DitzyBlonde

Pvpec was never a sanctioned or recognized group by the developer's except when it suited them. For the most part the Pvpec was abhorred by what would be considered the 'real" pvp community from it's inception. In my opionion the dev's have learned a valuable lesson . It's a shame that the curent Pvpec rep's have the burden of that legacy to bear but I agree with the Dev decision. Moreover,even in it's current incantation, most that pvp are not there doing it for a prize anyhow.

Good show getting this going ,Sillit and Co. Hope it ends in much fun for everyone! It's certainly a solution for nonpopulated pvp zones. Pay 10.00 per character to get to a server that has some action(give the game more money). I really hope this works and that you all avoid the migration to test for the reasons others have stated in the thread. I don't think the dev's ever imagined the test leagues and this is exactly what they want and a means to get PVP attention and if not improvements then at least concessions. Don't give up. Keep at it!

Oroborous is unplayable. I really hope someoen gets on this quickly. I attempted 4 different archs during my playtime this morning to eventually just log off in frustration.My experience today consisted of:

1."The Vahzilok Pollutant" lvl1-15 arch
a. Access pillar and select the arch
b. The mission door spawned as a pillar in Oro
c. Click on the mission door(in Oro) .
d. Hang in loading screen for 10 mins.

2."The Mind of a King" lvl16-19 arch
a.Select (no problem). First mission is a hunt.
b. Get second mission. All baddies are level 1(wth?).
c. Hmmmmmm? Must be something wrong here /bug.
3."Crown of Glory" lvl25-29(3 door missions should be a quick and easy way to get the last 2 merits I need to purchase a recipe for the character)
a. Loads fine.... YAY!! It's a go!
b.Level 1's????????
c.Through logging out and in I managed to complete the arch. The baddies still stayed level1 but I was able to get credit for defeating objectives. I don't know why.......
1. Please note that I logged off to reset the mission after killing all objectives, reading in my combat logs that I had completed the objectives.
2.After the reset I completed the ONE objective as I had in the prior incantation and received immediate credit.


Can we please get this problem rectified?I know people wont like to read what I am about to type but I think if they can't get in a quickfix there should be a rollback to give them more time to analyze the problem. Oro is borked as to nigh unplayable within the levels documented above. When I have my patience glass more full I will attempt some other archs at higher levels this evening to try and verify if the level 1 spawns are just affecting lvls1-29 oro sf//tf's. There really seems to be some sort of BIG problem with all sf//tf's at the moment.

So behind the times... just get in the van and take direction. Don't talk.

Point 1. Any dominator in a full team with subpar recharge( hasten + 20%) experienced periods of domination overlap( stacked double dom) prior to the changes.
Point2. Any dominator in a team with permadom 1 or 2( 160% or 180%)experienced periods of triple stacks with a higher damage ratio than the current domination formula. This basiclly means that any dominator in a full team or in a 4man team with a kin on board contributed more damage without the end penalty.

Dominator's used to be the end game.They aren't any longer.

I apologize for being rude to Min but the comment about " exploit crowd" hit me the wrong way.
Point 3. I don't really care about the adjustment to psw. Bottomline is outside of pvp dom's got less powerful in the hands of a fast paced player. The fact that you all view the dumbing down of dominator's a GOOd thing baffles me. THE whole inherent of the archetype was changed after over 3 years. They aren't dominators anymore. Might as well come up with a new name for the archetype.

There's your answer,Lilli.

edited to add that the general consensus was nonbuffed doms( few took into consideration the team buffs experienced in a prior issue)performed too poorly for the casual player.. It was a frakken witchhunt for people that exceeded the "norm".The funny thing to me is that if any of the protestor's had made minimal effort they would have been right there with the players that had . To explain ... a teamed dom could surpass a solo dom easy breezy in terms of outright damage in pve. I find my dominator's endsucking whores now. Don't yell at me for saying I don't like something either.Sure.. I can slot for recovery... at the price of not slotting damage... or hp .. etc..The performance is lower. I said this back during the initial arguements... YOU KNOW.. back when SOME doms were out farming brutes.Not going to rehash this ,Lilli.
I'll play plenty nice and be sweet if you all will.But don't goad me or ask me for an opinion if you REALLY don't want to hear it. There's your little summary.

Oh WOW!! Min was wrong AGAIN!!

HUGS!!!!**smirk**Happy hunting!

The advice you gave the grav//psi guy was pretty bad. Don't worry. I am going to rework his build in mids and post it in the morning.I got your back!!

My Fortunata currently is lvl 48.5.... yea I know I'm a damn slacker theres plenty of lvl 50 veats already....... I concur with M3z'z opinion and I am a peeveepee NOOB! Even Miss Noob see's the potential in this at and with limited dexterity skills has managed some fun stuff in zones. The dev's did a good job with the Villian epics. My only regret is there are not more around to team with. I suppose my post is a threadjack and I apologize. I am pm'ing you M3z with my current Fortunata plan. I am going for perma ml and all I need are 1.5 levels to achieve the goal. For all the dom lover's the Fortunata build is about as expensive as a permadom one. I took your gloom suggestion in the SOA thread, M3z and you were right.

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Yes, I read the link.

I don't really agree with the "win at all costs" philosophy but, be that as it may...



If the PvP in this game was designed Well, bug exploits like that wouldn't be Necessary.


EDIT: I understand Sirlin's points, however I personally think people who would do things like use that slow Iceman maneuver he describes are being jerks and I wouldn't play against them a second time. It's practically the Definition of unsportsmanlike conduct.

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Ya know what? I do not call people out here often. You need to [censored] ,Wavicle. You haven't a leg to stan d on and are doing nothing but derailing the thread, Toodle on and have fun with " sportsmanship" and " rules". I don't think anyone in the thread really cares what you think. It's obvious to me after reading your posts that you really don't pvp. Theres 3 types of pvp on any character you make... whether a dom or something different:
1. arena : duels
2. arena teams
3. zones// zone:duels( which are silly... pls read "playing to win"

Thanks much M3z for taking the time to help dom;s and really any other AT with this thread. I applaud you.

Great art. That one was definitely worth the wait. Thanks for sharing,Mrs.

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You have to get to lvl 41 before you can experience for yourself if PPP's suck. How would this stop new players from entering the rogue isles?


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People follow the rainbow because there is a pot of gold at the end.

This is Villain side

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I just have a hard time believing things that are said on the forums without checking it out myself.

The more I play villain side, the more I see that much of what is complained about, is exaggerated.

Except the thing where ambushes can see the stalker, something should really be done about that...

So of course the data in mid's with no other personal experience with PPP's, I say they are fine.

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What's a PPP??? Last time I checked hero's get pff, tf, etcetcetc.... What do villians get? A web grenade, electric shackles or a Mu..... big woooooooo! Like I said... whats a PPP ?

Off topic and I apologize... carry on , folks.

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Some of those are debatable and subjective. However, I see your point but don't agree that this change in TF requirements in all the game-breaking.

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The thing is... The exploit wasn't game breaking either.

Like I said, NOBODY was being hurt by the Cap farms. There is most definitely going to be some hurt from changing it though.

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You're correct. Noone was being hurt and plenty were benifitting via the BM. I think it's funny. Doing 8 caps in an hour and a half wasn't an easy thing to organize with 8 non dual boxers.

I think Posi is just pissed the hero's werent smart enough to run Katie the same way. Got his boxer's all in a twist because villians are smarter.

You could have multied Katies as well with a little different organization.

Either way this kills the BM. Sure.. A couple of players have posted screenshots to attest to 22-24 min 4 player cap runs. All that does is substantiate the fact that the good people will keep going and the mediocre players will miss out..... AGAIN. In addition the people running Caps arent going to sell untill prices for uniques are jacked up to over 200 mill per unique because the additional recipes introduced in issue10 just further dilluted the pool C drop Pools ( I might be wrong on which issue but anyone reading my post knows wth I am talking about.)

The previous change and the currrent change do absolutely NOTHING to address the BM issue. In fact....... it makes the BM worse.

Since the dev's all seem to be the " average Joe gamer" I'd seriously like to see them compile a team on test or in dev land and do an 8 man cap rotation. Let them organize the damn thing and solo and coordinate reassembly then get the Crap of the Hunter or Pacing of the turd at the end. Let them run it and see how long it takes to get a decent drop.

This change does not effect me in the least except as a minor inconvenience. In fact? I m not an RMT but I have enough villianside pool c's banked to be a billionaire in the game a few times over in the coming months.

I seriously question where these out of the blue changes originate and the motivation behind them.

Thanks for the compromise. Nice of you all Dev team. The bandaide won't work long though. You're gonna need a foogin tourniquet and an amputation to fix the BM following this change. Maybe a good idea is to sew on the leg of Wentworths to patch the one the BM just lost.

The rmt'ers are just gonna get smart and start selling recipes or crafted io's instead of money.

Yes, the compromise is fine. Simply not a wel lthought out " fix" to a behavior affecting a mediocre sized % of the whole population. The side effects to the market, however, will be devastating. I suppose that doesn't affect " Joe Gamer". I'm not " Joe Gamer" and am irked to hell and back.

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My two cents:

Obviously this is a middle ground between "how it used to be" and "how it is now on Live." Despite a substantial amount of rational arguments in favor of scrapping the change altogether and reverting back to the old system, the rednames seem adamant on shaking things up for god knows what reason...



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To reiterate my original statement about farming Task / Strike Force and Trial statements for RMT purposes and to echo Positron's follow up statement; the reason for the change to these missions is to curb the following behavior:

8 people start a Task Force.
7 people log off and allow the 1 character that's a strong solo build to solo to the end.
The 7 other people log on just before the finish.
Complete the mission and 8 people obtain Pool C rewards for the work of 1 person.

The above behavior is something that we are not allowing to continue.

We understand that there is more work that can be done on these missions. We appreciate and value your feedback on that front.

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Thanks for the compromise. Now make it better by adjusting the dilluted pool C drops before you kill the already anemic BM, please I'd really like a comment on the developer "vision" regarding the current state of the market redside and the redside market that will be in existence in a month or less. What are the plans in the works to address that inevitable situation? Most likely what will happen now is RMT 'rs will start selling recipe's or craffted enhancements instead of enfamy//influence. Whats easier? Buy a Miracle unique for 50.00 or pay 150.00 for 140mill enfamy?

Thanks for reading

You hit the nail on the head with your post ,Crimson.

Something occurred to me today in addition to the other thoughts I have posted in the thread. One reason more people are now capable of running the RSF and STf respectively is because of the countless hours players contributed testing the RSF and solid strategies.I know I myself spent 6 days in Rsf to figure the thing out. No.. I wasnt alone. The team agreed we'de not quit until we finished. When we hit a stumbling block we'de break for the night and a few of us would agree to meet at a later time and figure the mission out before the whole team reassembled at the designated time the next day. With the current change thats not something players can do anymore.

Might be funny to watch them implement something new that actually requires solid testing to compile strategies now.

Unless you are dev you haven't access to " cold hard data". Last time I checked there wasnt a Tony_V signature character.

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You say tit-for-tat, I say cold hard data.

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Heh, you have access to the "cold hard data"? Wow, I didn't know the devs gave you such unfettered access to their database. Must be nice.

Oh wait, you're just recounting your own subjective experience? Well, that's all fine and good, except that mine happens to be considerably different from yours. I'm inclined to believe my own two eyes over you. I keep inviting everyone to go in the game and make up their own minds, believing neither you nor me, but you keep seeming to be vehemently opposed to that and posting these comments. Weird.

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To Tony..... I am happy Taxibot Belle likes to taxi you around.What you fail to recognize is that not EVERYONE in game has access to a Taxi. Yea, they are an organization not utilized by all players.You sir don't have a leg to stand on with your arguement about casual players and tf//sf's

I have been silent in the thread for a few days. Feeling the water and seeing what I might come up with on live. To the gentleman// madame that stated in a previous post about dev's and data? I hope they ARE looking. If they are they will see what they need to see.

To Monkey.. I am with you baby. Just sold Miracle number 2 for a hefty 170 million.

I know I am not the only player to object to this change. In fact? Before you all decide to flame out the wazoo I personally dont object to the softloading change. Doesnt effect me just like it doesn't effect several poster's so far in the thread.





Anyway? I will happily feed my pool C uniques into the BM in small increments and make a killing.


edited... not opening that can of worms

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This game CAN tell the difference between someone thats logged off and someone thats QUIT the tf.

Therefore a better solution to softloading is to set spawn size to team size including logged off.

If someone quits the TF spawn sizes should adjust because they are not coming back.

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I wouldn't mind this.

Some how I don't think Ditzy and MonkeyB would like it.



~MR

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Nope I wouldn't. Nice of you to think of me though. The only thing that would make me happy is if they went back to all the nice things they promised us - like giving the customer what they want. Its clear from this thread that a vocal majority of them - for different and legitimate reasons - want the change rolled back.

So give me what I want.

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QFT

Let players play Task Forces how they wish without being forced to team, which can be especially problematic on low population servers at low population times. There was nothing inherently wrong with all Task Forces, though a lot of "play my way, aka the right way!" gamers have turned it into a crusade against soloists.

The problems as I and many others see it were Cap SFs and soft-spawning the STF/RSF. Do as was done with Katie TFs and examine them individually, don't enact sweeping changes. I'd be surprised if there's anyone who opposes this change who wouldn't agree with what I just said. We've all acknowledged that Katie TFs were easily farmable and disrupting gameplay as usual, so deal with any problematic TFs on a case by case basis.

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We shouldn't have to find workarounds as a result of dev negligence. I am lookin at you Mr. Tech in the rsf.I don't object to a spawn for minimum team size AT all. The fact of the matter is because of poor game design and negligent implementation all the players are now at this point. THE POINT WHERE THE WORKAROUNDS don't work anymore and are becomming an inconve nience.

A person can look at any point made in the thread and it all goes back to a "workaround".

1. Why do people softload RSF? To avoid the buggy tech.

2. Why do hero people fill a team? Because they cant get 8 players for the 6-8 hour boredom fest for a badge.
3. Why do both heros and villians want to do quick Katies and Caps? For a chance at a good recipe from a messed up drop pool.

Lol.. there are more but I don't feel like listing them all. I am sick of doing a "workaround".

I have already expressed what I think about this change. I find Posi's post bordering ludicrous. Why? Because just MAYBE I don't want to play how he wants me to play. I could give a good gotdamn about the " pride of accomplishment that comes with completing a tf//sf". I WANT MY REWARD! Not a damn badge. If I want to feel "pride" I'll go to a PTA meeting or volunteer at the foodcupboard at my church. Maybe I will volunteer at my daughter's school book fair or accompany 30 10 year olds to the zoo as a chaperone. I don't play this game to feel " pride" in my accomplishments. THIS is a game.

I posted earlier about selling a miracle for an exorbitant amount. Know whats sad? To date I typically list uniques( when I sell) for around 1-5 mill depending on my mood.You know that Miracle that sold for 500k a month ago?

** raises hand*** I listed it for 10k cause that was my old mindset. Share the wealth. Spread the good Karma. What goes around comes around. Forget that mindset now.



Damn straight you people are gonna start paying through the nose. Thank Posi and his "idea" of how we all should play. I think I may enjoy becoming a money grubber. It was fun to spend that 100 mill from my last Miracle sold finishing my third dom"s sets.

Bottomline there are a few different factions of players affected by this "blanket" change . The factions connect and overlap at some point. So how about coming up with a 'fix' for all faction s of players and NOT just the ones who do it like YOU say?

You want to make a minimum spawn based on team size? Fine. I think EVERYONE can live with that. In fact? Noone so far in 68 pages has complained about the 'softlaod' fix. Providing you dev's fix the dumb tech in Rsf.How about taking some of the really good player suggestions regarding drop pools and research implementing some of those?

Thank you much and have a great day!

Hey Toooony? I don't need a manual...... serious. I am sorry you do.

You have the right to state your opinion because you are a player in an online game as all are of us.

But from the nature of the two post's you have contributed to the thread I think you might want to back up and read the prior 64 pages before you post again. Take Ned's advice and look at the dates on your " manual" too.

I could rip your thread apart.. particularly the " good time" part. I shall refrain.

I have ONE thing to say in addition to the above. Your 'good time" bores me... been there and done that. I and my kind make your game better. Even if you don't realize how. You will figure it out eventually.

Again? Read the last 64 pages... YEA.... ALLL 64.... before you come in slinging hash in an already baited thread.

Thank you very much and have a nice night//day

I am waiting like everyone else for a redname response regarding intention. The points and opinions have been made quite eloquently. Whether in favor of or against this change.

Did I tell you all I sold a Miracle for 99,100,000 redside last night?

"Pointy ear Fest" wasn't very nice. We can have pointy ears here too.

Still waiting for a Dev statement in the thread.... not a community relations one. We want Captain Stubbing not cruise coordinator Julie or I saac the bartender.