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As far as I know a 50++ is = to a 52. A 51+ would be = to a 52, a 52+ = to a 53 etc.

I've always understood the plus as an indicator of an added level.

If there's a difference in efficacy from 50+ and 51, I've been under a, porbably, very common misconception.

I've tested this over and over and over and with energy cloak alone you can get within 8 ft.

Energy cloak states that it does not stack with other concealment powers. The post above you stated he is not seeing a stacking effect with the stealth IO. Assuming this is true, I doubt that superspeed will stack either.

Fury is not notifying anything. I did not have issues with fury notification in my testing in my large post above.

If fury was doing this, currently, even low level mobs would aggro when standing next to them. They do not. My lengthy post pretty much discussed all of that.

That would be due to the fact that energy cloak states in its description that it cannot be stacked with other concealment powers. I was uncertain of whether or not the stealth IO or superspeed would be included in this. Seems the stealth IO is and most likely superspeed as well.

If you read my above post (Or the summary for that matter) you'd see the energy cloak is effective up to 8 ft, anything closer than that and you'll aggro the mobs regardless of whether or not entropic aura is on.

Where'd I make a comparison? I believe I simply said Claw/SR can be an amazing farmer. Hell, you don't even have to use inspirations if you don't feel like.

If I was going to suggest the very best farmer, I'd always go with SS/FA brute rather than a scrapper since it's easy (extremely) to maintain damage cap with FE, Rage, Fury (since you're always in a large group), and Inps.

Blazing aura, burn, FE, Rage (I use it. The downtime is really inconsequential overall), Footstomp (Built well can be 4-6 second recharge), pair with mu for electricfying fences and ball lightning or soul for dark obliteration is really tops for pure farming.


But if I have to make a comparison for scrappers, I certainly wouldn't argue that Elec/SD is a very good choice.

You are agreeing with me. However, I must point out that I was incorrect.

There is a caveat I'd like to apply to what you said and that is not all stealth powers are created equal. To elaborate, I would point to the concealment pool as an example. The stealth power while giving you a large degree of cover (from aggro) can only do so up to a certain distance. While a power such as invisibility can allow you complete concealment to the point where you could be standing on a mobs head and go unnoticed. I double checked my aggro radius against +2-3 mobs when energy cloak was not active and they were aggroing on from great distance, well beyond the range of even foot stomp (16 ft). The stealth component on energy cloak was reducing that radius up to an radius as small as 7 ft.

Some of these powers (Not from the conealment pool, since most clearly state they cannot be combined with other concealment type powers) can be combined with other powers such as superspeed or even a Celerity stealth IO to provide complete concealmetn as well.

Further testing of energy cloak shows that it is only a partial stealth ability and does not provide entire concealment as would invisibility (I did not believe it provided full concealment). There are some ideas about energy cloak that I was incorrect about as well, but first I'd like to address the original argument of stealth supression.

Unless the power says otherwise the stealth radius (The lowered aggro range) does not suppress. I tested this over and over by attacking a mob with energy cloak activated and then moving to a mob just outside of 12 feet (Checked by activating energy drain to see if it would hit). The other mob did not aggro while fighting the mob I orignially attacked. However, as soon as I turned off energy cloak, the second mob attacked.

Back to the misconceptions I had about energy cloak. The first would be that energy cloak does not suppress the taunt aura on entropic aura. I was wrong about this and my testing has indicated this. However, what my test does tell me is that the taunt aura on entropic aura is an short range. Shorter than the 8 foot radius that the power claims. The recharge component of the power works up to 8 ft, but the taunt and -recharge effect of the power do not. I tested this by the following method with both mobs above my level range (with 2-3 levels) and mobs far below my level range. (up to 25 levels below)

To ensure that I was within the 8 ft range I would get close to a mob and activate energy drain (Brightly colored so it was easy to see) this power would give me a rough indication of a 12 ft range. I would then move foward by half a step to one whole step foward. I would wait 2-3 seconds each step until the recharge bonus from entropic aura was active. If it did not activate I'd move again, wait, and repeat until it did. I would then turn the aura off to make sure that the bonus would clear and then reactive the power to see if the bonus came back. As long as I was within that 8 ft range it did. To verify I was in a 8 ft range at this point, I would activate haymaker (7 ft range) to see if it would fire. It never did at this point. With haymaker queued, I would turn off the entropic aura (This is explained below) and I would take one full step forward (This sometimes took two or three very minor movements to ensure I was not moving too far) and haymaker would fire. This indicated to me that I had moved from the 8ft range to 7 ft range.

After doing this over and over I was certain that my method for gauging the range was sufficent. I then tested on various mobs of different levels using this approach. When I was within 8 ft the recharge bonus was active. I noticed no indication that the -recharge component was taking effect. (Indicated by multiple green rings around the hands of the mobs) The taunt was not taking effect either since I was not being attacked. However, when I moved to the 7 ft mark without attacking the mobs and the aura and energy cloak, on higher level mobs would attack. This indicated to me that the stealth component was failing at a 7 ft range, but not much else. So I compared on lower level mobs as well. When I did the same thing with lower level mobs they attacked as well. Which indicates to me that the taunt aura is only going into effect at the melee range of 7ft and the -recharge effect is going into effect at 7 ft or less.

It did, however, make it very clear that the stealth component of energy aura is not supressing any aspect of entropic aura as I previously thought. Furthermore, there seems to be an error in the way the recharge bonus is being reported to the attributes panel. Though I haven't figured out what it is.


The summary would be the following:

- Energy cloak:
- is a partial concealment power. Will not conceal you closer than 8ft.
- 25 ft stealth component does not supress upon attacking or being attacked.


- Entropic Aura:
- Recharge component takes place at 8 ft. Reporting error to attributes panel (Unidentified)
- Taunt and -recharge components are not supressed in any way by energy cloak
- Taunt aura and -recharge component only active within 7ft or closer.

I've been waiting a minimum of 15-30 seconds just in case. I do this to make absolutely certain that entropy aura has pulsed at least once.

Bah, you're going to make me have to switch characters to check the details on the power again.

Yeah, I've noticed you get nothing at all if something isn't in range. Perhaps that's yet another bug.

((Figures, the details of the power aren't very specific in the game. I, however, honestly can't find any details that state you should be getting any recharge bonus without, at least, one mob in range.))




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True, you're right it should be easy to test.

I imagine with 96% DDR it would probably be extremely difficult to go into cascading failure of your defense. Paired with a heal from DM, incarnate powers, and/or aid self the set should be very durable.

Now that is clever. I didn't think of doing that.

Within the radius of the power. As I said the mobs were triggering the +recharge bonus of entropic aura while I was testing.

Though now it seems to be going on and off erratically.

If this was the case, I wouldn't be able to stand within a few feet of a mob with entropic aura on without aggroing them.

Which I can.

I do, however, think there is a bug with the recharge effect of the aura.

Sometimes it will register even while stealthed, but this seems to be erratic. I've seen the recharge bonus in effect standing within just a few feet of a mob then after several minutes of standing there see it disable.

No, you still have a psi hole in your defenses and resists, but an advantage is that you can have a fairly high resistance to the -recharge effect. Actually, energy drain doesn't help with that either, I was mistaken on that. Really, it seems you'll just have to rely on lucks to help close the gap, but with the other tools that energy aura provides you shouldn't have issues. My SS/EA does quite well. Unfortunately rage crashes are still very dangerous for defense sets. The new energy drain does help make up some of that 20% defense loss during a crash without having to use a luck each time though.

No, the mob is 2 levels higher than me.

Yes.

At this moment I'm standing right next to a mob with energy shield on and entropic aura on. So far no aggro. I've been doing this for about two minutes now.

Unfortunately it seems that the stealth component of energy aura, alone isn't actually good enough to stand in the middle of a mob for more than a few seconds.

If there is a taunt effect on entropic aura it isn't having affect while energy cloak is active.

However, I'm not seeing the suppression of the recharge bonus in entropic aura. I'm within range of one mob and receiving an extra 3.5% recharge bonus, so I'm certain I'm in range to taunt.

As soon as I attack, however, and run as close to another mob they aggro on sight. With energy cloak alone, I can get within just a few feet of a mob. Can't do that once I've started combat. This leads me to believe that the stealth component is suppressed until sufficent time has passed to allow it to kick back on. (I.E. If you get far enough away from the intial combat for long enough you'll cease to aggro mobs on sight)

Furthermore, to support that I am close enough, the visual of energy cloak is constantly fluxing between on and off.

You're right the taunt aura was added to entropy shield which doesn't taunt while energy cloak is unsuppressed. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stand in a mob. (Though I didn't stand there long. I should have waited at least 10 second to see if it pulsed)


Entropy Shield (Brute & Scrapper) ((Oh, they renamed Entropy shield to Entropy Aura. They just didn't note this))

This power has been redesigned to be a taunt aura that will enhance the user's recharge for each target in melee up to 10 targets and will reduce the recharge of nearby foes.
Renamed to Entropic Aura
Added Taunt Aura
Now will boost the user's recharge rate by a moderate amount for the first target in close range with the user and a small amount for up to 10 targets.
All foes affected by this power will have their recharge reduced slightly.

Which since there is no "Entropy shield" in energy aura, I find it slightly confusing. I'm going to have to assume they mean entropy aura, though it seems strange to put a taunting aura in your status protection toggle.

I retested by dropped all toggles except energy cloak to test and the effect was still the same. I attack one mob, that mob aggros I run several feet to another mob that did not aggro when I attack the first mob, as soon as I'm in range the other mob attacks on sight. Stealth is not being maintained.

I'm absolutely not arguing that the radius is maintained, just because your stealth effect is suppressed doesn't mean the radius changes. I'm stating that concealment portion is negated after attacking. Before attacking a mob you can stand directly in the center of a mob without being aggroed. As soon as you attack, your concealment effect is suppressed.

To prove this you simply run into another nearby mob without attacking them and that other mob will aggro. If stealth was maintained the other mob shouldn't attack you as there is no linkage between unassociated mobs (I.E. One mob can run through another without causing a train effect, unless a player causes those mobs to aggro)

If you can show me otherwise, Pine, I'll fully accept that I'm incorrect. I'm am not so prideful that I cannot admit when I say something incorrect. However, there is nothing that I've seen that refutes what I am saying.

Even though I said I was done discussing this with you DarkSide, you may have a valid point with superspeed. I have not tested superspeed stealth the same way, though the discussion is about energy cloak and its effect.