Dechs Kaison

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ice Armor have two heals?

*Salute*

You got it, boss.

True enough about the ridiculous slippery slope part of my post, but I see you don't address my first bit.

If I can run a Dark Armor tank with tough and weave, all toggles running, all the time, sucking down Dark Regeneration's huge endurance cost, without an endurance recovery power to help me, before I even put IOs in the thing, then damn it, anything can work.

Learn to build.

Learn to play.

Heh. Roll a Dark Armor.

Best one yet.

But this one was bloody close.

I always tell my teams to drop the blue tower first. Until the blue tower is down, I need a medium purple inspiration or larger running all the time. Once that's down, then red is priority because that lucky shot or two will hurt a lot.

After that he's just a bag of HP. Either tower can go down next, but I prefer the yellow first. You see, this whole time I've had Recluse over by the green tower so I have something to hit with Dark Regeneration. When the yellow goes down, I can now heal off of Recluse, and can drag him away from the green tower and keep everyone in safety.

Oh, and as to what the towers do, the most notable effects are as follows:

The blue grants him very high +tohit.
Red grants him high damage.
Yellow (orange) grants him high defense.
Green grants him +max HP and a periodic heal.


http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Statesma...ord_Recluse.21

Yeah, you're right. He's the one I was iffy on anyway.

Stalker I was sure of. /SR I wasn't.

You do not need a stone tank for that.

My Dark Armor tank has done that for several MoSTFs. Without an empath around, or any outside buffs, for that matter. I use Eye of the Magus and a few inspirations until the blue tower drops, though.

I'm sure that any tank, and most scrappers, can do it if they're built right.

Yeah! And isn't it funny that by the time Sands of Mu finishes animating, and the weapon draw and Nemesis/Blackwand staff finish animating, the rage crash is over?

Oh. Right. Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Basically what Frosticus said. You have clearly never played a cold, thermal, FF, or sonic anything in a full team.

But that's exactly the problem, you won't actually see anything distinguishable.

But you would hear the collective sound of a hundred tanks crying.

DAMNIT!

Yes, my tank is DA/Fire and the damage it provides is amazingly high for a tank. I can do things other tanks have trouble with because of the damage I can do. The AoE attacks are also great for holding aggro.

At times, though, I find myself wishing I had chosen a secondary with more mitigation, or some debuffs that make the mobs a little angrier. I don't like to use taunt, but I have it because straight damage doesn't always keep the aggro on me. When you have -recharge or stuns on your attacks, the amount of threat that generates is considerable.

Look, I run a bloody Dark Armor tank with tough/weave and don't ever run out of endurance. I have not lost any fun because I had to slot for a little bit of endurance reduction.

What you're asking for is flat out ridiculous. "If I build poorly, I run out of endurance. Make the game easier."

Here's an idea. We'll give you an attack power that costs zero endurance, recharges quickly, can be enhanced, and you can use all the time. Maybe we'll call it brawl.

Not good enough? Then I guess we'll have to make all your powers cost zero endurance. Then you'll have fun. Except you might still get killed. So we'll make your health bar never drop below 5 HP. Except you might not be able to kill certain foes, like AVs and GMs. So we'll multiply the damage your attacks do by 100. Except you might not be able to kill a ton of enemies at once, and that would be fun. So we'll take all your powers away and give you [Kill Monsters], a power that with one click will kill everything on the map for you.

Now you can have fun, because the game's not too hard for you.

I sent you a PM, along with everyone else who's asked via PMs lately... I think I'll just post the bloody build already. I don't really have a reason to hide it or anything.

Likewise.

Hang on, I said layering defense on heavy resists. The supplemental resists accompanying SR and Shield aren't any where near the resist values of Dark Armor.

The point is having a ton of defense and a little bit of resist has potential to finish off capping defense. IOs can't do anything worthwhile for the resist side of the mitigation.

Having a ton of resist and a little bit of defense has the potential of reaching the mitigation cap for defense on top of the already high resists. The result is more total mitigation.

And the heal is just gravy.

To be entirely fair, Shield provides mitigation in the form of +HP, resists, -dmg, and knockdown. SR has defense that can't ever be debuffed away and the scaling resists that certainly count for more than you're giving credit for.

I hear what you're saying, though. If I'm going to say you can't compare the defenses without taking into account the sets they come from, then I have to take into account the entire set.

That said, I have an EA stalker. It fits my concept better, it's a lot of fun, but even with all the bells and whistles included, I'd be more survivable with /SR. That's coming from an academic numerical analysis as well as gameplay experience points of view.

That was exactly my point. You can't get s/l/e/n/f/c AND /psi, therefor it doesn't add into the discussion.

The only problem is that we cannot compare typed defense to positional defense without taking into account where you acquire that defense from. Academic discussion of the effectiveness of typed defense versus positional defense does nothing for us. There is no practical application of such discussion within the realm of the game.

Characters with typed defense sets (the only place you can reliably gain typed defense) will always have holes. Characters with positional defense sets will have far fewer holes, and the holes they have are shared by typed defense sets.