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The closest thing I remember to the plot the OP described was the one where Androids were implanting human brains in robot bodies. Checking the episode list I think it was the one called "State of the Art".

How about a power that makes them cast absorb pain against their will.

Hello . . . They had access to the Stargate, so all they had to do is dial up a planet with a home improvement store. Same goes for communication. They just gated to a Radio Shack silly.

Regardless of how silly or stupid you think jumping over water looks that's how water actually works. Objects travelling with sufficient speed along the right trajectory bounce off of water. Just like skipping stones. Same goes for flight. Anything can fly as long as it has enough lift and velocity to overcome the force of gravity.The same can't be argued for swinging. It just looks stupid with nothing to swing from. Thankfully our devs have standards about things like this.

Oh nevermind then. If you honestly think you were given a hostile reception then it's probably best if you don't post again and get offended by all the friendly and helpful responses. Thanks for trying to participate in the community tho.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
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Vehicles as travel powers. This gets brought up a lot.

Short answer, don't expect it.

Long answer:
There are a lot of problems with the idea.

1. Movement.

Forward and back,even turning - ok. But you can do things that a vehicle can't - such as strafe (direct side to side or angular movement.) It doesn't work with a vehicle. There are also issues such as drift and "realistic" handling. We can go side to side, as mentioned, and make immediate right angle turns. Cars... not so much.

2. Movement, part 2.

Go stand in the road. No, not you personally. Take your character out and stand in the road, if you're heroside. Or even in the path of civilians. What happens? You get pushed. While not as big an issue with a motorcycle, perhaps, a car would have issues. What happens if two cars meet head on - yours and an NPC, or yours and another player's? Do you just pass through each other? Would you be satisfied with that very odd result? Or would you get stuck? How about those NPCs, can they walk and push your car, or are they walking through it? Neither answer is very satisfying, and intelligent, dynamic pathing is too computationally expensive.

3. Terrain.

Not every place has roads, or even makes sense for "off roading." Go look at Founder's Falls. Go look at Crey's Folley. Or Eden. Try to get to the north islands in Talos. What, do you have a kubelwagen? Look at the Pit in Sharkshead. Try to use your travel power (car) to get up to some of the doorways in high caves. Cars and motorcycles would be more like Superspeed - horizontal movement, period. And look - I'll be blunt - flat out *stupid* tied with, say, Combat Jumping or Superjump.

4. Combat.

You get ambushed on the way. How do you fight? Just have your powers blast out of the rolled up windows? How do you buff or debuff? EVERY power would need a new animation. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Then you want people with motorcycles instead of cars. Redo ALL the animations AGAIN. And they still wouldn't make sense - how do you use Footstomp in a car? Or Stalagmites?

5. Customizing.

Yeah, it would come up. Not everyone would want a sports car, or a mid-70s Buick boat, or an exotic, or a minivan, or whatever else.

6. Making "sense."

This was touched on in terrain - how do you get across water? How about the Shadow Shard? And if you want downright ridiculous looking, go do the heroside 25-34 Respec. Look at the Sky Skiffs inside of rooms or the reactor room. It makes no sense and looks *ridiculous.* Something that, yes, the devs try to avoid.

That's just a quick overview of why vehicles as generally envisioned aren't a spectacular idea for a travel power.

Further discussion

This I think merits a bit of extra commentary, honestly.

"Vehicles" covers a lot of different ground for different people. Some only consider cars/jets/motorcycles vehicles. Others add jetpacks, wings and the like. Much of the above considers cars and similar sized vehicles, with nods to motorcycle type vehicles.

Jetpacks and such, I don't see happening as travel powers. As costume options for Flight? Or as invented pieces that interact with Fly, similar to wings? Absolutely - but they don't need to be a separate travel power for that. I'm all for more jetpack and wing (or combination) designs. Besides, there are so many "temp" jetpacks, I don't see introducing yet another one as really being feasable - just my opinion.

But vehicles - cars, specifically - as a travel power, have issues.
One way to have them "somewhat" work.

For all that, I know some people *would* still like to pull up in front of a mission. So how do we do it?

A temporary power, based on the same tech from the Mac/Valkyrie pack Mission Teleporter. The temporary power would:

(a) be an invention - dropping from enemies. (A reward, because you saved... well, we'll get to that,)
(b) be a single use each time - you can only hold one at a time, not one of each, one total.
(c) use rarely used salvage, because... it's rarely used, and cheap. No Luck Charms here.
(d) come in multiple varieties.

How does this get around the various issues?

Terrain - It doesn't pass terrain. It just arrives.

It follows the same 'rules' as the mission teleporter - it's not indoors, doesn't go to contacts, etc. Just mission doors.

Customizing - It's not "your" vehicle. It's a temp power. You've called a cab, limo, or other transport.

Power animation - since you're skipping the space in between, no powers can be used 'til you arrive anyway.

The varieties?
- Limo: Stereotypical slightly stretched black limo.
- Checker cab: The classic yellow cab.

No. SG's are working as intended.

We have missions that send you to the different factions but we could use more of them.

We already have features that allow dueling and random PvP. Dueling takes place in the Arena and random PvP takes place in the PvP zones. The reason you don't see them used much is because most of the players want nothing to do with PvP.

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You can't force people to participate in global events. People have been lobbyng to get the ones that already exist removed.

Looking forward to your next submission.

One problem that you may not have considered. Have you ever seen what jetpacks look like on characters that already have wings?

This is a hot topic that has been debated many times over the years. Here's the highlights of why we don't have vehicle travel powers from Memphis Bill.

So it's unlikely you'll ever see vehicles.

Other than a pogo stick what else is there that would work with superjump?

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Already been done a few times (See Cimerora, Praetoria, Rogue Islands) but I'm sure we'll eventually see some more added sometime in the future.

Not at this time.

1. Grappling Hook - Not likely to ever happen for reasons explained by FW.
2. Tunneling - If I recall I think one of the devs said a few years ago that tunneling wouldn't work. I can't remember the explanation why.
3. Floating pieces of Ice/Rock - That's called Fly which we already have. Those things would be costume recipes that appear when the travel power activates like jetpacks.

Only time I waste time buffing MM pets is when I'm soloing.

While I'll admit it's possible, it just feels like the writers never even considered it.

Doesn't mean that that shouldn't have been the first thing Scott and Greer did as soon as they got down there.

Scott or Greer - Stop where you are. We're tossing down a safety line. Tie yourselves off to it so no one falls.

Yeah that was funny. Greer saying he's tired after the missus rattled off how many kids and grandkids they had also made me smile.

And I think this is what you are misunderstanding. We aren't talking about the players that buff first and blast later. We're talking about the players that refuse to do anything but sit in the back and make no attempt to use their secondary sets, or worse deliberately gimp their characters by taking as few secondary powers as possible.

A lot of us don't care about how much damage a given defender can dish out as long as he's making an effort to try. And I'm one of the players that cuts people a lot of slack over power selection due to character concepts.

I'm not. As I clarified with Vanden just now,

Riiight. And when people found they could exploit the AE when it was launched they acted responsibly, reported the exploits, and never took advantage of them to the point where the devs were forced to step in and not only permanently lock out abusers ability to create story arcs but also delete characters that were created and powerleveled by abusing the exploits.

Sorry Vanden I never said that. In fact I posted just the opposite.

I think what's happening here is that since I'm the first one to point out the flaws in your idea and you can't think of a solution to them your blaming me for pointing out the flaws in the first place.

Where does it say that the higher level character only earns experience as if it were the same level as the lower level character?

It doesn't.

What it actually says is that if a higher level character enters a pact with a lower level character, the higher level character won't earn any experience, and the lower level character will get all the experience until the lower level character catches up to the same level.

That doesn't say that the higher level character earns exp as if he were exemplered down to a lower level.


You're getting confused about what happens when characters the same level form a pact and when characters of different levels form a pact.

Nothing in the game requires constant casting of buffs one after the other and prevents defenders from using their offensive powers effectively. Any player that claims that the only way they can contribute to a team is by sitting in the back and constantly casting buffs when the previous ones haven't expired yet are leeches.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they're free to use any playstyle they like. However we are under no obligation to team with them.

I want a teammate that actually participates and contributes to the team. Not some mooch that hangs back and lets everyone else do all the work. Running an Emp is not an excuse to skate on your other responsibilites.

The truth of the matter is most teams do just fine without an Emp at all. We've completed thousands of missions, TF's, Trials, without any deaths. We manage to stay alive with our health dropping far lower than 80%, no buffs, and we still steamroll over all the opposition.

Of course we aren't running around on autopilot.

So your saying that SyFy is trying to kill Sanctuary now.

No there isn't.

Yes they are collecting global names so they can spam you with advertisements. They need to get on peoples friends lists to get around the email filter which can be set to block emails from random people. Fortunately deleting them from your list will block their attempts to email spam to you if your filters are on.


Yeah that's not gonna work. I have my filters on so my mailbox doesn't get filled up with that garbage in the first place.

Because they aren't heals they don't count as heals.

I believe Vanden was suggesting they remove the 5 level limit as well as the limit on the number of characters that can join a level pact at the same time.