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Quote:No - he's stripped the humanity from the people - he just wants to rule over robots, not peopleOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
The point remains, Cole's ultimate goal is the preservation of Humanity, much like animals in the zoo.
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Quote:Maybe they just like the uniforms?Originally Posted by Venture
I don't think that Praetoria measures up as a scenario rife with moral ambiguity but I also don't think it was ever really intended to. The devs did say, flat out, that Tyrant is the bad guy and his regime is evil. I have no idea where the Draco in Leather Pants style admiration is coming from and/or why some people are so hell-bent on trying to show the brownshirts of a fascist state in a positive light.
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Quote:One alternative might be to try and get help from another dimension where there were people just as powerful as TyrantOriginally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
I note that if Cole actually wants to kill everyone in Praetoria, if that is his sole and explicit aim, then he's got a really weird way of going about it. I mean, he can go switch off the sonic fence if he wants to, or just start beating people to death with his bare hands. He is the sole Incarnate of Praetoria; he can survive nuclear weapons and the Hamidon; who's going to stop him?
Which, incidentally, also kind of throws over the entire idea of revolution against the state. When you have a physical god for a dictator, the will of the people is completely irrelevant. Even if every Praetorian took up arms against Cole, there's no guarantee that they could kill him. About the only tactic that has a chance of working is a threat of mass suicide, gambling on the hope that given the choice between maintaining power over a city of corpses and stepping down but keeping his people alive, Cole would choose the latter. Because if that doesn't hold, you're screwed any way you look at it.
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I've just had an idea...
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Quote:In the retconned MJ and Tina arcs you can see them on some of the mission maps - but they're no different to the Primal Earth ones.Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
I say this in a spirit of honest confusion: I wasn't aware that the Syndicate was created by the state.
I do agree with your larger point - that the conflicting factions in Praetoria are generally either directly working for the state, directly working against the state, or a side effect of that conflict. It would be nice to have some ordinary greedy people, although the Syndicate seems to be this. It would also be nice to resolve the question of whether the Devouring Earth continue to be a threat, because if the DE turn out to be a falsified threat then I feel this detracts enormously from the scenario as presented.
I think the devs have read and watched V for vendetta as part of their GR researchQuote:My personal feeling is that popular media, particularly in the US, tends to shy away from any implication that the designated villains have a point, and tends to reconfigure morally ambiguous stories into ones where the designated villains are the sole source of all evil. For instance, the film adaptation of V for Vendetta implicates the leaders of fascist England in causing the crisis that precipitates their rise to power; the original graphic novel takes the much more disturbing tack that the crisis was unrelated and that the people of England voluntarily chose fascists to lead them - and worse, that the alternative that V offers is not a populist restoration of democratic rule but rather a violent, bloody, anarchic revolution against a backdrop of dire and desperate circumstances that have not been resolved.
In short: if Praetorian Hamidon isn't real, then Going Rogue is V the Movie and I am disappoint.
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Quote:Well, Tyrant's making good progress with that aimOriginally Posted by BenRGamer
could very well kill almost everyone in Praetoria
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Quote:"A comprehensive welfare plan for war veterans" sounds better in any policy documentsOriginally Posted by Divus
Don't forget keeping street gangs in dope.
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Ignore the raging, Dr. Aeon - these contsts are always fun
I don't actually take part, but I like to play the results
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Quote:Well, with 30% of the entire government budget going to the PPD and IDF, Tyrant probably feels he has to show the tax payers they're getting value for moneyOriginally Posted by Venture
Helps, but not much. The real problem is that not once in the 20 levels do you ever fight or even see a threat to Praetoria that was not created by the State.
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Quote:Fixed, for hot demonic loveOriginally Posted by Mr_Grey
I think Praetorian Infernal IS Prime Infernal's boyfriend, they just haven't gotten around to writing that story out yet.
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Quote:Well, maybe not reasonable - but still a few less twirls on the moustacheometer - like there'd still be the mass murder, "disappearances", torture, propaganda, tightly controlled media and education and so on - so it'd still be an evil system, but not quite the over the top evil system that's shown right now.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Honestly, take out the Seers & Enriche and Cole looks a lot more reasonable. I think the devs put those things in (and made some of the Praetors completely despicable) precisely to show how horrific Cole's regime is.
And like I said earlier, Enriche and the drugged water supply take away the angle that a lot of people are genuinely happy with Tyrant and his dictatorship - if there was no drugging of the citizens, but they were still shown to support the fascist government, that would add a bit more gray to the setting. -
Quote:Blame her family - or her boyfriend - or maybe both.Originally Posted by TrueMetal
But Duncan is way off the deep end. She's a sadist and a sociopath, real serial killer material.
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What level are you? If you're still in Nova Praetoria, talk to Interrogator Washington.
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They're in normal outdoor spawns for sure - so I think they'll be in indoor ones too.
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The Incarnate endgame system is tied into the Coming Storm
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A Chi Master was added to the Tsoo, and a Girlfriend form Hell was added to the Hellions.
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There's a difference between dying and being totally shut down
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Quote:Delicious salty tears?Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I weep to have failed your litmus test.
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Quote:Tougher than Reichsman?Originally Posted by EvilGeko
That and I'm pretty sure from Castle's cryptic posts that Cole is a raid boss!
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Although the game is very clearly set up for the dimensional war to be Primal Earth = player side, Paretoria = enemy NPCs, I think it'd still be possible for the devs to add some more content for the stormtrooper types who wanted to keep serving Tyrant, even if it wans't on the same scale as the standard anti-Tyrant content.
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Quote:I think the devs would prefer you to turn against him - it makes it much easier for making new contentOriginally Posted by Charcoal_EU
There should be another dialogue 'path' in the final meeting where the character can agree with Cole and promise to side with him when the invasion starts. Perhaps even working under cover until then.
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They might even announce the release date of I19 at that panel
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Magic seems to be almost nonexistent in Praetoria - but as far as I know, there's no reason given for why it's like that.
It's probably another secret for us to uncover later
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Quote:Punching him repeatedly in the face would be a good warm up routineOriginally Posted by The Hound
GG just needs to warm up to Cole
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Quote:A tyrant is never a good rulerOriginally Posted by BlackArachnia
Is Cole a good guy? No. But as historians have learned, and I was reminded from a friend, a good Ruler is not a good man. A good Ruler need make decisions that a good man would not.