Evil_Legacy

But with the emulator, what kind of things go into effect that try to prevent hacking and in the case it does, what kind of procedures happens to keep hacking under control, prevent it from happening again, ways of identifying a hack, and who is in charge of hacking prevention?

With a fully sanctioned game, those things are probably already in place but how does it work with an emulator, especially one that is suppose to be hush hush or not wholly legal in the first place?

Mind you I know that if a hacker is good enough and want ot hack there isnt much to stop them just as if someone wants to steal a car, they will or if someone wants to rob a house, they will but that doesnt mean people leave their doors unlocked and or dont purchase an alarm system.

lmao.

Basically. I guess people forget that at one point in time most of us were at one point 12-14, but that doesnt mean we all were attention hog with apersonality and self worth depending on how well we fit in. Not all teenagers are or were that shallow and that fragile of self-esteem.

Some of us was fine whether or not we "fit in" and didnt have to try to fit in to feel worthy.

yeah but kind of understand the reason that enemy gain full health in CO. There is no debt and the pentalty for dying is less than slapping a wrist with a feather otherwise and anything would be easy if you threw yourself at it enough and wittle down the health. When you die, the enemy regaining health causes you to change your approach or else you will stay in the same boat over and over. I think without it then all content would basically be cae walk and one tactic "Just keep throwing yourself over there take out 10 hp and repeat process for the next hundred times until it dies." Now that tactic is out the window, after a couple of deaths or even one, it's more like, "Hmm what do I need to do to fight this guy or shall I call it a day because I'm clearly over my head with this guy?"

And the respawn thing means you have to be prepared before you go in. On one hand it can be annoying but it makes resetting missions easy for the stray bug I heard that can happen. Compared to here where it's at the mercy of the GM getting there in a timely manner or else having to restart anyways and hopping that you have a another mission to pick and or having to log out.

yea. People cant control other people's actions.

Yea no facebook or none of that stuff for me. I dont use anything that require personal information without reading their privacy policy and looking into the rep. of the company and if I dont understand it, dont like it, or dont feel right about it, then I'm not doing it. I dotn care how many people do it. That is their information and their lives and they do as they please with it, and this is mine.

If I want to socialize I go see them. If I cant see them, then I at least call.

yea seems to be the majority and it shows even more when they try to new games and one of the biggest complaints, is that it's not alt friendly or dont have many character slots.

I'm the journey to 50 and move on to another toon myself. I might dabble in end content to see what it's about with a character or two but to me, there is no reason to improve. There are no more levels to be gained, the incarnate story arcs are done, and usually after that it's tryign to get on a team for incarnate stuff, which seemed to consist of the usual three and magi farms, which get old fast outside the odd MoM or DD and other like the UG that comes around every so often and have to be basically in the right time and place, lucky and logged or else might find not much interest in it. So I make a new character. and after playing the end game, it became even more get to 50 and drop them. Probably one of the reasons I never bothered with rushing, or PLing or trying to get to 50 as fast as possible because 50 is the end for my stable.

hmm think I said this, privacy is what I value, and they called me paranoid.

Go figure.

One one hand a small community can be nice. But large communities are not always bad. Met more nice people over on WoW than here over all but I dont know the exact percentage as they have millions so more is expected. With that comes more of the other side, and this community has it's fair share but not sure if in actual greater proportion of WoW.

In the end, usually the smaller the community means less money, less money means more risk of being closed. Yet doesnt gurantee a nice community.

Oh yeah, I think COH could have fit with Watchmen, especially after the Going Rogue thing.

That is the question.

yeah. I have a feeling if NCSoft do give COX a whirl again, it probably will be more along the lines of the MMO leaders and how they do things, or turn it into COX-Fantasy style. Statesman a barbarian, Positron an elf, takes 504 hours to get to level 10 out of 80 and thats fast tracking, more loot stuff and costumes no longer there for looks.

yeah.

One of the reasons why none of their actions is not a single piece of suprising in anyway thus far. They have history of abruptly shutting down games, have history of not selling the IP, they are not hurting for money nor not much incentive for them to sale the IP/game, and like any buisness, they release the standard messages to their customers that is suppose to come off as if they are actually caring.

It's like a letter from an insurance company that is saying that "we're sorry but we have to drop you from the policy due to unforseen circumstances" and knowing good and well if it was honest it would read, "We are dropping you from the policy because you are costing s too much money." Yet, on their behalf I dont think really no matter what NCSoft said or didnt say, the reactions would be the same. People still would be just as angry and nothing that NCSoft could say or do short of taking an action that would benefit the player only that would calm them down. They could of said, "f-you all" or "we hear you and we will look into it." People will still be just as angry because simply because they are angry.

basically.

Yea figured so. I guess that includes even if the money is merely to cover the operating expenses and stipend to the people that does the work.

Which I wonder, in theory, what happens to the extra money that is laying over if say there are more than enough players to cover the expenses? Is that returned to the players, pocketed by someone, or what

yea some games dont feel like games at all. feels more like work. COH had a balance but started to go more on the average grind fest towards the end. Not that it was a bad thing as I think it was meant to keep players that were looking for a little more grind around.

well....that is the truth there.

sounds about right. As many games we mocked games usually inside gameplay here and did nothing when other games died except shrug as someone once said, "meh they wasnt that big of a game anyways" without any regards of the community and how they felt about their game closing. Now it's our turn and I didnt expect all of them to rally to our support with open arms as bad as many here talked about them and didnt nothing to help when other games went down hill.

true.

Yes but unlike those paintings mentioned, which entered public domain iirc, the IP is still owned by NCSoft directly. And the keyword there is money earned. Money earned off work of someone else that they are not getting compensation for nor was purchased from the owner. Making money off a product that they have no ownership of. Sounds illegal in the trademark/copyright/IP law realm.

Wouldnt it be better to just wait and see what they do with it first and get it the legal way? Or just create a new game instead of this illegal stuff? As mentioned earlier, I dont see the logic in investing time or money is even less stable and can be shut down anytime or interupted because of NCSoft wants a cut and or wants people to stop making money off of their work that they paid millions for, even if that money is just to cover the maintence, it's still charging people for a service and is still is income.

Why not just ask if they would bless an emulator version of the work instead of trying to take it by force and go through all the risk and trouble. 8 years seems to be considered young for this game, and at this rate, it may not make it half that depending soley on NCSoft's move anyways.

nope. assuming the other person didnt know the other one existed.

Seeing as how it's well known by players this IP exist and owned by NCSoft, then it would be. But if it so happen that somewhere that two people developed the same game with the same code at the same time and one sold, and the other one is sitting underground somewhere waiting for it's chance, then by all means. Yet, still, legally they still would have to prove that this was the case.

not to mention that with the talk of making a emulator here on this forum, that case went down the tube. It's just blatant stealing. Given that they know the IP isnt theirs, yet they decide to just take it anyways regardless.

Depends if you bought the product in the first place. If the person selling an item didnt buy the product or stole it, then yeah that is stealing.

See, players did not buy the IP, they just rented a small time share to use it to play and bought the software to access this game.

Now your example is like if NCSoft sold the IP and you turn around and sell it as property you purchased outright. Seeing as NCSoft if the property owner of the IP, it would be like raiding a neighbor's garage with no permission and selling that item at your garage sale.

basically.

Especially the code part. Many simple suggestions that even the devs thought would be a god idea and wanted to implement couldnt be done in a timely manner due to the code.

true. but when it comes to data, replication can cause a loss of value to the original data. I guess the better analogy is being an artist that is trying to make a living.


You paint a picture out of your own mind, and someone offers to buy it, you decline, so they replicate your picture and sell it as if they created it. Not to mention they made cash off your stuff and didnt have decency to cut you in on the profits but because you wouldnt sell it to them and they felt you was wasting the picture, they just "took" it and claimed it as theirs.

I think it's more like them putting it into a safe.

Yet, if you break into a junkyard as much useless stuff they have there and take something, it's still is stealing, assuming the dogs dont get ya first. Or like someone turning down an offer for a tv that is going to a basement and someone just coming in and taking it, still is stealing.

It is their property and they have the right to do what they please with it, even if it seems as illogical as turning a Rolls-Royce into a hunting buggy, still it's it their property and their right to chose to sell it or not. It's not yet in the trash can or else it would been open in the trash bin for the public. Seeing how they didnt release it to the public, it seems to be still in their possession and just taking it, is stealing.

Most people have stuff around their house they are not using or what not, but doesnt mean that someone have a right to just invite themselves in and take it because they think you are not using it often enough or properly or say that you are not planning on using it because you stop sharing it with them and they still want to use it.