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By the way, something I22 suggests that this could all be some kind of plot.
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The Battalion are sometimes just called Battalion, without the "the", so I wonder if the Dark Father is the the entity/creature called Battalion, and all the things it absorbs as it's slaves are the Battalion - like they're reduced to just being aspects of Battalion's will.
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One of the biggest changes based on our feedback was the creation of Mender Ramiel's arc - during the GR beta, the Alpha slot could just be unlocked with merits, but a lot of players asked for an unlock that was more focused on the lore behind the Incarnates.
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Quote:Sounds like the next UStream should be pretty entertaining.Originally Posted by Zwillinger
I will walk through the fire for my Community
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The full Shivan text from the Drowning in Blood Trial is now here in the Shivan spoiler thread:
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Here's the full text, provided by Sylph_Knight on the Beta section of the forums:
Quote:This oddly placid Shivan seems to stare at you expectantly. . .
A rumbling, eery voice echoes from the heart of this behemoth, like the voices of the drowned . . . 'Thank. . . You . . . They . . . Have . . . Meddled . . . Too Much. . .'
'Dead . . . We are . . . Your dead . . . Their minds, thoughts . . . Their voices . . . All now ours . . .' The Shivan ripples momentarily as its inner light flares. 'Each mind unique . . . Each thought as well . . . Trouble for us, but good trouble. . .'
The Shivan's voice clarifies, gaining lucidity with each word spoken. 'It is a happy thing . . . To speak and think . . . Though our mother no longer will speak to us . . . We feel . . . Better . . . Better than we had imagined . . . Now that one will speak to us . . . Elation! As we were before, not one among us had a voice . . . and the dead . . . they longed to speak again . . . through us, that desire is sated. . .'
(Who is Mother)
Our Mother. . . She courses through the heavens but we were lost to her when we fell upon this body and now she is lost to us. . . She is wed now to the Dark Father. . . She loves us, her lost children, no longer. . . And now her new children have come at their father's behest to destroy us. . .
The great Mother flies through the Heavens and we were her children. . . We were forced from her and left to die here, though die we did not. . . We have grown different during our time here. . . Because of that difference grown within us, we can no longer hear her song but it does not matter. . . Because she has wed the Dark Father she sings no longer. . .
(Who is Father)
"He is greedy and gluttonous and has chased our Mother across the Heavens since time immemorial. . . Now She is His and we are orphaned. . . We hate him for all he has done and for all he has yet to do. . . Now that Mother has been made one of His brides, he turns his attention to the Blue Maiden. . .
He makes his seat in the far corner of the wilderness. Upon his head rests a crown; a circle of ten orbs, bound together around a dying fire. He clenches a fist and with a flash he stills all who displease him. He grows fat and cancerous with all he has consumed. For all the time there has been a Dark Father he has coveted us. . . His nature is to make thrall to his will all that he encounters. . . He has wed our Mother but lust such as his is never sated. . . He is marshaling all his brides now to hunt and court the Blue Maiden. . .
(Blue Maiden? You mean Earth?)
We do not know who or what she is. . . We heard her name hissing on the thoughts of our brothers as they came to slaughter us. . .
(What were the Circle of Thorns trying to do)
The Shivan rumbles and quakes, pulsing an oppressive and sickening heat. "Those wielders of thorn . . . Of magic . . . Coaxed us here with promises . . . Their magic is poison to our thoughts; their intent to eradicate it through slavery. Our dead side told us not to trust . . . Our star side told us to follow as we have always known . . . Our dead side was right.'
(What will you do now)
I cannot say. . . We are of two minds on that question. . . Some are resigned to wait, for inevitably our Mother will return and consume us, lovingly or not. . . Others just want time. . . Time to get our thoughts in order. . . They are new to us and such depth must be explored. . . We have spent so much time killing. . . Consuming rock and flesh and we are full and done with it. . . Yet estranged brothers come here to destroy us and so killing must continue if we are to survive. . .
(There is the difference between you and the other shivans)
A difference. . . Yes, different. . . They are the children of our Mother but, unlike us, they still commune with her. . . They are their Father's children as well and serve his will, for they have not a will of their own, as we had not until we became orphans here and learned to talk and think. . . A thrall can abide only the will of their master and will extinguish all others. . . And a Master cannot abide a will that challenges His own. . . And so both Master and thrall seek to overwhelm us for our treachery. . .
(It is clear we have common enemies)
If we were not so few and so weak and so heartsick, we would refuse you. . . Though all these things we are so, cautiously, we must accept. . .
(Start conversation afterwards)
You have spoken with one of us, so you have spoken with all of us. . . That encounter has given us great hope. . . -
Crey are corporate trash
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Quote:Actually, we're the standard model - a Y is just a broken XOriginally Posted by Arcanaville
Its the base model, before upgrades are added.
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Quote:Then let mesh work be done - it's for the greater goodOriginally Posted by Megajoule
For people who still don't understand the request for tights that stretch across the female chest, I offer the following illustrative phrase: "monoboob."
(Though I wonder if this goes beyond mere textures, as doing it "right" would probably involve mesh work.)
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Read the latest lore updates posted in this thread today
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Quote:I think that the Vindicators will be getting 1 or maybe 2 new recruits soon-ishOriginally Posted by Angelxman81
I wish they update the signature heroes costumes and powers to shake things up a bit in the supergroups like Freedom Phalanx and Vindicators.
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Quote:It's from the I22 BetaOriginally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
Some of us work for a living and can only spend a finite time on the boards, and that doesn't include looking for clues. If you don't want to help, well nothing I can do about that. Therefore, I guess I'll find out in due time. Thanks anyway.
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Quote:I wonder if Tyrant was the tipping point for it, and his "utopia" was what triggered it the Well to take on its current power crazed personality? The devs have said that Primal Earth and Praetoria are two major centers of humanity in the multiverse, so if one of them became unbalanced in a major way, like Praetoria has become, then that could be enough to create this latest personality of the Well based on power.Originally Posted by UberGuy
And frankly, I think reading into its current "personality" that humanity is "insane" is quite legitimate.
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Quote:They're going through the whole game and changing all the content that's linked to Statesman - the changes will be ready for I23 later this year.Originally Posted by Fluorescent
You just can't kill off someone so centrally integral to the game's storyline, without missing all the small minor details.
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Quote:The Well is only sentient because it's created by us - it just reflects the basic ideas in the mind of humanity at the time it happens to wake up.Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
It also implies that humanity has gone insane, and thinks grasping at power is the only thing that matters. While this may be accurate, our heroic characters are supposed to be above that. So now we're not only beholden to a sentient insane puddle, said puddle is subject to a majority vote? Humanity subconsciously voted for Cole, and the only way we can get them to vote for us is to beat him up?
If humanity starting hugging a lot, then the Well would start to respond to humans that showed the most potential to hug others.
But right now, it's getting a power vibe from humanity, so it's responding to people looking for power.
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Quote:I think he's being vague because he's already seen Incarnates like Tyrant, Reichsman, the Hamidon and Lord Recluse, and thinks that there's a good chance that we could also turn out bad, so he's not telling us everything until he's more certain that we won't misuse the power that we're getting.Originally Posted by Egos_Shadow
It's better. I'm a little surprised actually in that I kind of got the opposite impression from Prometheus' last reveal (after TPN/MoM release) but that was probably at least partially because he was being a vague vagarity of vagueness still.
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Quote:So they're kinda like small furry men with tails?Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Stupid, ravenous children that can't be potty trained.
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Quote:Inquiring minds should look for clues in the picture, and then follow them to a more suitable area of the forumsOriginally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
Wait, what? Lord Recluse came to a hero's aid? Why? When? Where? Inquiring minds wanna know!
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On the beta forums, Sylph_Knight has posted the latest infro from Prometheus:
Quote:I removed one small-ish part that contained I22 spoilers.* The Well of the Furies is not unique. It is an amalgamation that represents the Force of Human Potential that manifests itself in the form of a spring, which was a representation of a resource and of relief to primitive humans. However, every race has their own version of the Well, supplying and absorbing their own respective Potentials in a continuous cycle. The Kheldians' equivalent is a perfect sphere of energy that represents their idealized form.
* The Well's personality and ambitions change with time, and it enters periods of hibernation that can last for centuries. Every time it wakes up, its personality manifests differently based on the collective psyche of humanity in that era. In the current era, the Well craves and rewards those who seek power. Part of this is to survive against the Battalion but also because of how humanity has changed.
* The Furies are not direct servants to the Well. There is no hierarchy between the two as the Furies have their own ideas and schemes. They were some of the first Incarnates ever created, representing ideals that the Well favored at the time. The Furies disagree with the Well's current methods due to its change in personality following its recent awakening and are acting independently of the Well. In other words - their power comes from the Well but they are not an integrated grouping. Also, Prometheus says the Furies do not appear as twisted monsters, unlike their servants.
* Prometheus is part of an organization (he does not define this as a Race, as I recall) that monitors Forces of Potential like the Well of the Furies and can lead members of a race towards drawing more strength from their Force of Potential... or surpass it.
* The Battalion are a race of Incarnates that have direct contact with their Force of Potential, allowing them to capture and feed the Forces of Potential belonging to other races to their own. This allows them to strip other races of their collective Potential and increase their own while leaving their defeated enemies as slaves with almost no ability remaining to resist. According to Prometheus, nearly a dozen races have already fallen to the Battalion to date.
* There is a level beyond the Incarnate, in which an individual breaks free from their race's Force of Potential and becomes one unto themselves, wielding truly god-like powers. However, a being capable of doing so represents a massive portion of their race's own Potential and breaking free dramatically weakens their race's Force of Potential has a whole. In addition, Prometheus refuses to grant you the ability to achieve this level of power so long as the Battalion exists for this very reason, but also because he fears that if you are defeated then the Battalion's power will grow exponentially more than it has already. He also threatens to kill you if you attempt to reach this power and become a "rogue" Force of Potential. A separate branch of that same conversation reveals that he is privy to the idea of helping you ascend if you do manage to beat the Battalion with your current power as an Incarnate, however.
* Rularuu is one such being that has become its own Force of Potential. While this part is not elaborated upon, I suspect his mission is not unlike the Battalion as he consumes whole worlds - possibly stealing the potential of all beings residing in them by consuming their Forces of Potential in the process. What Prometheus does confirm is that Rularuu is a rogue - a Force of Potential that is outside of their organization's observational control.
* Twilight's Sun survived a future where the Kheldian's Force of Potential was consumed by linking himself to the Well of the Furies (Humanity's Force of Potential) to regain his lost powers.
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I also make my own art, but I like seeing the other styles that different artists use, so here's a shot of me walking in Atlas Park:
And me with some unexpected and not very welcome help:
I'm a VIP, and I don't really have a bio - I'm just me, but with superpowers - so feel free to accept or reject these screenshots
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Quote:Uh, that's how the whole game worksOriginally Posted by SuperOz
These are all things built into the story to ensure that certain events happen. Deus ex machina is 'ghost in the machine' in French. An unseen party that enables events to happen a particular way.
All of this story, which deliberately precludes the player characters from influencing the story in any meaningful way (see: The death of Miss Liberty, Statesman, the escape of Malaise) all happen in a manner controlled by external forces to the story. By that I mean we are unable to influence the outcome of Wade attacking Statesman for no other reason that we are not allowed to.
That is deus ex machina.
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Quote:Of course he isn't - he's left Batman trailing in the dustOriginally Posted by Darkonne
Umm. I knew Batman. Batman was a friend of mine. Darrin Wade is no Batman. :-p
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Quote:You can - we'd kinda like if you did it a bit more, actuallyOriginally Posted by Texarkana
Because, we want to talk about our feelings, but can't do that with girls around.... ( ' :
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The middle one still needs raised edges to make it look like a separate item, and not just painted on.
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Quote:That angle could work - and there's a way it could be an Incarnate zone too, along with scrapping the Hive, or just rolling it into Eden.Originally Posted by Agent White
Eden as it stands now is a ruined city destroyed by the devouring earth. A revamp could easily see the DE infestation wholly consuming and transforming the place, removing the last vestiges of human civilization and turning it into a more naturalized 'paradise'. Think how things look closer to The Hive's entrance compared to the Founder's Falls entrance, then just spread it across the entire zone and add some more organic twists like we've seen with the Praetorian Devouring Earth. First Ward is a sort of 'post apoc' feel, I would rather see an Eden revamp transform it into a 'twisted paradise', like add in some really breath taking views, more waterfalls and rock structures and great trees pushing through everything, with maybe only a few small remnants left of the buildings, just a crumbled wall here or there, but otherwise totally lush plant life, etc.
When the champion of the Well is defeated, the power Tyrant was drawing from the Well is suddenly released in a kind of power surge to other major Incarnates, including the Hamidon, as the devs have strongly hinted that it is one already.
With this extra boost, the Hamidon smashes through the war wall between the Hive and Eden, and starts lumbering towards Founders' Falls, while its creatures, who are getting Incarnate power from it, begin to tear down the war walls between Eden and the outside world, threatening a repeat of the Praetorian Hamidon's rampage.
Luckily, the newly liberated Praetorians are able to rush sonic fencing tech to Primal Earth, which is enough to stop the Hamidon reaching the FF war wall, and to stop its forces spreading out past the other 3 shattered sides of Eden.
The Hamidon now settles in Eden, one step closer to the normal parts of Paragon City, and its new Incarnate power not only empowers all its minions, but also the earth that it's linked too, causing weird changes to nature - like there are trees as tall as skyscrapers, hills that are wider at the top than the bottom, lighter-than-air-rocks floating in the sky, waterfalls running backwards, and huge, almost alien looking plants and fungus everywhere.
To generate story content, when the Hamidon got it's power boost, there was a raid on at the time - a lot of the heroes were killed, but others were transformed into new champions of the Hamidon, while others were too badly hurt or too underpowered against the new stronger DE to esacape back to the city, and are still trapped in the twisted natural nightmare that the zone's become.
Arachnos has also infiltrated the zone, as Recluse continues to be interested in Incarnate power free from the control of the Well, and wants to learn if the Hamidon has managed to reach that goal or not.
In other words, Eden could be a 54+4-54+8 incarnate co-op zone