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Quote:Or they just make another free account. And lets not forget that the sub fee is what helps keep the RMT crap to a minimum. If we went F2P we'd be flooded with their garbage.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
And so what if people DO make threats? So what. For real, so what?
I think there is a fundamental disconnect in perception here. We seem to have two distinct groups:
*One group sees the entire playerbase as a large mass of people paying subscriptions, buying boosters etc. So as naturally follows, each one of those people - personally like them or not - is generating money for a game that all of us love, no matter how we might feel about each other on the forums or whereever.
You pay a subscription. So do I. So do people you and I like. So do people you and I despise. In the eyes of NCSoft, we're ALL equal. Like it or not.
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*The second group sees people they dislike as completely disposable: Have an opinion they disagree with? GTFO! They are the self-appointed arbiters of taste, and only people they like and agree with should be allowed to hold subscriptions. I can draw no other inference from the things I see being said.
SG members quit and now you're alone? Haha, GTFO already.
Dont like a particular game mechanism? TOO BAD, now GTFO and make it snappy!
Wait, I thought we were getting [x] in the next new thing released and its not going to be in there?! I was waiting 5 years for that. I am tired of waiting. I am cancelling my sub. Reply: HAHA, stop whining and GTFO! Who cares!
...the list goes on and on. And who knows, maybe the target of such unwarranted snark might actually take offense and quit. That's money out of the pocket of your favorite game, folks. NCSoft isnt giving [general] you brownie points for being mean to disgruntled people.
While I don't doubt that some people actually do fall under your second example, I think what you usually see happening when people respond to the "I'm Quitting" posts is tough love. A lot of the "ragequitters" are like a 5 year old that is always threatening to run away from home but never does because he just wants attention. So instead of feeding the drama many of us call their bluff and tell them, "Fine so go. Do you need a ride?" We know they aren't gonna leave. They've been here 6 years, and you can't drag them away if you tried. -
Quote:To use a metaphor, whose fault is it that they chose to open their Christmas presents early and as a result have nothing new to enjoy on Christmas morning? The devs didn't hold a gun to their heads and force them to buy the pre-purchase.Originally Posted by Garielle
So what you are actually arguing is that they should not have provided early access to these two powersets then.
As much as I have enjoyed having them, I would actually tend to agree with you. The fact that they have been around for a few months already seems to have caused some people to completely forget that they are actually part of Going Rogue and not just powersets that were added as part of the regular Issue releases.
The same people that are now whining about being bored with DS and DP were the same ones that spent months gleefully running around the zones bragging "Look at me! I'm a special snowflake! I have early access and you don't! When GR goes live I'll have all my 50's ready and you'll still be slogging thru the low levels. Neener! Neener! Neener!"
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I'd rather see them remove the level restriction on capes and auras for everyone. Lets not even bring vet rewards into it.
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Quote:I've seen people do this. Or I should say I know of one person that has claimed to do this.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I'm suddenly trying to imagine someone who buys a subscription to an MMO, but only to participate in their forums, and they never actually install the game on their computer.
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Quote:If the concern is applying the rules consistently then I'm puzzled why another post in this thread wasn't moderated because it's also against the rules to call someone a troll.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I think they did that to be consistent and not be accused of favoritism.
Nevermind I don't want to get in trouble for discussing things like that. I'll drop the subject and move on. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Slashman
I'm wondering how these 60+ vets who are bored, outraged and constantly quitting until new content comes, are contributing more to the game than new players who may also only stay for a few months at a time.
I think I see something you may have overlooked about those types of posts. If you do the math real quick you'll see that if the people that have a history of posting those "I'm Quitting" posts actually cancelled their subs between new issues then there is no way they would have earned 60+ months of vet rewards. So they are either lying about how many vet rewards they earned or they are lying about cancelling their subs, or the time frame their account was inactive was so short it that it can't be considered quitting the game. Like a month or so here and there spread out over 5 years. -
Quote:Originally Posted by je_saist
It seems a moderator is removing references to other NCSoft Games.
Wow. I understood that we couldn't talk about other companies games but it's really against the NCSoft forum rules to mention games owned by NCSoft?
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Quote:Originally Posted by mellloyellow
There shoulde be a free version for ppl who dont have a lot of money.
like you can play free until level 25 and the you can lock some zones for ppl who play free. and ppl can surcibe for $10.00 per month and when you sucrbie you get acess to going rouge expasion. and for free you can only create one chatcer and it can only be a hero and you have limted chocies. thats my idea
If you enjoy Free to Play games so much I suggest you try out NCSofts free to play MMO's and tell us what you think of them and if their game models would work for CoH. -
Quote:Ever hear of the fable of the Boy who cried, "Wolf!"? Your own post history shows that you've been complaining about things for 5 years yet you keep coming back. There's no reason for us to assume this pattern of behavior won't continue. Furthermore "I'm Quitting!" posts never evoke the "Oh Noes!" concern the poster expects. Instead they are viewed with humor and derision.Originally Posted by Severe
maybe you shouldnt speak for the other 60+ month players then.
pp is right..not only right ..but damn right! ..i want end game and the focus to be about me and my buttload of money ive spent here.not the 2 nubs who wont be here past a year and with subs dropping you better maintain the playerbase first! epic fail for that droppage too i might add
in the end...i cancelled both my accounts and so did quite a few also 60+ month players that i know. and do you wanna know why?
CAUSE IM FREAKING BORED!...i dont wanna do lvl 1-20 and never will again. i got 25 lvl 50s ..i dont wanna do new no travel power/stamina phase ever again and i wont.
So enjoy the break you are taking from the game. Use it to recharge your batteries. Your 25 level 50's will be waiting for you when you return. -
Quote:Just to be clear when I used the term "dedicated farmer" I was referring to a preferred style of playing any game not just CoH.Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
I havent farmed this game in over a year... so no, dedicated I am not.
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Quote:Well here's the post again. Where exactly does he imply endgame content is pointless crap?Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Yes he did indeed imply that endgame content is "pointless crap" compared to the delights of adding ever more lowbie content. All anyone has to do is read post #244 and see for themselves. I'm really not even sure why you would bother implying otherwise, but that's to the side.
Oh that's right, you can't because he never implied it. The only time he used the phrase "pointless crap" was here.Quote:Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Okay, now fast forward a year and a half. Are you sick of that new endgame content that you were begging for yet?
I bet you are.
We've been given endgame content several times already.
"What endgame content?" you ask?
That stuff you're complaining is old and stale. That was endgame content.
Any NEW endgame content will stay fresh and exciting.....for maybe two months tops. Once the quickest, most expedient method of completing it for the reward it offers reaches the masses, it will become just as old and stale as everything else.
The devs decided the move they were going to make was the move designed to give NEW players something to do with the game they just bought. It doesn't make any sense at all to market a game to potential new players and tell them "Oh, you need to get to level 50 before you can do the stuff we did in this expansion."
Sure, they could have done both lowbie content AND endgame content, but I would wager that if they had done that, both bits of content would suck because they rushed through it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I would rather have a smaller amount of GOOD content than a larger amount of pointless crap any day of the week.
There is no mention of endgame content. Just that the content be good. If it's good it could be endgame, it could be PvP, it could be Co-op, it could be TF's, it could be side-switching, it could be low end. He doesn't care what it is as long as it's done right.Quote:I can't speak for everyone, but I would rather have a smaller amount of GOOD content than a larger amount of pointless crap any day of the week. -
Quote:I'm pretty sure that's exactly why P_P suggested it be done that way. She is a dedicated farmer and would rather make farming easier for herself. I can easily see her starting a bunch of trial accounts to act as fillers on her main accounts team so she can get the most from her farming.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Also, scaling per person rewards upward based on team size in that dramatic a fashion would just put us back to fillers rather than scalers. That would be counter-productive.
And just to be clear I have nothing against people that farm, I'm just stating what extremes I can imagine one person is willing to go to. It's also not a personal attack on her, just an opinion. -
Quote:Lol. I think we both remembered the release date at the same time.Originally Posted by Primal
Well, apparently Mystery Men was released in 1999, and it was like 2006 that I saw him, so yeah. I'd imagine that character long retired and the player long gone.
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Years ago before CoV I saw a group of carebears dancing in unison in Steel Canyon on Infinity.
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Did you see the Pencil before or after the movie Mystery Men was released cuz he sounds like a knock off of Pencil Head a wannabe hero that showed up at the recruitment party at the Shovelers house.
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Quote:That's a reasonable expectation.Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I'm willing to wait too, but the longer I wait the more I will be expecting.
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Quote:There's nothing to interpret. Claws was quite clear when he made his post. He never said endgame content itself was "pointless crap". That was solely in your imagination and you had to take it out of context in order to get there. This is what he actually said.Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
oooOOK, I will bite. Translate: if post #244 is not a strong argument PRO-new lowbie content, and dismissive of new endgame content as "pointless crap," what exactly is it? Feel free to break it completely down and tell everyone exactly what it is; I'm curious as to your interpretation.
Quote:The devs decided the move they were going to make was the move designed to give NEW players something to do with the game they just bought. It doesn't make any sense at all to market a game to potential new players and tell them "Oh, you need to get to level 50 before you can do the stuff we did in this expansion."
Sure, they could have done both lowbie content AND endgame content, but I would wager that if they had done that, both bits of content would suck because they rushed through it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I would rather have a smaller amount of GOOD content than a larger amount of pointless crap any day of the week.
The devs chose to focus on low end content in order to attract more new customers.
Now why would they do that? because new customers start out with level 1 characters not level 50's.
Then Claws acknowledges that the devs could have worked on both low and high end content but doing so would probably mean that all the stuff would suck. So rather than getting content that was crappy across the board he'd rather see the devs focus on a small amount of content and do it right.
And if you want an example of crappy incomplete content the devs have given us when they didn't focus on doing it right you only have to look at the VEAT content and compare it to the HEAT content.
Besides we already know that the endgame content people are looking for will be released with I19 when the Incarnate system goes live. Oh and if you are wondering why the Incarnate system was pulled from I18, it was because of PLAYER FEEDBACK DURING CLOSED BETA. That's right, the PLAYERS convinced the devs to hold off implementing the new endgame content until I19. -
Quote:Just for the sake of testing to see what spawns have you tried -1x2?Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
It's the divorce of level and size that bothers me so much.
Different character, different group. +0x2 gave me a spawn of 4 minions and a LT, all +1. Last I checked, that shouldn't happen outside of, what, +1x3?
That's my main problem. x1 makes +0 groups yawn-inducingly boring. x2 makes +1 groups much too lethal for some of my characters. -
Quote:I'll say this. If they did merge the server lists and let the EU players have their own language specific servers they would still see an uprise in their populations because there's no way the NA players are going to pass up additional character slots. And I'm sure we'll see EU players joyfully making alts on the NA servers and chatting gibberish in their native languages. And I for one will be welcoming them with open arms even tho I'll have no frakkin idea what the hell their are saying.Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Now, also I don't know a lot about the EU servers, but I'd assume that merging the language-specific servers with a nation that doesn't speak that server really won't have THAT big of an impact in the player populations there.... I don't need to poolay voo or sprechen their deutch to team with them.
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Quote:Oh where have I heard this old song and dance before? Oh yeah, every single time a new game has been released over the past six years. We're still here and so are all the people guys like you claimed were going to leave and never come back. Everything from STO in February all the way back to WOW was supposed to kill the game and steal all the customers. And the doom never happened. So guess what. If the 800lb MMO gorilla couldn't kill this game off DCUO and SW:TOR don't stand a chance.Originally Posted by Severe
hey just saying..dcuo is out in november.
star wars mmo is coming as well...the longer you make me wait for real content not in the beginners class the less a chance i and alot more wont return.
lots of big deals coming out very soon. this year was NOT a year to skimp on things .
So don't let the door hit you on your backside as you exit the building, but don't worry we'll keep your stuff safe for when you return. And you will return. They always come crawling back. -
Quote:Let's not go down that road. I actually had an ERP pest bugging me whenever I was on a certain character until I bought the Science booster and scared him off by changing in front of him and returning his advances.Originally Posted by LISAR
If you didn't want to group ERP you shouldn't have been dressed that way!
I went from this
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Quote:One plausible explanation would be that he was the child of sexual assault. Read some Greek Mythology. The male gods took their sex from whomever they wanted, whenever they wanted, and by any means necessary.Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
1. why did a spirit of FERTILITY (life) mate with a god of TERROR (horror)??? the spirit of fertility could easily have been seen as corrupt by such a pairing thus easy to label any offspring as evil or corrupt as well.
Could easily be a divine form of martial Arts that no mortal could possibly have seen before, or the character simply learned a form of martial arts that isn't traditionally known to be used by assassins. The OP never specified and you are making assumptions based on facts not in evidence.Quote:2 When training in the martial arts you learn to identify other forms of martial arts. so by viewing your combat techniques (power use) he/she could have easily identified you as an assassin type which are generally not viewed in a good light
True, and the assassin you are referring to could have easily been an AR/Traps Blaster.Quote:3. perhaps said scrappers family/lover was killed by an assassin which he/she now has a natural hatred and distrust for.
Scrappers and Stalkers share the same powersets, and he would not be able to tell if the OP's character was using Hide, Stealth, or simply had Sprint slotted with the Celerity IO set.Quote:4. maybe the scrapper has an extraordinary ability to identify the powers and abilities of others just like other comic book characters.
Again with assumptions based on facts not in evidence.Quote:5. your character is obviously going through a personal struggle with the sides of good and evil so it could be easy to identify those types of struggles normally. given the fact that you use assassin combat techniques it could be more natural to assume you are on the evil (terror) side of things.
Total garbage. This game is flooded with sinister looking heroes and saintly looking villains. Costumes mean squat.Quote:6 what clothing (costume) were you wearing? by the way you dressed it may have been a dead give away as to your profession.
Now your grasping at straws. There's no way he could know who the parents of Moo's characters are.Quote:7. could have been that your european spirit of fertility parent mated with a god of peace, love, happiness and butterflies and left them to mate with the god of terror and the scrapper as a child was left hurt, feeling abandoned and harbors resentment towards any other offspring of the fertility god.
Now this is actually believable.Quote:8. praetoria is in turmoil between the loyalist and resistance sides so it would seem natural for people to distrust each other.
If you really have RP skills you sure concealed them with your list. Unless you were RPing someone that didn't have RP skills. In that case Bravo.Quote:9. the list of things can go on my friends so perhaps you all should expand your imaginations as opposed to using limited views and possibilities while rping.
10. some of you should try being more objective and not just agree with friends because it will not help them, the situation or the community.
11. i got rp skills yo. meow
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Quote:Translation: What ClawsandEffect actually wrote isn't relevant. B_I has decided it means something entirely different.Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
As for post #244, let's not be literal to a fault;
Having seen some of B_I's participation in discussions over the years I'm well aware of this behavior. Although I must admit that in her response to you this is the first time I've seen her come close to admitting it.Quote:Originally Posted by Schismatrix
To be fair, the part you're not seeing was either an addendum in B_I's head, or B_I has reading comprehension issues when any subtlety or nuance is involved. Most likely the latter. -
Quote:No. "Supersquad Leader" is a name some people use when they have examples of heroic masterminds thrown in their faces.Originally Posted by Dementor_NA
See, now there's a key error alot of people make; the mastermind archtype of City of Villains is not synonymous with "supersquad leader".
Splinter stays in the sewer hideout while his turtles go out and do the fighting. He doesn't get involved unless he has to. Classic Mastermind.Quote:Mastermind minions are generic, throwaway thugs. Splinter isn't a mastermind with 4 henchmen, he's a scrapper with 4 teammates.
Professor Xavier, arguably one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet, yet instead of using his powers he almost always stays behind at the mansion and sends his students (some of whom are minors, Kitty Pryde was 13 when she started out) out to fight battles. That behavior screams Mastermind.Quote:Especially true of Professor Xavier, not even close to a mastermind.
Oh and the way Professor Xavier can use his powers to subjugate crowds of peoples, steal their free will, and erase/alter their memories also tosses him into the Dominator category. He just chooses to use his powers responsibly rather than abuse them.