EvilRyu

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War Witch, Level Designer who's doing the Hollows Gameplay Makeover, wanted me to point out that the changes are to address spawns and that there are no significant art changes (like moving buildings, etc.) being done with the changes.

We'll have more information and details about all the features of Issue 12: Midnight Hour in forthcoming web articles.

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So war witch is the dev who places the npcs in the zones? Well please tell her this, if we are to do missions that are hunts specifcially in a certain zone then we need to have enough npcs and at the PROPER LEVEL RANGES!!!. I dont know how many times I get a hunt mission to kills something and the stuff either doesnt spawn enough of them in the zone or they are so far in level above me I end up having to hold on to that mission for 2 or 3 levels just to be able to do it otherwise I have to drop the mission.

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So what order to the INSP get cast? Hopefully the Awaken hits before the Break Free so you are up, full health, full END and ready to go....

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Its going to be one of those big inspirations anyways, the big wakies dont stun you like the smaller ones do.

Question on this, I have heard many conflicting reports that stealth powers can cause the heavies not to spawn, if this is true is it due to the way some stealth powers lower your threat rating?

Thanks, I been needing these badges for a while now. Any chance you can get the invasions that happen throughout the day to happen closer together so we have ample time to get these badges.

Anyone know if these pets draw aggro to themselves or not? If so then alpha strike fodder FTW!!!

In light of the new tf change I feel that the devs are full of it. They choose to change TF/SFs all because some folks can run the cap sf really fast. They do that but dont even change one of the biggest recipe exploits in the game with the sewer trial. I have been on a team that did the exploit once and it was so fast that it even blows issue 9 speed Katie out of the water. So why isnt it fixed?

Just to be a jerk sometimes I got the /release_pets command on a macro, this also insta-kills the table if you dont want others using it.

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I'm going to add my voice to those opposing this change.

I don't like the idea that my current ONLINE gaming can be affected in any way by OFFLINE players.

The need to "screen" my potential teammates is just an added inconvenience when forming a TF. At an extreme, it's downright rude.

You're creating a situation where a team has an ADVANTAGE from kicking players! I don't understand that.

I think the behavior this change actually will encourage is not the type of behavior you really want to be encouraging.

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This is exactly what I mean. It is like they are not even thinking these changes thru before they put up a patch. If this patch has to go thru then do this if you wont allow us to kick people who are not logged in. Give us the ability to see what toon a person is playing as if you put them on Global ignore. Currently you dont see anything about that person if they are on global ignore. I think this is the only other way. I can create a blacklist for the TF/SF Quitters and Griefers so I will be able to know at least for that account if a person is a bad player or not.

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This change and the previous one is bad because it still allows for some teammates to grief your team should they choose to log off and not quit. I have had it to happen twice since the first change on a few tfs I have done. Once on Katie hannon and once Sara Moore TFs. We need a way to be able to kick people from the team that are not currently logged in. Secondly neither of these changes have done anything to address the reason why this softloading of tf/sfs happens in the first place. If the recipes that people can actually use were more readily accessable we would not be going thru this now in the first place. Either address the issue with the drop pools or you are doing all this for nothing and all it is doing is punishing the rest of the playerbase instead of farmers.

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Understandable and thanks for the feedback. However, I would have to advise you to better get to know the people you are grouping with. Simply put, if someone has a reputation for such, don't engage in a task / strike force or trial with them. You would be well advised to only take your most trusted allies with you to tackle such challenging and dangerous missions!

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On several TF's its already hard enough to get a big enough team together to run it(esp for the FP and Shard TF's) and many times you dont have the luxury of picking and choosing who is to use.

This also stops people who might drop out suddenly due to internet problems and such.

IMO all this change does it stop a few people from softloading, while punishes the rest of the player base becasue no matter how much you "prepare" there are going to be times where someone is going to drop out suddenly.

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It does put the control back in the players hands in all cases but a hard, irreconcilable loss of internet connectivity. Some examples:

Wife/Husband agro or a bad storm moving into your area that will likely cause you to have a power outage: Simply let the team know you need to go and quit the team and the spawns will scale down to the new team size.

Cat steps on your power strip, turning off your system: Well, the team will have to deal with you going Link Dead, but hopefully they can manage till you log back in.

Someone on your team is acting like a complete dork, agroing ahead, or otherwise placing the teams integrity in jeopardy: Have the team leader talk with them and if they can't settle down, remove them from the team and allow the spawn size to scale down to the new team size.

If you want to "solo" a Task Force (for example Positron)? Invite two others (since it is a min. 3 person to start) to start the Task Force and then have one quit. You need to have 2 people minimum in a Task Force / Strike Force or Trial for the mission chain to stay solvent. But hey, you can solo spawns for 2 with your settings on heroic, can't you? Or - duo it with a friend.

I hope those examples help.

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I can see your point about a storm but sometimes a power outage happens because someone down the street hit a pole or if they are doing maintenance type stuff in your area. Further more it doesnt address the issues where you have a crappy ISP that is having problems after you start the TF/SF. The only solution is give us the ability to kick teammates if they log or dc or not even bother with it.

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This change and the previous one is bad because it still allows for some teammates to grief your team should they choose to log off and not quit. I have had it to happen twice since the first change on a few tfs I have done. Once on Katie hannon and once Sara Moore TFs. We need a way to be able to kick people from the team that are not currently logged in. Secondly neither of these changes have done anything to address the reason why this softloading of tf/sfs happens in the first place. If the recipes that people can actually use were more readily accessable we would not be going thru this now in the first place. Either address the issue with the drop pools or you are doing all this for nothing and all it is doing is punishing the rest of the playerbase instead of farmers.

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Understandable and thanks for the feedback. However, I would have to advise you to better get to know the people you are grouping with. Simply put, if someone has a reputation for such, don't engage in a task / strike force or trial with them. You would be well advised to only take your most trusted allies with you to tackle such challenging and dangerous missions!

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I cant believe you just said that? Some servers are like ghost towns I am sometimes lucky enough to get the bare minimum to start a TF/SF let alone give everyone a background check before I start one. Seriously this patch stinks just like the one before did. They must give us the ability to kick people who log off or not even bother with this change.

This change and the previous one is bad because it still allows for some teammates to grief your team should they choose to log off and not quit. I have had it to happen twice since the first change on a few tfs I have done. Once on Katie hannon and once Sara Moore TFs. We need a way to be able to kick people from the team that are not currently logged in. Secondly neither of these changes have done anything to address the reason why this softloading of tf/sfs happens in the first place. If the recipes that people can actually use were more readily accessable we would not be going thru this now in the first place. Either address the issue with the drop pools or you are doing all this for nothing and all it is doing is punishing the rest of the playerbase instead of farmers.

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So the question is gonna be..

In 2-3 months from now, will I make enough money selling my 3 LoTG's to give my Ice/Psi dom 5 Purple set?

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Without a doubt. The damage is already done, the redside market is going to self destruct. You will have enough inf to Purple IO out all your toons on that server by then. Salvage will probably get dirt cheap by then because of the lack of recipes around to craft.

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Anyone wanna take Bets on when Positron's gonna make a blurb or statement about this? I'm betting we won't see him at all even though he was obviously the one who made the call. Gawd I love it when that Power-Gamer shirks responsibility ...He finally caves to the Casual Gamers' overwhelming demands for fixing the 30-40 grind and wins some huge brownie points with this community, and then flips around and pulls this Epic-Fail "Fix" in the same patch. HUGE Lolz, son.


BtW, if anyone wants to know his thoughts on the matter, just go read the Market Forum. Those 1337 100t "flippers" are all cut from the same stone he was. The more these recipes cost, the bigger their E-dilz get, and the happier they are. That's Positron's "Fan Base" and the only justification he needs for being a total Miser.

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The afk timer doesn't work on TFs.

The person logged themselves off.

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REALLY!!! NOW I AM PISSED, I AM GOING TO PUT THAT DEFENDER ON IGNORE!!!
Thanks for telling me this.

Well I know first hand how bad this change is, last night we had a defender to go afk on the Sara Moore TF (gawd this chick looks throwed away like some homeless person, devs please give her better clothing and hairstyle). Needless to say the defender got logged off due to the afk timer. It was a [censored] having to deal with that extra set of mobs from someone. Our other defender had a family emergency but prior to this announcement I had explained about the recent change to tfs when I realized the first defender wasnt coming back. I think had I not said that he probably would have left too. If he is reading this I want to thank you for sticking it out eventhough you had an emergency. I will say this after this change I will be staying the hell out of the shadow shard. It is just not worth my time anymore.

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Guys, we need to figure out a way to exploit the game that involves the RSF tech, toggle debuffs, vill patrons, other QoL issues, and anything else we feel needs to be fixed, then people need to complain about how they relate to RMT, THEN they might get fixed.

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3) Changes of this nature are inappropriate to fall under your "we don't talk about exploits" rule. This should have been in the test server patch notes. While it does address something you consider an exploit, it does so in a way that clearly impacts ordinary players (permanent loss of teammates on TFs is very common). There was a patch note mentioning that snake eggs weren't worth XP any more. This change was more deserving of mention.


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I also want to mention that the snake egg change has also rendered the temp power to destroy the eggs useless because the eggs hatch way before you get into range to actually use the gun on them.

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FIX THE TECH IN LRSF AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SOFT LOADED NOW I'LL NEVER RUN IT OR ANY SF/TF IN THIS GAME TIL THE DEVS GET OFF THERE A S S E S AND FIX THE LRSF'S TECH WAY TO PISS OFF PEOPLE

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All I can say is it wont be none of this well lets get just the minimum to start the tf crap, I am going in with 8 or we dont do the tf at all. I want to make sure we still have enough folks if folks quit.

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What happens when you begin with the bare minimum and then several team mates need to quit?

This change prevents casual players from organzing Task forces and strike forces, especially Villainside where subscriptions are dwindling and reducing the player pool already.

The late explanation is superficial and hardly persuasive. Villainside Cap Au Diable SF was farmed because the redside market is anemic compared to the blueside market. This change will only increase this large gap. Clearly NCSoft is making changes to keep the game interesting by preventing easy recipes, but what will you do when the market has so few?

I'm tempted to think that NCSoft is attemtping to manage serversize by making CoV uninhabitable.

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Both games use the same servers, there is no hero only or villain only accounts unless you bought the games seperate after NCSoft bought City of Heroes/Villains from cryptic studios. You will find very few places that still sell them seperate.

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We know that finding out about this change after the patch is already live is not the ideal way to go about it. It was never our intent to “hide” or “stealth” this change out, it was simply lost in the volume of other changes spanning many months.


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This part I am not buying even for a second. It has happened way too much since the begining of the game, it even happens after Jack left the game. Lighthouse this is a pretty huge change that we should have known about in the patch notes, there is absolutely no excuse that something this big gets missed in the patch notes. I can understand not posting a patch note due to the exploits like the Ouroboros powerlevel exploit but this isnt even on that level and should not have been missed period. This has been a constant thing with us the players having to figure it out whether it was a bug or "Working As Intended". You guys need to do better because this is inexcuseable due to the size of the change.

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1. People who are still bitter about ED and can't see how Inventions effectively "reverses" it are just too consumed by their own bitterness to see it. Get over it. Seriously. Get over it.



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WRONG!!! The invention system was *partial* compensation for ED and the GDN, it did not in anyway reverse any of that stuff. You still hit a cap and any points where you go over are still minor at best. The only time it goes over the caps is when folks get extreme with the +acc and +recharge all out the whazoo, and even then there are caps on that stuff so it doesnt matter as much.

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2. Travel power suppression is necessary to keep people from trivializing PvE content.

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They do this now with other things. Certain pl maps come to mind. Travel power suppression makes no sense in pve especially in a super hero game.

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7. Alignments. The day this becomes City of Metas rather than City of Heroes and City of Villains is a day I hope never comes. Terrible, imbalancing, ruinous idea.


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This isnt a terrible idea, we need to be able to experience all the content with any AT. I do think they need to fix a few balance issues when that does happen because many ATs will make other ATs redundant.

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8. This game emphasizes PvP? They're just flat wrong here. It emphasizes PvE and PvP is nearly all but ignored.


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I would say the bulk of the nerfs we got post issue 4 were pvp related very few had any justification for them to change how things were in pve. Namely the phase shift change, if you cant click on a glowie while it is up and you can still be killed by hami then why do we even have the auto-shut off still on phase shift?
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9. Creative power use by innovative players? Exploits, they mean. Give me a break on this one. If a power is broken or imbalancing, it should be nerfed for the good of the game.

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Nerfing was never really the answer, in some cases like the smoke grenade nerf those needed to happen but for the most part they should have just tweaked the critter AI and buff the critter stats instead. That way the players dont feel that the devs took something away from the players eventhough the net result is about the same.

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I am one of those people that don't care about xp but do care about content.

Do we have any idea when/if missions that aren't story arcs will make it to flashback? A lots of the cool and unusual missions are offered to you after you complete a story arc.

I am glad about the xp smoothing, not glad about the xp boost.

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Anything can be made Flashback, but the "completed" star checks for A) Souvenir clue or B) the Badge. If we did missions that were not Story Arcs and not Badged, then they would never show complete.

That said, I have no problem doing this if you guys don't. Just let me know what missions you want on Ouroboros and I will do my best to get them there.

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I got one, there is a mission that Unai Kamen gives where you have to fight banished patheons. I would like this to be flashbackable because it provides a good source to get the badge for the banished patheon mask. Normally I would just exemplar down to the level to kill the stuff but as you know if you go below lvl 32 when you exemplar it just utterly butcheres your enhancements. I hardly feel super as it is and would hate to have to do this hunt these at a lower level and be weaker than that had I done it when I was really at that level. Some of you might say why dont you just kill the grey mask, well there is no challenge in that.

To be honest I am more worried about the consignment house server than the actual log on server. These past few weeks it has had the worst possible performance. It has gotten to the point where I dont even sell my salvage there unless I got stacks of ten because you practically have to fight it each transaction just to get it to go thru. You have to be extra specially cautions because of the server lag on it you sometimes will enter the price for the wrong item and by the wrong thing or sell something at the wrong price.

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Blizzard winning is GREAT
:-( sadly it didn't go through as a CLASS ACTION suit... so more lawyers and more lawsuits will need to be persued every couple months as they re-organize under different company headings


I would think there should be SOME way to shut down, not only the account that the spams originate from, but also ALL THE TRIAL ACCOUNTS THEY SENT INVITATIONS FOR.

In theory, this would work it's way backwards, till they got all current, active spammer accounts. As a more drastic measure... you could even institute a reverse ban.... any account that gave a trial code to a confirmed spammer also gets the boot(with an appeal process, for the truely unfortunate/stupid who get suckered into giving a trial code to one of those #$&^ )(#$* #$&^#$ $&^# in nigeria or china, or wherever those muck dwelling bottom feeders live.

Sadly, a more secure e-mail system won't help me. I've only ever gotten ONE e-mail spam.. on Freedom server... on Pinnacle(home is where the beer is), all I ever see is tells. and they manage to find me through multiple days of both /hide AND /ghide.... at all hours of the day or night :-(

[/ QUOTE ]That isnt going to do much when you got sites like MMORPG.com sending out tons of free trials. You would have to stop them too.