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Quote:Making it easier for the people that like PvP the ability to get together is a great idea. Just keep that open world PvP stuff away from this game.Originally Posted by Radubadu
Again, assuming you're right ignoring 10% of the playerbase is still not a smart move... it just comes down to finding a way to address their wants without ticking off the rest of the community... admittedly that hasn't happened but there seems to be a general consensus that cross server PvP zones might be the answer... wouldn't you agree that even if only 10% of the population enters those zones it's a good idea for the devs to address that as a possibility? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Radubadu
so do you really think NCSoft wants to ignore 10,000+ customers? That's a source of over $150,000 a month that I'd see what I could do to make happy.
Yes.
1. They ignored the people that threatened to quit over the changes to the AE farms because it was what was best for the game.
2. They ignored the people that threatened to quit because of the restrictions placed on the trial accounts because it ws what was best for the game.
3. They've been ignoring the "Merge the servers" crowd for years
4. They've been ignoring the people that want to respec out of AT's
5. They've been ignoring the people that want to pull all their enhancements off of a build.
6. They've been ignoring the Basebuilders requests for more base love for years. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Radubadu
Please don't speak as though you speak for all... personally I'd like to see some kind of world pvp implemented, yes there would be potential issues but nothing that couldn't be worked out. They could after all make an official PvP server since we don't have one. Yes, Freedom is the unofficial one but there is still no open world PvP.
I have no doubt that what I said is the opinion of around 85-90% of the playerbase. One merely has to login and check to see what zones people are in. If you do you'll see that the PvP zones are always almost empty.
Yeah nice try, but why don't you mosey on over to Champions and see what happened when their devs said they were going to charge for their next issue. The majority of their players told them off and they decided not to charge for it. Our devs know that if they implemented an open world pvp they'd start hemorrhaging customers. Money talks.Quote:Also, the devs rule... not the majority, and aside from that 51% is technically a majority... so by your logic it'd be ok for the devs to ignore the request of a minority group even if it's almost half their playerbase. I know the ratio is no where near 50/50 but do you really think the devs want to ignore any requests regardless of the percentage of players that do and do not want it? I'm sure they're not going to make PvP their focal point for the time being but I'm sure it's something that they'd like to get involved in to possibly get back those customers that did enjoy PvP before I13. -
I remember me grammar. I miss her. I also remember me Grammpar. He was a crotchety old coot that loved to argue wif people. Always made me laff.
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Quote:Why? Did you ever see the movie Daredevil? He stayed and protected Hell's Kitchen. So if a person wants to do the same thing in the game he/she can turn off their exp and be the "champion" of a specific city zone (or bane of a zone if he/she is a villain). Turning the xp off allows the character to still enjoy the challange of fighting NPC's in that zone. He/she can also assist other players new characters as they face their own challenges in that particular zone.Originally Posted by Sister_Twelve
I've never really understood why some people freeze their characters from advancing
We have the ability to make hundreds of characters. Not every one has to be ubered out at the max level. Some of us actually play because we're having fun. -
Quote:I don't think you are comprehending what we are saying.Originally Posted by Slope
I don't think you read the story.
WE DON'T WANT WORLD PVP
There are far more PvE players than there are PvP players. The majority rules.
Go back to the Arena, Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, Warburg, or Recluse Victory. If we ever need you we'll come to you.
But don't hold your breath. -
Quote:Exactly.Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Team leaders already get merits that nobody else does. That's encouragement enough to drive. Adding additional bonuses will only make people fight over who the leader is.
If anything we will see more two man teams where the team leader is running two accounts so he can get the bonus and not deal with people bickering over their turn with the star.
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Quote:That possibility has been explained to him in his thread about tags up in Player Questions.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Ummm, I don't think it was meant to be a complement. Didja read that thread?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Power_NA
I got one, you get Coins to unlock unfits and get tem-powers that you can't get unless you use the coins
Unfits?
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Quote:Actually the label that was briefly used for that was /jpowerranger, but if I recall the mods discouraged using it.Originally Posted by Twilight_Snow
Actually, I saw the tag of that thread by accident. I'm thinking if such practice is going in the right direction or not. It's a little like jranger. Now people use power to label a bad suggestion.
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Quote:If I may make a suggestion Power, Try not to let people know a tag bothers you. There are posters that will deliberately go out of their way to aggravate you if they know it bothers you.Originally Posted by Power_NA
Ok, I ok with ALL the power tags, but I don't really like the "dumb thread" tag Unless you are being funny then it is ok
Instead send a tell to one of the mods and ask them to remove it.
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Quote:They already have this type of mini-game. The devs call it PvP.Originally Posted by Power_NA
Oh, and you get xp, and $inf from the games that not in CoH.
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There I've added the tag Power surge. It references the way Power shows up out of nowhere with a surge of suggestions. Feel free to use it.
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Quote:Power's assuming the tag was meant as a compliment. It could just as easily mean the opposite. Someone else pointed out in one of Powers threads that his suggestions aren't always well thought out. So someone could be using the tag as a way of saying, "Don't bother reading this it's a waste of time."Originally Posted by Roderick
I think that he's asking that the "ideas by power!" tag be removed from this thread that he didn't start.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Okay, I actually DO like the idea of Birthday Gift but, as usual, Power's idea is completely ludicrous. Here's how it would work if DONE RIGHT.
On your ID card, you would be able to set your character's birth date. Characters who existed before this was added would be able to set theirs by talking to someone in City Hall or in Mercy's Arachnos base.
You would be able to change the birthday of your character once per 4 vet badges you have. This allows older players to fix mistakes easily, and it means younger players can't switch more than once a year to benefit. Your character's age can be displayed in your profile if you choose.
On your character's birthday, the following things happen.
-You gain 3 Mystery Gifts, plus a Holiday Spirit
-You gain the gold title "Birthday Boy" or "Birthday Girl" for 27 hours, starting at Midnight EST and ending at 3 AM (Midnight PST). If you're not in the states and this throws you off, well... Remember that both Paragon and the Rogue Isles are EST, so you're the one who's off, not the game.
-You and anyone in a team in which you have the Star can access the Chalet. Anyone who leaves your team is sent back to the main part of Pocket D.
-You gain the effects of a Luck, an Enrage, an Insight, a Sturdy, and a Break Free for the whole 27 hours. On your birthday, you are amazingtastic.
Note that by allowing you to change once for every 4 vet badges you have, it WOULD give longtime veterans the option of saying "You know what? I hereby declare today my birthday: Let's do a MSTF" while not getting bonuses so high that they last longer than just the day.
By making it character-specific instead of player specific, you get to experience it more than once a year and your RP friends can wish your character a happy birthday, knowing via gold title.
I'd rather have Ad_Astra jump out of a cake and sing happy birthday.
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Posting in a thread isn't required. Anyone can anonymously tag a thread, rate a thread with 1-5 stars, or give someone positive/negative rep. Only the Mods can see who did it.
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Quote:Oh! Now this idea I really like.Originally Posted by Leo_G
Why not a TF in the 20-30 range that has to do with something involving the Khelds? It'd make a lot more sense than just an arbitrary level.
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Quote:They're there, but redsides lower pop tends to send them scurrying back to blueside cuz it's so much easier to find people to mooch off of.Originally Posted by je_saist
I've had the displeasure of meeting quite a few players out to get to level 50 as fast as possible just so they could play Kheldians. One of them my SG and Coalies had a good laugh over because the player wanted a Warshade, and I quote, For the Forms. He had started playing quite literally 2 days prior, and had joined a Synapse for a quick path from 15 to 20, .. then quit when he hit 20 to go and do his cape / costume mish... then complained loudly over broadcast that after doing the Tailor mish he still didn't have capes.
I don't play villains enough to have run into anybody on the same bent villainside. -
Quote:This.Originally Posted by UnSub
I have a strong preference for costume unlocks to be account-wide, not character limited.
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Quote:I think players would be lining up to take turns to kidnap Powers wife and kids. In fact I bet they'd be willing to make throw away characters that they'd use to kidnap his family then not play the alt again so Power wouldn't be able to rescue them. Then Power would have to make a new family only to see them get kidnapped again. I can even see people doing this to him for about a year then they all log on at once and release their prisoners at the same time and watch Power's characters get swamped with bigamy charges and child support leaving his characters permanently broke and unable to earn any inf for himself.Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Awesome! I wanna be the villain trying to kill your kid.
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Lotta good choices suggested already.
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Quote:Sorry to burst your bubble but it doesn't take any work or experience to get a WS/PB up to level 50. Just a few months ago around Sept/Oct I ran across a level 42 WS that had no idea what enhancements were. His account hadn't been active for 3 months yet, and he'd gotten to that level door sitting while his friends PL'd him on MA missions. He didn't even know there were other zones outside of Atlas Park.Originally Posted by NeonPower
. . . i still think it is awesome when i see a lvl 50 WS/PB because it takes a lot of work and game experience to get a WS/PB up to 50 . . .
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_na
i just though of something really good!
Lets make something so you only can do at hollaween.
Lets, make atlas, and all the other dead heroes come to live and attack. Also you need to save there souls. After you save all the heroes souls you can go beat the ghost widow.... She the only person i could think of that could control souls, i guess we can make someone new
Stop suggesting ideas you are stealing from Champions!
Quote:The Blood Moon Rises
Save the Undead Heroes! Takofanes has trapped the souls of the Heroes who fell during the Battle of Detroit and are commanding them to spread ruin across Millennium City! Players who can save all 13 Undead Heroes will unlock the Celestial power set two weeks before anyone else!
Our devs are not going to risk a lawsuit from the very company they bought CoH from. -
Quote:Powers posts are an example of what happens when someone gets snowed in and can't get to the pharmacy to refill his meds.Originally Posted by Ad Astra
I know - Let's mush together two of the most hotly argued and denounced ideas EVAR on these forums into one single thread because someone is bored.
Oh, wait.... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Power_NA
The sever part, or name part?
I never see the sever one, and see the name one like, maybe 2 months ago
Don't lie Power. Not only have you made this suggestion in the past you've also posted in several of the threads on this topic that were made by other people.
Quote:Why server consolidation is not a good idea.
Welcome to the forum. You have posted one of the oft repeated suggestions, "Consolidate the servers."
Disclaimer
Yes. This is a cut and paste reply that I keep handy, as well as a quick bit of instruction on how to search. Neither are meant to cause fights or to be insulting. The search instructions are in, not just because forum rules say flat out to search, but to help you and anyone else reading this use the search tool effectively.
The body of the cut and paste reply is the way it is because we've seen these arguments numerous times before. They're a summary of the salient points that come up each time. They are not here to insult you, make you feel stupid or otherwise "bring you down a peg." Instead, they are meant as instruction and information. Please read through the points and the explanation behind them to see the issues that are commonly brought up in response. They may not always match your suggestion 100% - in fact, you may have explained around one or two of them - but they're there for consideration and refinement of your idea.
Yes, I do look forward to the time, with some of these suggestions, that someone not only addresses all the points, but does so exceptionally well. It'll probably be added to the end of the cut/paste reply, with credit. For now, though, read and consider the points. They really are just there to help you, and move discussion along to help ideas evolve.
If you're going to see this and say an "evil forum vet is just shooting down your idea," or "You think you're the last word because of your post count," you're wrong. Heck, if you say the second, you've just worried more about my post count than I have in the last four plus years. Tongue-in-cheek comments in here are meant as hummor, not put downs.
TL,DR section.
First, my stock answer, one which I stand by and repeat with all due fervor. HELL NO.
Searching effectively
1. Click on "Search" up at the top of the forum.
2. On the left, under "Forum(s) to search," select "Suggestions and ideas."
3. On the right, Keyword Search Terms. This is probably where your problem was if you did search. Try the following, exactly as typed:
+server -pvp -"re: "
This will search for anything with "Server" in the title, including Servers, Combine Servers, Consolidate Servers, and The Server At Mcdonalds Is Rude. it will eliminate "PVP," so you won't see PVP server requests, and the -re: portion of it removes replies, so you'll see the root of every thread that comes up, letting you see just how many threads there are on this. (The last helps for other subjects, as well.)
4. Click the "In subject" radio button. This is a search, not a cute blonde in a bikini. Here, you want to ignore the body.
5. Leave Username Search blank.
6. Date range, Newer Than, change the 1 to a 3, and the time to Months.
7. Result format doesn't matter. Click on "Submit."
As I try this now, (12/3/08,) we have:
Consolidate Server
Server Stats RSS Feed
$server modifier ofr chat
Fix the forum server
Earlyissue server
Merging low population server
Combine slow server
Server status
Global chat on the Character and Server Screens
Rated M server
Add Ponies, Nerf Vills, merge Servers, PistolMelee
Server Visiting
Display Central Time on Server Status Page
Ignoring the smartalec reply, that's three full discussions about this topic.
You should have read one of them if (inevitably) something similar comes up in your search.
Now, on to the topic at hand....
Why server consolidation is not a good idea.
1. Just because YOU like living in New York City doesn't mean I can't like Kansas.
Yay, you love having huge lag spikes as you get near the black market/wentworths and a busy broadcast. Congrats. Enjoy Freedom. Some of us - many of which you will get replies from with this subject - like *low population* servers. If we *wanted* to be on Freedom, we'd *be* on Freedom.
I have characters on Freedom. I rarely play them (and actually moved a character OFF of Freedom to finish leveling it to 50) because *I DON'T LIKE FREEDOM.* I dislike the banality of broadcast, the high percentage of *horrid* teams I've come across there, the lag around any gathering point- and I've got a decent connection and system. For much the same reason, I typically startin Galaxy City instead of Atlas Park - I don't *want* to log in to a costume contest with several 50s spamming powers and nonsense arguments in broadcast.
Some of us *like* nice, quiet servers.
2, Kansas, part 2.
In addition, servers have their own personalities. No, I don't mean that literally, there's no AI to worry about if you start hearing "Daisy, Daisy" over your speakers or headset. Freedom's a crowded mess. Virtue is the RP server. Pinnacle is the "Drunk" server. Others have specific communities, such as those from Australia/NZ, Europe, etc.
3. "I only saw one other person. World of Conancraft has eleventy billion!"
So what?
We don't run around camping spawn points in this game. People are in missions. People are spread across many zones. Search on a map or do a /whoall and you'll miss those in missions, as well as those who are, for whatever reason, on /hide. Your "search" there didn't give you a full picture, not in the least.
I understand the "feel" of things being "not very populated," but take a good look around when you're in game. Typically, you don't really have a lot of visibility. Standing in steel canyon, there could be multiple, full 8 person groups surrounding you, and it's likely you'd never see them. We have buildings, walls, architecture, trees and more limiting our visibility. Yes, it can make you feel more alone... but that's rarely the case. Add to that that the population is spread between many, MANY zones, most quite large, and among two sides... well...
4. "I put up my LFT flag and nothing happened!"
Learn to search. Don't just wait. Form a team yourself.
5. "I AM SPARTACUS!" No, not any more.
Remember logging in and seeing all those slots? Everyone has those - some buy more than the base 12, you get an extra one each year, you could have a total of 36 on any server. Everyone does. Every one has a character with a unique name. Maybe not a *good* name, but a unique one. Every one has a character with a unique name. Maybe not a *good* name, but a unique one.
Now merge servers. Suddenly, CoolBlasterDude from server 1 is getting merged with CoolBlasterDude from Server 2. Who gets to keep their name? Nobody has been able to answer this with any degree of satisfaction. Add a number? But I am NOT CoolBlasterGuy1. And what if the name's too long? Does the older character keep it? What if they're not as active?
People are *VERY* attached to their names. They are, quite obviously, part of their character.
6. "This Is SPARTA!" Sorry, Sparta exists already. You are GenericSG 8734 287 9798.
What else has a name? Supergroups. And I can *guarandamntee* that the same name is in use on multiple servers. Sometimes it's 'branches' of the same SG, sometimes it's coincidence. But with *everything* involved in an SG - from its identity and reputation on the server, to everything stored in the database about what it owns, what its base is like and such, this would be a disaster in the making. And no, auto merging them when the servers merge, even if they have room to, is not an option.
This, of course, assumes that they *CAN* move supergroups as a unit. More than likely, it'd just be a mass character move, with bases, prestige, anything stored in bases and all SG affiliations just gone forever.
7. "I am... where'd Spartacus go?"
Remember all those slots? Well, you start with 1/3 of the available ones. You can buy up to 36 total (24 on top of the ones you get initially.) Now, what do you suppose would happen if you merged two servers, and someone has, say, 20 characters on each? Not unusual. In fact, before those extra slots, I had *filled up* several servers. Do those characters just disappear? Do they move? Free move to another server sounds great, right... well, except you now kick them from their supergroup, remove them from their friends lists and more. This makes for angry and unhappy customers. Or rather, ex customers.
8. I will play where I damn well want to. And you can too.
And that should be blunt enough. If I want a crowded server, I'll go to Freedom. If I want an RP server, I'll go to Virtue. I do NOT want to be shoved onto another server I *don't* like. If I wanted to go there, *I'd be there.*
If the server you're on isn't "busy" enough for you, you have two options that won't bother anyone else.
(A) If it's low enough, reroll. You have a ton of character slots for a reason.
(B) If you don't want to reroll, server transfers are available, and relatively cheap. They also finish fast - you should be up and running and being spammed to join someone's SG on the new server in a few minutes, in most instances. So YOU can go to the server of YOUR choice without screwing ME over.
9. "It'll free up server hardware for Freedom!" No, no it won't.
Freedom, because of the load it tends to have, already has more resources dedicated to it than other servers. And ALL of the servers have been upgraded multiple times. The servers are not allocated exactly the same. The servers that handle less of a load have less dedicated to them. So this argument doesn't fly.
10. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Last but not least (at least until better points come along to be added,) server consolidation is widely viewed in the industry as an MMO going on life support. No, we don't have WoWs numbers (and you should actually pay attention to when and how they got those.) They're an abberation in the MMO industry. COH has had and does have a very successful, sustainable population even at its lowest points, so there's no economic need to combine anything. The flip side of that, of course, has been suggested above - you crowd people together, break up their SGs and friends lists, cause characters to go missing and poeple definitely *will* quit, both out of annoyance and a sense of "The game is almost dead!"
In conclusion....
As stated before, when it comes to server consolidation... HELL NO.