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I dont think the sales thread is likely to drive away business from The artist's here. everyone already bought art elsewhere before , It's just likely to make it easier for those who are looking for art and forced to abide a shorter budget a chance at some art I dont see any harm in it, infact I will check there from time to time for my own fix :P. so it is serving folks who are buying the art.
TA your a damned legend and i'm sure all agree with me. the fact that you have put the effort you have into building the resource out of your own time and inclination is inspiring, You truely are a great heart of this community.
I'm glad this thread hasn't taken the same turn as the criticsm thread did
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I STILL SEE PRICES, GET RIDZ OF THEM not even rough figures guys. -
Quote:Lol. nah, It's the drop bears you gotta worry about.Still tired... but now its due to having like, swine flu or something. *cough, hack*
Eddy, you have to remain vigilant all night anyway. You live in freaking Australia... close both your eyes for any length of time, and I'm sure something poisonous and spiny will make your chest cavity its new summer bungalow. -
lol. Well it is 2:42 am here and still no sleep.I am screwed for tommorow
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anyone see a chocolate squirrel around here? he cant have gotten too far he's full of nougat!
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your friend has a great style. really great color choices.
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Quote:I'd Rep you but it won't let me.First off, lemme say that when I posted in TA's thread I was still on vacation and had just downed a bottle of wine. So it maybe should have been sent via pm..I dunno. Sometimes I think it's worth it to throw comments like that out there in front of the community to see how people respond and get a sense of where the current community stands. Sorry if it rubbed anyone the wrong way.
I think the point I was making about lead loss is being misconstrued. I certainly don't think that people here should feel obligated to buy art from the "locals" just because they are active on the forums and maybe have given away free stuff.
My issue had more to do with advertising. This forum is not a public space in the way deviant art is. You have to have an active account to post here. And the people using the forums to share and promote their art here are an active part of this community.
Now let's use Foo's sale as an example. "Hey guys, check it out--my car died so I'm having a sale." What if I went on DA and found someone with a similar style, holding a similar sale because they broke their leg and came back and advertised it here ? I personally don't think that's an upstanding thing to do another member of this community. That's how I personally feel about the deal thread. I'm completely fine with people not agreeing with me, but I felt I should throw it out there. -
I've caught my second wind and its midnight, The cycle repeats...
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Quote:I didn't say that. I said selling yourself short and even you admitted that. I am willing to admit I was a little general if its a choice thing like yourself well then that is awesome and very nice of you. I study full time and have had trouble finding a job in the economic crisis due to my hours of availability. so to me commission's are an important source of income. I understand that isn't the same story for everyone. you are definitely showing why you have positive rep there suichi.The price set by the artist is really just an arbitrary price point that they pick. There's no real right or wrong answer to what it should be set as. If the artist desires business, then they will conform to the economic flows of their audience or else suffer, but this is not a requirement for commission work in general.
I personally charge only 5-7 dollars for commissions, because I do not want to use it as a money source. Not every artist does or wants to. Is it worth my time to charge that little? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't really care. I'm free to pick and choose my art and what I will accept as a commission so when I don't want to do them, I simply don't take them. It's really as simple as that. I could likely get as much as 50 dollars for my art, due to name recognition and specialty content within certain groups. But frankly, I don't want to. I like having low prices so that other poor people can afford my art, when they're locked out of getting art from the people who charge and arm and a leg. That in itself brings me happiness, so it's fulfilling in a non-monetary way.
I know of many artists who are in that same boat and will charge very low prices for their own art, not because they undervalue it, but simply because they want to. It's a personal decision that we all make, so it's pretty difficult to say, "you're pricing your own commissions wrong." -
whilst you sometimes can be controversial and a little rough around the edges You always have a well formed reason for your beliefs and you know what your talking about. I don't see it as negativity it is just being opinionated. I know when I saw your rep down I positive repped you, because you are definitely someone who should be listened to. You have helped me be a better artist and I appreciate that.
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Lol I didnt get to do any Double xp this weekend, I was busy... :P
Okay as a buyer and a seller, My opinion, here it goes.
To the local market subject. Sure its great to support the local talent, we have some awesome artists on here, but there are so many great artists out there one would be a fool to not to venture beyond. most of my pieces I have in my collection I got from artist's outside of here, Truth be told I wasn't as big a contributor here back then as I am now. and lately I am a broke a** student who cant afford to buy the artz. I have recently bought a couple off of the foo but those are all planned as gifts to folks I think are doing good things or have been good to me, or to folks who participate here but don't get alot of luck with the freebies. Just about all the business I get is folks finding there way over from this forum to my DA so I am more then happy to give back to it whenever I can. and I think most people feel this way.
as for something else FD mentioned in the other thread about folks who give free art to the community and earning respect before being fully embraced and promoted by the community I agree to a point but sometimes one can't resist the shiny toy's on DA sometimes. I think all of the artist's who actually frequent the boards have gifted art I'd love to have the time myself to gift more and do a second sketch a day thread but in my current circumstances its just not on the cards. but anyway, I'm getting sidetracked.
as for quality on quantity. I have bought some cheaper arts and received exactly what I paid for in one case I did not receive the art at all, it was one of those I need financial help sales and to be honest it doesn't bother me I didn't receive the art I just hoped it helped the person in question. but then again I bring up daggerpoints bust sale's which are absolute bargains! for there prices adding vrykon's painting skills makes a very cheap very awesome piece of work. if you are not familiar with these check them out in my collection and keep an eye out for those sales.
at the end of the day I steer clear of cheap art for 2 reasons, 1: because chances are its going to be of lesser quality except for in rare occasions. 2: most artist's are not good enough to make cheap art look good fast enough for it to be worthwhile, I don't like to take advantage of an artist like that. which brings me to my next point.
Pricing. An artist's price to me should be both affordable and worthwhile for the artist themself, when I opened my first Que I would charge a very small amount take on as many people on the Que I can then spend days to weeks on a single piece I just ended up burned out And in the end I had to refund some folks there money back because I just couldn't face those pictures anymore. at the end of the day if you are working on art for less then minimum wage as an hourly rate you are selling yourself ridiculously short So since then I have upped my prices and I don't take on more then I think I can at any one time. and I don't spend too much time on them either because that can lead to over working and lose the pieces spontaneity. I will never give a client something I wouldn't be happy receiving for the price so if its really dodge I Put the extra time in to make it acceptable often times this does lead me to spend a little bit more time on a piece because I am a harsh critic of my own work But I am getting better.
I probably have more to add but I cant think at the moment so I will come back and add some more later mayhaps.
Edit: thought of something else.
Artistic freedom. I love it personally. and don't like it when folks give me too much in the way of specifics. I'm happy to receive a couple of a screenies and just go for it. in particular I like to take liberties on costumes just to make them more unique. but some artists don't like that. -
that red bull didnt last nearly long enough, its 4 20pm and I am crashing out.... zzzzzzzzzz
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I was tired, then I drank an xxl can of redbull, Now I am good for a while.
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I'll have to write my feelings down on the matter aswell. when time is permitting.
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I think there are a couple of mine not linked in here, but that doesnt bother me they are easily found on grays DA. gray hadn't updated in a while I just thought most would like to see the great piece by Lord alphie, as he is someone who had (to my knowledge) been off the rader commission wise for the locals here.
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Tis seriously great work, may you recieve many more great pieces!
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http://eddy-swan.deviantart.com/art/...sion-139979174 Just letting ya'll know first one is done. and the others are well on there way
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Since grays account isnt active I figured I'd post this here, as it is far too awesome for folks to miss http://the-shades-of-gray.deviantart...phie-139863598
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Love the inks and color on Jrs pencils bobby, really great color choices!
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Pretty damned good for 11! and the flats look fine
nice job on both fronts. you should both keep practising!
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This forum does seem to attract some very nice folks, Its truly a pleasure to be a part of this community.