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Although the duration of the -regen effect in EMP arrow is shorter than many other powers that offer it... very few of those if any combine the -Regen and -Recov with a decent hold.

A well timed EMP can mean the end for just about any toon

Excessive meaning wasteful.... I should really remember to go slow for you. ReRead... slowly, and you may just actully see the similarities and laugh at yourself like I did.

I said some use them when needed... you said just fill up on greens/blues and pop when needed.

I said some will be excessive... (usually bad players) this was too quick for you so you went on to say that popping more than 2 insp is a waste and a bad player would do such.

ur dumb. Please don't rage on me again about a silly topic such as this.

[EDIT:] BTW, Were insp nerfed, or do they suffer from the same DR/HD as everything else?


You use insp in both PvP and PvE. Insp use is the OP. Stay focused.

So nice to have even more peeps on my jock.

Swingmoarplz.

The better stalkers out there weren't affected when they changed the mez rules in PvP. 4 seconds is 3 seconds longer than they need to to get a good crit/AS off. The combo definately works better with multiple stalkers and a good dom, but a duo can still be quite effective assuming the skill level of each is where it needs to be.

Most crashes blink seconds before they happen. I use Demonic sometimes to cover for Elude's end crash. I imagine a temp (click) phase would be just as effective for buying time to get right if one casts it in time.

Heh I've got one of those in PvE that I hadn't leveled or really tried out in PvP. I've also had good success landing DP using teleport on a /Psi Dom. (DP doesn't supress travel even after hitting target(s) btw)

Weirdest was a Grav/Sonic troller, a phase troller used to serve up singles out a group. Pretty effective for MMs and large groups. (Cage MM, D-shift pets... kill MM after a few seconds as pets stay locked in other dimension or get wormholed 100ft away lol)

D-Shift on a group of villians followed by wormhole and cage (if needed) also helped to isolate single targets as long as teammates had the damage to finish them off. Targets binds helped.

The other quirk of the set (carried over from PvE) was making a make-shift PBAoE repel field by combining Singularity's KB with The repulsion toggle and Group TP.

- Hadn't really played it since IO's though... It struggles to stay alive too much atm.

Perhaps.

But impossible if there are competent Traps players near me. Some take attack powers from their secondary too!

web grenade + tp foe = you run or die. End of story

I don't pretend Traps/ is an optimal build for competitve PvP. I just said it was a good build for SC. That's it. That was the OP. Everyone here agrees, but chooses to focus on every setting that Traps/ is not a good build for... (kinda what you just did there)

I don't see the problem or rarity of finding people who wish to roll a team defender for zones and provide a way for hero teams to stay closer together, (a safe zone, as someone called it) even if it means not getting a lot of kills or not being uber when solo. Standing on 3 or 4 stacked triage beacons, 4 or 5 acid mortars, 3 FFGs, 40 or so trip mines, and 18 Posion traps spead out over very large areas would indeed be easy to do with just 3 in a zone and would not only eliminate any direct melee attacks, but also reduce significantly any need for teammates to fear spikes. This would actually open the door for many sets that would thirve in PvP if given such security. A True defender indeed. [EDIT:] People are use to seeing maybe one bad trapper in a zone perhaps with a stack of traps directly below them. Most have never seen however a rooftop covered with traps systematically placed every 3 ft leaving absolutely no chance of a player surviving being webbed and running accros such a rooftop. <--- for example

Traps is not a subar set... Trapping is a subpar tactic and approach. One that requires more skill to be good at because of it. You can't argue the fact that nothing in game can damage someone more than 16 optimized trip mines at once or more, or that the 4 second puking effect from multiple PGT combined with stacked -regen debuff effect isn't effective for getting kills. You can only argue the possiblity one has of ever getting someone to get hit by these attacks. This arguement can't be proven on mids however I'm afraid, and currently I see most have very little experience with the set. Too little to make me somehow forget the things I've been able to do with it, and too little to convince me that several played the way I've been successful playing it couldn't compete with today's skilled players and builds. My Traps/ defender is on Freedom and is currently level 11. I adevertise because I can only hope that when I do get to SC and RV... that I'm not the only one taking advantage of such a viable zone set.

I touched on this earlier. Sometimes we draw no line in between how we play in arena (competitive PvP) and zone. We bring the ticker with us to SC and RV, and assume we must kill, keep moving, find them, kill them again fast, run, seperate, don't die... don't die... don't die. It's really not all that neccessary in zones.

We assume that a high K/D ratio is all that's really needed to be "good." However that may be the case when kills can win a match. In a zone where there is no clock, no kill count, and no winner... To me, getting kills (in a zone) repeatedly while other teammates or heros/villians die is a sign of a poor player. We all know good players who zone like this I'm sure.

Odd. To speak on the OP, and make reasonable suggestions related to it, and spend 8 pages getting certified to have an opinion on the matter. I see myself as responding to trolls with class and dignity and respect and humor.


You quoted and repsonded to heavy sarcasm btw. Perhaps you didn't want me to be the only one making myself look ridiculous?

Xanatos, why don't you just write my response for me, then I can see what it is you want me to say to make you feel as though you made a good point.

You need me to disprove your solid and proven fact that states zone players are unable to avoid ranged attacks? Really?

Do I really have to be all serious when trying to disprove another one of your proven facts that states if you keep healing someone in a zone... the healing power will stop working altogether?

Or the one about healing being easier in large open zone and harder in a small arena map because it's harder to keep up with temmates in the smaller arena map.

No. No need to be all serious with these facts, because they aren't facts... so I choose instead to be funny and make jokes about them... sorry.

You missed the point again.

I actually agreed that's most good arena players would win in a match against a zone scrub... I don't remember saying anything about arena players losing to zone players.

You want me to believe that anyone who arenas can walk into a zone and roll everyone there regardless of the odds and what not against good zone players? Fine. If you're right and I'm wrong about this statement then things would sound like this:

Arena player do not fear but enjoy being farmed in zones when solo vs 4 good zone players and 2 heavies.

Arena players never call for help cause thats dumb in a zone. No, usually theres no need for teammates or communication at all when arena players go to zone. They solo zones all the time against 20 people and 3 heavies at once, all the time!

Arena players don't ask for arena matches in zones, cause there arena players... why would they, um wait. Arena players don't arena in zone cause they prefer the npcs and heavies of arena, no wait that's not it. tbh I have no idea how of why you feel the need to disagree about dumb stuff. If you've never ever ever heard a good skilled arena player come into a zone and advertise for an arena match. I can only asume you that your zone experience has been limited to BB or something.

Finally if you're right and I'm wrong, then good arena players never QQ about npcs in a zone, or QQ about anything ever really, except for PvP system as a whole when in zone, and when you want arena settings that they don't etc, or when you come to deh boards and lol at arena...

I have no doubt. I respect the arena and it's dedicated players for their desire to be such optimized and effective toons. I genuinely do. I have no choice but to shy away from it on some toons because I can recognize that toon's strengths/weaknesses will not fit into that setting. Other toons I have optimized and pimped out and would do fine in arena regardless simply cause I know how now to get farmed, basically. (that's mostly what matters, getting kills is secondary to that most often unless you tlk dat shat, lol)

Arena however as I stated before, means it is strictly a PvP enviroment. An enviroment that pretty much requires anyone who wishes to have PvP creditials to go to and compete to earn them, and one that allows for true, competitive PvP.

Fun and Skill for an average Arena diehard... may revolve around being able to rack up kills while on an optimized toon with other optimized toons helping to rack up kills versus other optimized toons wishing to do the same to you and your group before the tiimer runs out. It's completely understandable and fair to enjoy such a thing.

Zone means you might want to figure out how to deal 4 opponents and 2 EBs against just you and one other... as well as many other f*d up situations. This is the part where the skilled arena folk fear getting farmed and start calling for help or bcasting for others to arena them or QQ'ing about npcs or something. Understandable as well.

Fun and Skill for an average Zone diehard... may revovle around getting lots of drops form both good and bad players, having toons to switch to instantly when new threats are presented to one's team, or selflessly maintaining a PvE role effectively aka less foucused on getting kills and more focused on simply CC or Disruption, debuffing, healing, rezzing, recalling etc... and several other things I left out.

Feel free to deabte this. By now I'm sure you realize I'm more than happy to respond. However my overall point in the matter was that... based on two years of experiecnce of PvPing with traps in a zone. I think that the presence of one or several Good Trap/ Defenders in a zone would provide a much needed mobile safe zone for many heros ATs that require reliable AS, melee, and mez protection... especially in SC. Why? Because it isn't offered by any other set alone.

Feel free however to take the opinion of sucessful and honored arena goers with 0 experience with the set in PvP though. Makes little difference to me. I'm just trying to help.

As in AoEs have about 1% chance in hell of being useful in arena other than CC/Disruprtion powers on occasion while in a zone the oppourtunity presents itself time and time again. In PvPLand though as opposed to PVE, the numbers and stuff get all funny and killing groups one at a time is more skillful than killing them all at once. Which also means it equally requires more skill to keep others alive in a zone. Isn't it easier to keep others alive in the Arena X without HD and TS?
I agree. However, it also means that it equally requires more skill to keep others alive in a zone. Isn't it easier to keep others alive in the Arena X without HD and TS?


I get points easily, which is why I doubled mine with yours!


Exit (thread) now please. Please. I can't go any slower. gg indeed.

You say rare, but your attitude suggests unheard of and non existent. I don't believe enough time is being spent on the line that divides arena from zone PvP. Too often I believe we assume that if it works in arena it's guaranteed to work in a zone. This is true to a certain extent, but can create a learning block for many because the possibilities (whether viable sets or strategies) in an open zone are far greater than those existing in a controlled match.

Like the fact someone can use Warburg Nukes to debuff and damage a dozen heroes for 5 minutes when outnumbered 15 to 3 or something... (I hope I'm not the only one who does this)

I've have decent skill a lot longer than post-I13. Just because I chose to pick up a Traps toon and still be good in a zone doen't mean It's the only toon I have ya know.

Ok. Look it's usually best when a close buddy has to give you news like this so my apologies in advance. I doubt you will take it well.

The better players you speak of... the ones who really disliked PvP 2.0... quit the game Mac. They left and moved on to other things long long ago. The better players who stayed yet still disliked PvP 2.0, like yourself perhaps... went on to understand the new system anyway so they could stay good/better. Face it... you don't care about the mechanics as much as you care about being good/better... or you would have quit too, like the others.

The problem is that when arena 2.0 came along offering all the ability to play like it was 2008, the standards of sucess and skill and viability somehow got sucked into those checkboxes, preventing many good/better players from really investing time to see what was possible without removing TS, HD, etc... Understable indeed. However I think it took a lot of info and education away from PvPers, (esp here on the boards sorry) stopped many from investing time to stay good/better under PvP 2.0, and to this day is making it harder for new people to learn anything about PvP without it coming from the perspective of one who's grand achievements all rest in an arena with the preffered settings of 3 issues ago.

So these better players you speak of who shy away from an unpredictable zone, and cling to the thought that Zone PvP is dumbed down and beneath their skill level... well they're just like the people who have been zoning and getting good/better for the past year and a half who think arena is kinda dumbed down and beneath their Enjoyment level. Rare I know... but they're out there.

Only because the better players are still thinking in terms of ST. We'll get there X. We will.

I gave in a put my Traps Corr there last night and as expected had a fun time for a bit. He'll probably be there for a minute. At one point I had 4 or 5 toons there, but disliked getting all my good drops on freedom while my pesonal storage for all my several other toons was on virtue. To avoid the headache to come, I decided to stay on Virtue and just vacation toons on freedom.

I usually agree to most arena invites sent to me in a friendly fashion, but hardly ever search for matches or make KBs/join events/etc...

Don't get mad. It's where the best competitors go. Arena has the best set up for High-End Competition. Arena is where players go to compete. It offers better teams due to the need for all to have good listening and communicating skills.

Skill I think is relative to where you are and what you have to work with. Just because arena is where you go to compete, doesn't mean it's the only place to find PvP skill Mac.

I don't care about issues and changes made to what dude. I never have, cause I'm skilled.

LOL. Don't get me started on the little checkboxes box you call PvP. Damn robots are everywhere these days. It's weird to me that in order to justify "skilled" at PvP... you have changes the pvp rules back to an easier system, take away the ability to use most inherent and temp powers in the game, fight in a mission map, get to choose what size insp to bring 20 of, choose from only about 6-7 set combos, and always have the fight at even odds. Keep telling youself that guys.



lol, yeah that's pretty good. btw I think you missed the part where I said I also had a life so I very often don't spend every second trying to max a k/d ratio for the sake a weak ego. I PvP til get a drop or two, then I usually switch toons. I did that last night so...gg?

Look I wasn't bragging about kills, I was saying that I didn't get farmed and it is very much the case. Somehow... but not surprising in the least, that point was made but th topic then turned away from me getting farmed and onto how many kills I got. Happens a lot to me here on the boards when I make a good point. I don't think Con shared how many times he died in the three hours I was there while on his troller. I got 2 kills on him, and saw him die at least five or six more times trying to chase me.

But Really, that was pretty funny stuff there.

It's not a complex thought, it's a lie.


You get no KB from the animation when they are hovering Con. If you do it off the ground you make it harder for yourself and others to kill me, I'm sure you remember the tactic failing repeatedly. Finally, the stun from wormhole starts and is reduced while I'm already protected from stuns (before the actual teleport)... getting wormholed away from them does very little in terms of reducing my defnses... At first I really thought you were being cool and trying to keep me from getting ganked by the seven or so heroes you hung around, then I realized that you are probably just used to fighting bad players too.


Yes that silly scrapper was one of the 9 kills... wow you really were on my nuts last night. I thought there were lot of people to fight on Freedum. Did you like my costume?

Um, I have traps all over a zone BB, um wormholing peeps into mines when I'm not there isn't my bad... it's kinda yours. Make a bind for your wormhole, it would help that not happen so much.

Fix't for clarity

[Afterthought] It'd be nice to know why you were wormhoing me into the air also... I'm having a hard time figuriing that one out... being that you are a so called Grav/ master PvPer, lol

Take your time though... I'm goin to bed. I'm sure you'll have another good made up tale for me to read when I awake.

Con that's a lie.

I made you rage inwardly when I came to the zone, you stalked me and for some reason kept wormholing me into the air when I have hover and tp. (why exactly?) You attempted to put snowstorm on me several times and I evaded with stealth, TP, and/or temp placate... except for the one time the heavy hold got me. You and 5 other were around, but I'll give your /Cold troller the credit if you want.

I fought aginst you 1 on 1 for a bit without any traps what soever and while dodging some bad scrapper trying to KS you. I got you to a sliver of HP using just my 2 primary attacks but you got the kill on me. By that time I was on a team.. I died two more times to more than several heroes until my 2 month old woke up and I went to watch LOST.

I would absolutley love for you to tell me how you killed me 5 times on your grav/troller.