arena IMO.
I very much doubt that any off these changes will make any difference.

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The reason why pvp reward system has been avoided like plaque is that unless its made really carefully, it will be trivially exploitable. Ever used alts?

ps. Those changes look at first glance like they arrived from Mars in a spaceshuttle.

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I read about a poll a while back, which showed that most people who don't do PvP don't do it because they can use the time for something else which actually nets them a reward.

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Rewards are subjective.

I see what I said went completely by you.

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To be honest, I quite enjoy PvP occasionally. The real problem is ganking and overpoweredness can kill the enjoyment factor completely. When coupled with player attitudes of "It's a PvP zone, deal with it" it can be incredibly frustrating, especially when they're singling the more vocal players out just to be an annoyance.


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You are not having problems with any COH-related issues, youre having problem with MMO PVP and how it is implemented. There are lots of issues that make MMO PVP inherently unbalanced and which people choose to be blind of repeatedly. And then they complain about obvious issues.

- MMORPG is meant to be multiplayer. Result: in PVP you get One versus Many 'ganks'. Nothing you can do about it, except bring a bigger mob with you to fight.

- MMORPG is RPG, its about 'improving' a character, growing in levels, getting better items etc. Result: In PVP you will get veteran, 'uber', buffed to the limit characters versus weak beginner characters. Nothing you can do about it, apart from improving your character and in the process waste more time with the game that you pay for. Nothing to do with balance. Its just something every MMO player takes for granted.

If you can clear above hurdles, THEN you may get somewhere where player skill is a factor, but 95% of the time above issues just fudge it all up.

For instance, it never ceases to amaze me why nearly everybody who isnt very good at pvp, insists on PVPing at the level limit, in Recluses victory and so on, even though they know thats when the characters are at the height of the unbalance.. Characters are stocked full with IOs and what not. Why fight there? Because everybody WANTS that their CHARACTER is so uber, that they get the win. Then they INSIST that its about skill when they win...even though most of the time its anything but. They are just replacing the lack of skill with the characters powers.

Majority of playerbase arent actually interested about improving their skill. They just want easy wins. This isnt bad in itself...but when they start bragging that they win with their skill..phaugh.

I never manage to understand some people.

I support all these suggestions.

What you say has never made much sense. Sidekicking is one of the most unique aspects of COH.

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But it's moot anyway - CoH/V launched as a pure PvE game so the PvP will never be more than a "tacked-on" extra. It remains to be seen if an MMO designed from the start and launched with an equal balance of both playstyles can succeed (I guess we'll find out when WAR launches).

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Eve.

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While zonal PvP will never be balanced with the amount of players on each side

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i will always swap to the "losing" side to try and make a difference.

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So thanks for the effort Bru.

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Echoing good points.

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Translation-
We are gonna bring a huge number of villains and gank any heroes that come into the zone untill they either leave or change to a villain.

If you arent a regular pvp'er bringing your whole group dont bother coming unless you want to be farmed. We have zero interest in having fun and just want our temps back so we can pwn in sirens again.

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That was one stupid post. I would have shown up if I had noticed this message last night, but as it happened I was on defiant instead.

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last time i asked about this i got flamed to death that it dead broken and never to return...... but i still beleieve

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It was dead broken but honestly I couldnt see what made it so damn hard to fix.

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I don't know if you read this but the next patch will contain a huge stalker buff including a higher damage scaler, crits out of hide and other nifty stuff. I wish I could give the source, but my internet is acting funny. Check the american boards if you want detailed info on the new test patch notes about this.

This has made my day

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I cant call that quote of buffs in second post huge by any stretch of imagination.