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Yes but my perspective has a 1000 years of jurisprudence and cultural norms behind it.

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You really don't. This isn't a court of law or anything like it. This is you paying to "go over to someone else's house" to play with their toys. Their rules, whether you agree with them or not. Specifics are not given to avoid exactly the kind of "rules lawyering" you're thriving on.

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and you would be wrong. Just like letting some one spend the night at your house. Once money is exchanged, different rules apply. You must go through eviction proceedings before you can remove them, if you have accepted their money.

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I work in a hotel. You couldn't be more wrong.

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Hotels have specific laws pertaining to them. Private homes do not. Try again.

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Actually, private homes can throw people out for any reason they want. They're called "trespassing laws". And agreements between private individuals are just that, agreements. If I let you pay to stay at my house and I tell you "but I'm throwing you out if I don't like the way you're acting", there's no laws broken at all and I need no agreement, court orders or specific eviction procedures to do so.

I don't think I'm the one that needs brushing up on U.S. law here.

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For two and a half years I've seen what these devs can do.
And I know the results of what they spent the last year and a half doing after they were bought by NCSoft and staffed up.

And that is exactly what's got me down.


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Actually, that's pretty much stemming from you thinking you know everything that's going on behind the scenes. The devs don't tell us everything they're up to, you know (enough people complain about this for you to have noticed). To do so would be foolish on their part.

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Anyone who thinks that CO and DCUO will not have a significant effect on the # of subscribers to this game does not understand economics. Im not trying to get into a COHvsCOvsDCUO and which one is going to be better(because no one knows definitively). Just pointing out that people will leave this game and after COH being around for 5 years chances are it will be in greater numbers than new subscribers are coming in. Its all about the product life cycle.

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First off, those two will probably have some effect. "Significant" is very very debatable. And you have to look long term. Are there going to be people trying out CO and DCUO? Absolutely. Is there going to be a mass migration to one or the other? Doubtful. In fact, many many people will try them IN ADDITION to COX, not instead of. Also there will be a contingent that tries those games and later returns to COX. There really won't be any credible data on long term effects until they actually happen.

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Furthermore, even Superman was nerfed in 1986 by one of his lead writers.

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And it was the best thing they could have done for him. Too bad later writers insisted on re-adding all the detritus and baggage that had been removed.

Lack of encouragement never stopped anyone before, from all appearances.

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Yes but my perspective has a 1000 years of jurisprudence and cultural norms behind it.

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You really don't. This isn't a court of law or anything like it. This is you paying to "go over to someone else's house" to play with their toys. Their rules, whether you agree with them or not. Specifics are not given to avoid exactly the kind of "rules lawyering" you're thriving on.

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and you would be wrong. Just like letting some one spend the night at your house. Once money is exchanged, different rules apply. You must go through eviction proceedings before you can remove them, if you have accepted their money.

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I work in a hotel. You couldn't be more wrong.

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I thought this might be a good discussion, and so far it has been =).
And I want to add something, to just a few in the front that failed to read my whole post.
I "Love Feedback", and when people tell me that I have spelled something wrong I go and I fix it, I really do try to spell everything I can correctly, as well as have friends proof it for me before I publish it.
But when someone tells me they rated my arc lower because I had a Boss name spelled with a ' in it and it shouldn't be, as well as I had "to" instead of too, but they loved the story, I think that is going way overboard.

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You just have to ignore types like that. They remind me of guys I used to know that would wait for a waitress to make ONE mistake so it would justify them not leaving a tip.

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It's interesting to me that there is no anti-farming faction in this argument; there is only an anti-AE-farming faction. The most vocal of this faction have stipulated that they don't consider farming bad or inherently exploitative.

I'm hearing no arguments philosophically opposed to farming itself, or the effects that farming has on the game. I'm just hearing a lot of rules lawyering about what is and isn't an exploit, and arguments about whether or not it's ethical to use AE to farm.

Nobody has offered any insight as to why farming should be done through PI portal missions or the Television, but not through AE. And, just to shore up a possible dead-end discussion, "because the Devs said so," isn't an explanation why one is ok, but not the other. It's just an observation that the Devs have targeted only the AE farms, and not PI/TV farms.

Is it because of exploits like Comm Officers and mobs with no ranged attacks? Those exploits have been dealt with. So why the ticket cap, and why the threats of punishment for those who use AE to create farms? In other words, why is AE farming wrong, whilst PI/TV farming is ok?

Here's my theory: the most vocal opposition to AE farming is coming from powerlevelers who suddenly found it difficult to charge lowbies 5-15M per run on their farms, because better farms were free and available to everyone through AE.

My opinion is that either farming is ok, in which case non-exploitative AE farming is ok, or farming isn't ok, in which case the PI farms need to be very aggressively nerfed, and PI farmkins retroactively punished, too.

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I think it's more that, because you're building them yourselves, the MA is open to more exploitation than Dev-written missions. It's really as simple as that.

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Yes but my perspective has a 1000 years of jurisprudence and cultural norms behind it.

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You really don't. This isn't a court of law or anything like it. This is you paying to "go over to someone else's house" to play with their toys. Their rules, whether you agree with them or not. Specifics are not given to avoid exactly the kind of "rules lawyering" you're thriving on.

Well, search engine revamp on the way at least. Sadly, we don't know exactly WHAT until I15 goes to beta.

...the Hollows taught us to RUN!

...after the Faultline revamp, if you used your old Faultline teleporter from your SG base, you got "Donut Holed" and stuck inside the new Donut shop.

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"Champions Online is new so it will kill CoX"

I got tired of hearing it too. Most of this seems to come from people who left here bitter

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Maybe you should wonder WHY they're leaving bitter.
Maybe the devs should too.

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[snark] Yes, because they, like, NEVER come to the boards and SAY why they're bitter and leaving (repeatedly)! This is mysterious and unknown information! [/snark]

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Everything in "The Land of Oz". Just beautifully done. Flying monkeys, munchkins, The four principal characters. The Witch. Just good stuff!

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True. They couldn't "kill" it with MA, so they're taking more drastic measures!

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Castle : "Drat it, Positron ! First we give them Mission Architect, then we give them Going Rogue, and they STILL keep playing !"

Positron : "I know ! This time, we'll send them money ! Surely THAT will drive them off !"

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ZOMG MY HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS ARE NOT BRAND NEW FROM THE BANK!!!!11111

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

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AND MINE ARE BRAND NEW FROM THE BANK, BUT THEY'RE ALL STATIC-Y STUCK TOGETHER! I HATE THAT!

DOUBLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

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Good idea!

In fact, to take it one step further, I'll go ahead and post a form complaint, so people can just fill in the blank:

This is the worst thing the devs have done since _________.
A.) the PvP revamp
B.) ED
C.) kicking my puppy

Instead of wasting their time on this, the devs should get off their lazy butts and finally fix ________.
A.) PvP
B.) Costume parts clipping
C.) Various spelling errors

And hey, where the hell is my __________?!?
A.) (insert power set) for (insert AT)
B.) (moon/space/gothic/rural/underwater/urban/underpants) zone
C.) pony

This game is so phail; they should make it more like _________.
A.) World of Warcraft
B.) Freedom Force vs. the 3rd Reich
C.) Hello Kitty Island Adventure

This game is SOOO going down; everyone I know is leaving for __________.
A.) CO
B.) DCU
C.) Hello Kitty Island Adventure

I'm so fed up with the game, I just _________.
A.) Cancelled my 9 accounts
B.) Put another pin in my (Positron/Castle/BaBs/Dude from marketing) voodoo doll
C.) Set Paragon studios on fire

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I wish there was room in my signature for that quote.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I was referring to the current over-reaction to Posi using his "Dad-voice" making people afraid to use the MA for fear of being punished for unwittingly farming.

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It's funny. The only change so far that's cheesed me off is the removal of chicken tug.

Why? WHYYYYY??

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There there...we'll struggle through this..**sniff**...somehow...

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The expansion pack for the ultimate indecisive person.
Like me!

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Are you sure of that?

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They can be confused because they use some of the same tricks. The things that make hard critters harder, also make ridiculously easy critters give more rewards.

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I should think the absence of "ridiculously easy critters" would make it obvious.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, so would I, but the current storm clearly demonstrates that obvious to some is "OMGBBQ, THERE[sic] GOING TO . . . ." to others.

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True. Undeniably true. Reading IS fundamental.

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I am too easily bored to do any repetitious activity that comes even halfway close to generating 1500 tickets in a single mission. Not going to alter my interest even slightly.

Loss of the chicken tug animation, though, is a blow that strikes straight to the heart.

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I feel your pain. **po's out fo'ty**

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More details.... "later this year" ... I'm sticking to my thought that is will be out in late 2010...

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Although TECHNICALLY tomorrow is "later this year".

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They can be confused because they use some of the same tricks. The things that make hard critters harder, also make ridiculously easy critters give more rewards.

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I should think the absence of "ridiculously easy critters" would make it obvious.

I'm happy if I can continue to take my Virtual Lad from 1-50 (at the "NORMAL" rate) using only the MA.

Except, maybe, people who aren't using the MA for "fat lutz".

And, frankly, I was amused by the over the top vitriol by the OP, not by the ticket nerf. The nerf is just "eh" to me.