Evil_Legacy

basically.

I think if Titan is able to bring their buisness here, A_F have a right to complain about them here.

yeah. I have no qualms about Microsoft.
Just them Google folks.

yeah it went a little bit differently.

Hmmm looks like NCSoft is doing good. 4 games on the top ten, soon to be three with those three in the top 5.

yeah. probably my choice is Yahoo search engine. Me and Google dont get along very well (long story) and will be looking for news in the above post of mine news outlet. If it's important, it should hit there. And if you have any other sources that will call it down the middle or at leats make an attempt to appear to and not blatant propaganda for either side that would be fine to.

The bolded part is what I'm counting on over all.

If I can find one that is not plagues with or SaveCOH anti-NCSOft biased now. If you know of one, just point me in that direction and I'll add it to a watch list.

Yeah, never got that point in the buisness stand point but it seems to work. Havea weak storyline? Oh dont worry just add some "cute" musci artist in there and show some cleavage and people will flock even though the movie feels like it's killing brain cells from the stupidity.

Battleship *smh* that movie could of have been great even without the game tie in and you could tell stuff thrown in there just to appeal to "mass audience" and could tell it probably was done that way just to get funding as you said because it the formula works. The biggest money maker is sex, explosions, and famous name for a movie.

Indeed. The huge investments being made in MMO's these days don't seem to ever pay off. Whether this is just a WoW issue or not, I don't know. EA seemed convinced though that just by spending more money than Blizzard did, they'd be able to take the crown. Of course, also their definition of an innovative MMO, was cutscenes that had voiceovers, even though other MMO's have already done it.

Like big budget films do not gurantee success but some makers think the opposite. More big explosions, more cgi, more visuals, and more and more plots are nearly nill in many movies. It work for movies. Games, not so much and not as often. Gamers even serious ones tend to look for immersion and sometimes good graphics voiceovers and all the gimmicks in the world wont save a game if the storylines and game play it self sucks. The easiest way to beat WoW as it is now is to not to try to be WoW. People will compare that game to WoW and think, Why would I play this WoW clone here but only have 100,000 people when I can go to the real thing and be among millions? They will lose everytime. Innovations is more than just looking good. That may hold someone attention for the first month or two but after that, if there is nothign else, then the player will move on. Another reason many flock to WoW is the old standby reasoning of as long as there is millions there the less chance of the game going under. They feel secure over there while a game that has low population, true or not, is percieved as higher risk, especially a new game because naturally aftera while, the population tends to drop anyways. So if a game is a year old but only have 100,000 players, in about 9 years, there might be half to a quarter of that number while WoW in essence there might still be a few million players. People like to go where the party is at but no one wants to start the party.



Meh I dont think a car tells anything about personality or anything about the person. A car is a car and people have different choices in cars but not really alwaysa reflection of them. The average person right now may drive somethng because that is what they can afford but would upgrade to a more expensive car if they had the money but does that mean their personality changes too? Because first of all that tends to focus only on what that person is driving at the moment and assumption that is their only car. Some people that say drive a Prius cares about the environment, not into status symbols, frugal, down to earth, nice, and not materialistic, while someone that owns a Ferrari is materialistic, self centered, attention hungry, flashy, successful, burns and wipes with hundred dollar bills and etc but I know someone that owns both a Ferrari and Prius. What does that mean?

But you are right about one thing, humans are visual creatures and tend to simply judge others by what they wear, what they look like, what they drive and make assumptions about that person from there and think that shows them what and how a person is up to 75% but in reality it's just a sliver if anything.

cool stuff.

always thought having internet in 2000 was actually the norm I remember people going on and on about Everquest then so I thought it was common for online gaming. Hell, barely could make a middle/high school research paper without having internet.

But hey what is the norm in one area is totally abstract in another.

yeah forgot about that part. There is a minumum threshold.

About what would be the minimum population at about $15/month threshold for income for an MMO in order to survive with development on COX level, decent bug support, updates as often as here and minimum support to keep things going?

You think games would be better off just being themselves insead of trying to topple WoW and fail?

I think there are plenty of people that is out there that want something different than the usual WoW like games. On average, mention MMO to anyone and first game they usually think of is WoW, even though WoW didnt coin the term and wasnt even the first. Secodn in line is Everquest, if not WoW is not mentioned. Take those two then a lot of times it's blank stares as if they dotn realize there are others.

I think even a small game can be a success, even with 800 people playing if the cost to make that game run is on scale with 800 people. While it sounds good to spend millions and millions on updates for a game, staff and stuff to keep a game running, but if the game is only bringing in a few thousand subs, then maybe a cutback in staff and running costs is in order and when setting up a game, especially one that is in an untested market, or niche market, then the ability to adjust is a wise move.


Many niche market items dont sell much but is still considered a success while many niche market items are considered basically failures although they havea solid fan base. Corvette, or sports cars in general are considered a niche market, but still the Corvette is considered a success. Do it make sense, not much trunk space, cant carry more than one, big engine, ride stifffer than an old fashioned wash board although better than most sports cars, and a top speed where there is nowere to really test it out or land you with a big ticket or jail. Yet people buy it. On the other hand the Delorean, most people heard of it, but is considered a relative automotive failure although they still demand a pretty penny as a collection item and have die hard fans and it was unique in many ways. Or as GM said wit hkilling off the Eldorado, personal luxury coupes are niche and isnt selling well now, yet MBZ CL-class is said to be doing well for their range, BMW 6-series two door is not considered a failure but this just points that success also depends on who is asked what they consider success and their opinion. A failure in one eyes is a success in another and that is why sometimes, especially when a product is killed off, it seems a product that seems to be doing well is knocked off while other products that seem to be doing worse is still kicking.
There is not one fit all definition of success. For some it's merely as long as it's not losing money its success. For others, if it's not making x amount, then it's a failure even though it's covering it's costs. For some, if a game dont have this x amount of players it's a failure, for others, as long there is enough players to cover the bills then it's a success.

yeah.

I know, that is unless something happens that is news worthy. ANd that is all I will be looking for. It happens, good. It dont happens, good.

(facetious) But I can hope right?

What are you telling me I cant hope? You're against hope! You're a hope hater!" (end facetious)

yeah but can you get at least about 50-70% of players to do that?

yeah.

interesting.

buy cheap sell high

looks that article is what killed their value even more. Until the 7th there seemed to be a steady decline, then after the 7th steep decline. But those that bought stock in mid 2010 were hit hardest. Those that bought in the 2007, at least late 2007 or 5 years ago to be exact, are still ahead by a bit and some of them might be selling to cash in on their earnings before losing anything.