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I haven't defended any company killers. The corporates and the bakers union are both responsible for screwing over the majority of the Hostess employees.

Unions are supposed to be about worker solidarity not stabbing your fellow coworkers in the back by being stubborn and getting everyone fired.

Right. It wasn't the teamsters that put 18,000+ coworkers out of work by being stubborn greedy pancakes. But you keep telling yourself the bakers union are innocent victims. Everyone else sees them for what they really are.

Oh and if Vachon wants to expand their Canadian manufacturing and sell Twinkies to the US market, I say good for them. They'll be doing it without employing any of the people in the bakers union that worked for Hostess.

True, but for how long? And how easy will it be for those people to get new jobs in this economy? Especially since everyone knows the members of the bakers union tanked 18,000+ jobs so they could get a chance at a few more dollars in their pockets. I wouldn't hire any of them.

You mean they get rid of the f2p business model and switch back to subs which wasn't making enough money in the first place?

Hell no. That would just be an underhanded attempt to trick more money out of us before shutting the game down again but this time for actually not showing a profit.

So what. The Teamsters have union members working at UPS that get paid $29. bucks an hour, yet the Teamsters union chose to keep Hostess employees employed because they understood that a pay cut and steady work is right before Christmas is better than unemployment, no Christmas, and struggling to make ends meet.

No it wasn't. For a couple of years base rent and the exact amount owed has been linked to certain items that players can purchase for a base. Among those items are the storage bins. Restricting the ability to pay rent to subscribers prevented nonsubscribers who didn't want to buy extra storage from the Paragon Market from exploiting the base feature by creating a bunch of solo bases that were nothing more than giant storage bins for their accounts.

The devs always maintained that bases were multi-player oriented content and were stubbornly dead set against adding any feature that made creating solo bases more convenient.

But any nonsubscriber that was willing to invite a VIP into their SG's was allowed to get around the rent restriction and use bases for storage.

Even if they wanted to they couldn't do it. The ability to pay rent is directly linked to ones account status. They couldn't simply turn it off without making all accounts VIP.

If anyone had successfully managed to purchase the rights to keep CoH running making all the accounts VP would have screwed the new owners over, because people who never spent a dime on the game would have had access to features they never purchased.

Despite all that NCSoft didn't get around to disabling the players ability to upgrade their accounts with old box codes until the 19th of September. That gave players 3 weeks to upgrade their accounts and enjoy the final 90 days as VIP's.

Shutting off the ability to upgrade accounts had to be done once NCSoft was ready to start issuing refunds.

I'm sorry you missed out on the chance to upgrade your account to VIP status.

You know, after seeing some of the comments made by members of the baker's union on picket lines saying things like, "Shut it down, we'll get a better deal from the new owners!" I actually find myself hoping that whoever buys the rights to manufacture the Hostess products, takes it and incorporates those products into their own pre-existing manufacturing facilities even if it means everything gets moved to Mexico.

Talk about making people jump thru hoops.

Nope. Zingers are made by Dolly Madison which in turn was owned by Hostess.

Bingo. The bakers union is at least just as guilty as everyone else.

Yes actually it is. The Baker's Union is not the innocent victims you want to believe they are. They had the power to keep everyone employed but they chose to screw everyone over. No amount of spin doctoring can change that.

Same here.

Ya know what, now that you mention it I don't think I've ever seen anyone chatting either. I assumed it was because I play infrequently and at odd hours.

Okay got everything figured out and the channels seem to be working for me now. Not sure how it happened but when I copied the channels and pasted them onto my txt files I got a space before the slashes that I didn't notice. So everything was "space"/chat join.

The reasons Unions are disliked are the same reasons Management is disliked. Disreputable scumbags get into leadership positions and abuse their power/authority for their own personal gain at the expense of other people.

Both Unions and Management can be great when the right people are working together for the betterment of all instead of looking out for themselves and screw anyone else.

Thanks. I'll have to watch my copy cuz I don't remember that scene clearly. I recall the banter when they were watching a copy of the movie to find out where she was but not all the details.

Are you referring to the scene where he had coffee while watching the radar? As I recall his faceplate lifted up.

Oh I'll take CS into consideration if the problem is serious enough. For example:

When SW:TOR launched they had a problem with the security settings. The system screwed up something and people could not log into the game nor onto the forums. The only way to get it fixed was calling CS.

It took me two solid weeks of calling over and over at different times of the day just to get thru. Their automated system was hanging up on people instead of putting them in queue. Then once I got into the queue it was 4 1/2 hours before I was taken off hold.

A week before my free 30 days was to run out the launcher failed to work again, and I spent another week trying to get in touch with CS. The day before I was going to get billed for the net month I unsubbed. I wasn't paying for a game I couldn't even log into.


The most EC I've ever had was a million and that was a year before they went F2P. I don't even have that much on all my characters combined, and I've never felt that my gameplay was affected by it.