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Quote:well too bad you didnt notice that this post came first. Secondly if it's an illegal one, yeah I'll happily watch it burn.Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
So, stay off the CoX emulator. Its not like someone is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to log on.
Why would that be an issue for you, anyways? I thought per your earlier post that you were going to hang back and "enjoy watching it burn" or words to that effect.
Stay classy, y'hear?
Third who ever said it was an issue for me? I just simply stated that some people, as they stated, did not have good experience with emulators.
Anyways, if ya looking to start trouble, for no reason, I'm not going for it today. nice try though. Have a good day. But when you do try to start trouble at least get the facts straight like the burn comment came afterwards. And try to not make it so obvious next time. Well enough entertaining you, but thought I at least set the facts straight first. The least I could could, you know, staying classy. -
Quote:yep there is plan Z in the discussions but on the other hand some are talking about going the emulator way. I remember one guy over there that I Burnt the Toast has a similar name to, named Burnt Toast, is part of these talks about emulators, illegal ones included. Some went as far as saying they will copy exactly the stuff and just shuffle the servers around to prevent shut down. Some say that they are going to set up where techically copying and emulating IP is not illegal, yet still wrong as it's stealing someone else stuff IMO. Others that are part of this talk are Olantern, Sin_Stalker, TinFoil and so on. SOme are for an emulator even an illegal one, and some are against. Some say stick with plan Z some say go emulator. All on TitanNetwork forum. What? Think I didnt want anything to do with them before checking them out? Not to mention a friend over there wont leave me alone about those dang efforts and how it would be good to join them. Right, I probably go over there and say nothing but hi, and someone will start some crap talking about trolling. No thanks, but unfortunately thanks to someone in RL that wont be quiet about it I have more of an idea of what is going on over there than I wish to.Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
Not sure where the emulator talk is coming from with regard to Titan's Plan Z. From what I have seen it's all a proposed "new" project not a CoH emmulator down to new villain groups, city names, etc. A bulk of the emulator talk I have seen is here on these forums in a certain thread and since that rug can be ripped out from under anyone attempting it, at any time, it's unlikely that is the direction Titan wants to take.
I feel what the Titan Network hopes to accomplish is grand. If CoH can't be saved then Plan Z will go into effect and that will be, based on what I have read, a completely new game that is only a spiritual successor to CoH, not an emulated version of it. I, sort of, want to see them do it anyway becuse the passion involved is simply amazing.
The only talks I have seen about CoH is if NcSoft is willing to part with the IP and let it be run, possibly, by the player base. That would not be an emulator, but rather the continued existence of the game as it stands. If a development team can be gathered to continue working on it, at that point, grand. But again, this wouldn't be considdered an emulator but the continuation of the game itself, which is (from what I understand) what we all want.
NcSoft is not going to continue CoH, that much is fact. They are done with the game. The only hope we have of it being saved is in the form of another development house, even one of the player's creation. -
Quote:ok, if you say so. All of this didnt just out the blue start happening in Aug. It got worse, yes but not new.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
With you playing the part of yellow, yes. Except not since i6, but since the end of August. Seriously, this is the last time i'm bothering to acknowledge you since you are obviously just not clueless, but willfully ignorant and contrarian. You constantly misinterpret, distort, and exaggerate, and i'm pretty confident it's not even really conscious. It's not worth pointing out when you're irrefutably wrong since you'll either ignore it or through some arational process convince yourself that being wrong means you were actually right. You're less like a brick wall and more like an unfunhouse mirror.
Just stating what I observed and of course your statement dont seem to prove anything to the contrary of that.
Now I'm confused, you say yellow is me but you basically made a that post that covers all yellow that you higlighted to the point. Starting with saying my opinion is invalid, all the way down to "i'm still a bad person." Are you talking about me or yourself?
But I guess I'll never since you said you are not going to be bothering with me anymore. Well alright then, have a good day then. Nice talking to ya. -
Quote:Sounds like normality for here since at least i6.Originally Posted by Khellendrosiic
All these threads just start looking the same.
"NCsoft sucks"
"Your opinion is invalid, they're allowed"
"They still suck"
"Your opinion is still invalid because you're being illegal"
"It's not illegal"
"Yes it is"
"No it's not, here's why"
"Yeah whatever you're still bad people"
Ugh. Can we go back to discussing lore or something? Maybe talk about the stories we would have gotten in i24?
Just replace the subject with any subject and that sums up the average convo. -
Quote:It's not a show of support for it at all and my previous statements still stand for the actual content that they relate to.Originally Posted by Ogi
Perhaps it was the previously demonstrated lack of support for and bordering on outright dismissal of SaveCoH that caused your sudden support to be taken in the wrong tone.
It's just that an observation that it seems that people can have emotional attachment to games and if they are aiming to get more people for the cause, then this may be a good time to go for it and get more.
But i keep that in mind. Judge not the content but prejudge from past posts regardless of what it says. -
Quote:basically.Originally Posted by Starsman
A copyright claim like this will likely be tossed out the court automatically (one that attempted to claim ownership of some one's IP just based on an ELUA.)
Some people have a bit too much of a phobia to lawsuits, but not all lawsuits get to court. I'm not exactly sure who is in charge, or the exact process, but once you file most types of lawsuits some one will look over it and decide if there is a valid case.
Even if some one contested it, this is one of those cases that would be so easy to win, you can safely say "bring it" and counter-sue for all court costs and lost time.
Just to make this bit clear:
I own Starsman, his concept, backstory (that has zero dependencies on the CoH universe) and general appearance.
I can not, however, extract his 3D model and use that 3D model freely, that model is made with NCSoft owned art assets. I can do whatever I want with it in my computer, though. Just not distribute any material generated with those assets.
I can, however, sit down in blender and model my own Starsman, or go to Champions and create the closest thing their tools allow me to create. -
dont see anything petty about gaining momentum by getting more people to join the cause. The cause is not only to save COX but to put the practice of game makers just pulling the plug just like that at any moment into the lime light from what I gather. What better way to do it then by joining the facebook gamers that are feeling the same thing many here are feeling? It's like a gift drop to that cause.
I know some people are as deep into farmville and other games there and put in lot of effort into it just as many have in this game and may have emotional attachments to it.
Some of those same people may be MMO gamers too, some may not be and now know it feels to lose a game they like like people seemed to have felt it here.
Not sure what tone you imagine that statement to be in but it is not the tone you probably thought it to be. Would it have been better if spoken by someone else? Or is the prejudgment of words tone in play and assigning a tone to the words based on animosity regardless of what I write? -
Different company different policies.
I think EA and Sony have shut down games in more abrupt manners than NCSoft have done here. Yet, there are companies that let a game rot to death for a year before pulling the plug.
Some games are advertised as on the verge of being released, people waiting, then all of a sudden they cancel out before it even goes live. While some let the game go live knowing it's a stillbirth and let it fall apart months after that. -
Quote:right.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
He just did.
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Yeah.
then yeah, my error, I would have prefered he just /jranger instead of his usual replies then. -
Quote:then explain your version of /jranger.Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Clearly you don't understand the /jranger.
Disagreeing with someone is not what it meant. Posting a contrary opinion is not what he did.
He just replied "no". If you think Forbin disagreeing with you is /jranger you are as wrong as wrong could be.
But from what I gather from you is that then I rather that he just simply said "no". Better than trying to attack a person personally to show he disagree instead of focusing on the idea and disagreeing with the idea. -
Quote:Oh yeah not many fallback options once COH is gone.Originally Posted by Black_kaos
You brought up a good point about Tabula Rasa but forgot to mention this one fact: Tabula Rasa was not anyone's FIRST choice of MMo. Most of their players had, at one point in time, started off as a Coh/V'er so it was simply trying out a new product. When it was shut down, the good ol' standby City was still around to jump back in. Now that COH is gone(sadness), there is no "fallback" option.
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Quote:interesting.Originally Posted by Rubberlad
I'm starting to realize that the decision to pull the plug on City of Heroes may *not* have been NCsoft's call alone after all... I advise folks to keep an eye on their majority investor, Nexon, for the next few weeks.
June 8, 2012: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...biggest-holder
October 5, 2012: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaud...ure-of-gaming/
October 19, 2012: http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/10/...d-quarter.html
But holy crap, 1.3 billion player registrations?! that is a lot of people and or registrations. -
Quote:go figure.Originally Posted by LtZerge
A really really long time ago, back when I was just starting out, I posted some suggestions for the game. One of them was a mastermind secondary power-set with a natural theme that was basically empathy, but a little more subtle and with some more buffs/debuffs than healing. Powers like Rally(PBAoE Heal), Invoke Rage(ally buff version of Rage with a different crash) and Break Morale(Enemy AoE debuff, -def/res). It was way before pain domination.
Jranger didn't Jranger the idea, he liked it, he just said it would never happen because MMs with healing abilities was too OP.
Haha
"Never" in this game really means "eventually".
Seems likea lot of the features in this game we have now was at one point in time considered a "never going to happen" idea. -
Quote:So by this you are following and abiding by Hit Streak's plea? Doesnt seem like it.Originally Posted by shadow35
Are you Contrary Mary in your home and professional life too? You are one nasty, negative chick who is mad at the world and taking it out on every person you come across, no matter what the situation, and no matter what the post on these forums.
Did you not read Hit Streak's plea to stop attacking other forum posters? Your English is generally not too hot, but are you really that illiterate?
The best thing about CoH closing down will be that no one will have to be subjected to your posts anymore. You should start dating Brillig. The two of you were made for each other. -
Quote:Basically in a nutshell.Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But--and please heed this warning, Tony--there's a difference between openly holding your ground and spitting in the publisher's direction while saying "bring it." If you're not willing to hold your ground, you might as well not even begin; holding your ground in this case meaning contingency plans for dissemination of your code into the wild in the event of a worst-case scenario. This should always be about the longevity of the emulator, and fans playing the game for years into the future, and not necessarily the longevity of your team's investment in it. Right?
Most importantly, have some class and respect. You ought to never forget that NCSoft made this all possible. The moment you allow your community members to bash NCSoft anywhere near the vicinity of your emulator is the moment when you'll deserve a cease and desist as far as I'm concerned. -
Quote:basically.Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
TonyV, you never cease to amaze me in your rabid ignorance of reality.
You do not own the software, you never did.
You don't even own the characters you copied out of the game with your toolkit.
You rented all of it. The whole time. From day one.
NC owns all of it, every single bit and byte.
Plus, they are not going to do bother with any legal action until such time as an emulator is up and running, as they cannot take legal action on the ravings of some rabid game fan-boys who claim they are doing something until there is an actual thing that infringes.
Now, if and when you get something working, if no one ever makes a dime off of it, if it has the low profile I expect it to have because the actual number of people interested will be tiny, if NC never plans to re-use the IP, then and only then you might not get the weight of the NC legal arm after you.
That's a lot of ifs.
Not to mention the fact that you are doing everything in your power to raise your profile with them, giving them an additional reason to go after whatever you get running.
You are setting yourself for a huge failure.
The only reason it makes me sad, is that you are taking others with you who might not realize it. -
Quote:lol. my bad.Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Heh, i may be having a bad writing day with not properly wording replies.
I was describing the differences between that case and what's happening here, with CoX that will soon to be no longer be running and NCSoft not having as large a coffer as Blizzard and if the people involved small enough, may result in NCSoft not bothering with them.
It wasn't meant as a how-to instruction for skirting the law.
yeah, NCSoft might just not bother with them. But if Titan is making even 10% of the effect as they claim they are, NCSoft would be fools to not be watching them and they probably already on the map. But more Titan is more like a knat at a bbq to them than the missle they envision themselves to be right now to NCSoft so unless someone rats them out, grow a large following or start making money, then NCSoft might just feel it isnt worth the cost and pass them by.
Although I dont think whether it's running or not have that much of an effect. I bet if Ford just up and went and started making Oldsmobile, GM would sue the crap out of them even though the last Oldsmobile came off the line in what? 2004? and no plans on bringing it back. Yet if some backyard dude builds one for personal use only, GM probably wont give a crap. But if someone opens a small factory and starts making cars and calling them Oldsmobile and making money off it even if to break even or even if they are running in the red and GM get wind of it, they probably send a stop or else letter to stop using the name and if applicable the emblem/design. -
Quote:So how is a emulator ran with no money?Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Can't really comment on the legalities of server emulators but there might be a precedent when Blizzard won $88mil with their case against an emulator operator that they could possibly use.
Although in that case, it was a for-profit emulator service hosting a large playerbase of 32k and the main legitimate game is still operational...and well, it's Blizzard and they have a ton of cash for legal fees.
So if SaveCoH avoids some of those, maybe NCSoft won't bother pursuing legal action.
I assume if you charge money, even if it's merely to cover the cost, that is still income off a product that may not be the emulator operarator's property to rake in money off of? I doubt that "Oh I didnt make a profit. I only charged enough to pay the staff and keep it running." would stand up much in court.
Plus I doubt NCsoft is a slouch in the legal department themselves. They may not even go for 88 million. How many emulator operators can pay say even a 5 million dollar judgement? 2 million? Or even half a million without it killing it? And if NCsoft plan on holding on to the IP, that means more than likely they have a reason to. -
Dont recall anyone saying an emulator was illegal but we are talking about the illegal emulators. You know the ones that break actual laws like copyright laws and stuff.
If it was that good and easy to do as someone made it seems, I havea feeling it would have been ready to be up and running now with not much, and as someone pointed out, many people on the Titan network advised against it and Titan is not endorsing it? Why not? But in a way it was already obvious since they didnt remove the emulator that is planning on using illegal methods then it would seem they would endorse an illegal emulator. And if it is so legal and safe, then why not endorse it and or get to work on it? Either way I want to see this emulator just so I can see what NCSoft does, especially if it's the illegal type. I wonder what the Titan Forum's residence lawyer have to say about this illegal emulator thing that is being planned there, and I'm not talking about using the base I'm talking about the planned one that is talking about a direct copy of everything possible, even stuff that may or may not be trademarked and or under copyright.
And I guess NCsoft is suppose to answer to Titan now or else face the "wrath of god" if they dont answer when Titan says and how they want an answer? lmao. With that attitude, I really really wonder why they dont want anything to do with Titan or anything that appears to be coming from them or is replying to them. Go ahead and turn up the "heat" on them, I dont mind a little entertainment. I doubt it will convince them to all of a sudden reply "As your service, master." Probably more like "Dang, another email from these Titan nutcases. Put them on the ignore list with PETA and Al Qaeda. We dont want to get caught talking to them." -
Quote:lol. not denying that, but what corporation isnt.Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
NCSoft are doodooheads.
but these are doodooheads with the power and just to be "doodooheads" they may just ignore all efforts and sit on it.
And another fact we cant avoid either is that they are the ones that hold the cards and have home court advantage and own the ball. Like the old saying go, "Well if you dont like it, you can take your ball and go home?" Well, I think they just did. To win this they dont even have to do anything but wait it out until the effort comes across more like raving lunatics and burn itself out. Which it is heading down that path. Just hope they dont become law breaking raving lunatics. Dont think there is a crime against being insane yet, but sure is one for stealing. -
Quote:yeah.Originally Posted by Scythus
Oh please, Elizabeth Bathory had him beat by several hundred years.
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Quote:yeah. I need a good laugh at watching something like that burn.Originally Posted by Scythus
What? With the things that companies have done to P2P websites and networks these days? It'll be the latter, and it will be extremely... well, I let's just say, I wouldn't want to be the people who coded the emulator.
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Quote:Yeah, that is when it will get real interesting.Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
It is not humanly possible for me to care less about what they plan on doing with whatever reapings they think they can get for City.
This whole mess says either contract violation or vendetta.
I'm going with vendetta. spite. plain and simple.
The real fighting hasn't started yet.
The real fighting starts when the servers go down, and when NC tries to peddle their products on any website that has....forums.... feedback.... expressions of public opinion...
THAT is when it's gonna hurt THEM.
But I wouldnt get the hopes up too high. I mean 21,000 signed a petition is many in the gaming world. And then have to hope that the gaming world cares as much as the players of this game does. Remember even though NCSOft killed Tab. Rasa. many still played here regardless and the players of that game was just as pissed as the players of this game are now. Yet, people only mention that NCSOft killed that game, yet, played for years and put a lot of time into their product again.
When this game goes down, this is another chance to show that the players are dead serious and not just whining today until a new shiny game come out and they flock to give NCSoft their money again, like the 5-6 past times. If they stay true to their guns and truely do not bother with NCSOft, then maybe it might put a nick into their money flow. But the way other games shut down and the market kept going, I say within 6 months, it will be buisness as usual and NCsoft will still be around like nothing even happened like COX never existed. Unless the movement stops playing around, posturing, talking and get to the grinding stone and walk it. Or else, it's another group of angry players that will either fade away or buy another game under NCSoft belt, especially if they pull a low blow and bring out COH2. Then that is when it really get to see who was serious about not giving NCSoft another dime. -
Quote:probably. But as a poster said, they would just ignore the C&D order anyways (Like NCSoft dont already have their information) it anyways. And that is when I want to watch to see what happens next. Would NCSoft just say "Oh ok. Well they said no, so we are going to leave it"? Or will they send the big dawgs of the legal offices now?Originally Posted by Scythus
I'm expecting that emulator, if it ever gets up and running (with the game code being "all sorts of spaghetti" such hopes look doubtful), will be slapped down by NCSoft with a C&D order. It's the type of thing they'd do, just to piss in everyone's cheerios.
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Quote:well as history has shown a company that starts off with good things doesnt always end in a good way.Originally Posted by Codewalker
4. If you're that paranoid about the EULA (which is mostly bogus, if you read it you'll find that it's quite difficult to actually play the game without violating it in some way), then why were you on Titan to begin with? Where did you think all the data for Mids, City of Data, *the Wiki*, Sentinel, etc. came from?
For some NCSoft, about 5 years ago, the savior and praised for saving COH but today, I dont think I've seen many praise, even though they did save COX from the shut down fate 5 years ago that it's in now.
Titan did good work on that stuff, but now...I'm not even sure they know what is their next move. Some are talking about "turning up the heat" on NCSoft in a not so nice way, what ever that means. Some are talking about Plan Z and some still talking about the emulator illegal or not and some seem, more than one, and more than a few seem determined to go along with it. And dont seem like Titan is not doing much of anything to distance itself from that plan. That is like a me and a group of people setting up a KKK section here and it not being removed. What that look like? Like the people that run the board do not mind it being there and may actually endorse it. And none of this stuff even required going to Titan forum. Seems like many just come over here and post links of what is going on. Wasnt there a thread not too long ago asking about if people would play an emulator even if it's illegal or not? Wasnt there a thread about plan Z here. TonyV used to come here and make his speech rounds about whats going on over there and etc.