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Well, originally Nightcrawler's dad was an unknown. (I think they MIGHT have said something about him being some baron or something, but I'm not sure)

However, Chuck Austen came along, said "**** subtelty", and made him a demonic... mutant.... entity... thing. Y'know, cause Nightcrawler's character was known to be religious. WHAT A TWIST!

Afraid I'm not too sure what his powers are, since I can't read those stories ever again for fear of spontaneous stabbing of myself in the brain.

Well of course. It's superheroes and supervillains. Also a mad scientist style supervillain. It'd be more surprising if she DIDN'T come back from the dead.

Man-Thing?

This.

You mean Green Arrow fights people like Darkseid in his book too?

I didn't read any of Hawkeye's minis; did he solo Ultron in one of those?


As Durakken pointed out, in the JLA setting, Batman works best as the tactician. In that aspect he DOES surpass the other members.

Of course there are plenty of examples of lazily written Batman using deus ex machina to defeat a villain, but that's true of any character. That's how we got the "Batman can breathe in space" joke. But I don't think bad writing should count against a good character.

People who complain about Batman "only working" in his own world strike me as the same ones who complain that Superman is a bad character because he's too overpowered. Batman has his strengths within the Justice League, all it takes is some logic and imagination to make him "work".

By that logic nearly 50% of superheroes would have to be retired cause the Superman-level ones are more powerful than them. The Question would be out of a job. Heck, the entire Bat-family is apparantly obsolete. Green Arrow and Hawkeye are out. Even Capt. America would be up for the chop since he's nowhere near Iron Man or Thor level.


It just seems like such a strange argument to me. I'm not against making a "Batman in the real world" movie, and Nolan really hit it outta the park. I just don't cotton to the claims that Batman ONLY makes sense in that setting.



No, wait. Actually, I DO agree with that statement. I just don't give a ****. It's like when people point out that Indiana Jones could never survive falling out of a plane on a life-raft or be saved from a nuclear explosion by a fridge.

Who cares?

That's one of the main reasons I GO to movies (or read comics). I WANT to see the scrappy hero overcome odds he should have no chance of surviving.

Also, why is Batman always the one to get called out on this? There are plenty of characters with the exact same dynamic, yet nobody seems to say anything about them. I'm guessing it's just cause Batman's really popular.

I understand what you're saying, but simply for the sake of discussion, I'd guarantee that Batman's popularity wouldn't have spiked nearly as high without the Adam West TV show.

I like to think it's because of his own personal shortcomings. I recently watched 'Under the Red Hood' and I liked that Bruce's explanation for why he didn't kill was because if he started he wouldn't be able to stop. Like he recognizes his own weaknesses and knows that if he steps outside of the boundries he's drawn for himself, he'll inevitably become something he doesn't want to be.



And on a slightly more pithy note:


Well, if the "it's a comic book" explanation doesn't work, how about the "it's an action movie" explanation?

If the Transporter happened in real life, Jason Statham would've been dead within the first fifteen to twenty minutes. Aren't movies and comics what we go to so we CAN see something impossible?

Jackie Chan can't really fight off an army of dudes; he'd be overwhelmed fairly quickly. And these are movie's that are supposed to be taking place in our reality. Batman already operates within a fantastical world, why should that change for a movie?

Of course, I don't know why I'm arguing since I already said that I thought the Nolan movies were great. Guess I forgot that on the internet you can't state any critiques you might have for a product without someone assuming you hate it and telling why it's actually so much better than what YOU envisioned.

Actually, if we CAN have alternate visions of Batman, I'd be on-board for a Shumacher made Batman ala the Adam West series. If you took Batman and Robin, stripped out the pathetic attempts at drama and marketed it as a straight-up campy spoof, it really was a pretty decent West-Batman movie adaptation.

The silly villains, the pun-laden dialog, the mounds and mounds of camp... I'd be all for it. Of course, the responsibility of having two seperate movie Bat-verses would probably be too complicated for the mainstream movie-going audience to handle. Not to mention way too much responsibility for the Hollywood execs.

I just got really, really sad all of a sudden.

Have him just tear the whole top off, Hulk Hogan style.

And how awesome was THAT!!

Take note, Mr. Nolan!


And here's an idea. Don't reboot Batman, just jump forward in time. Since Begins, Dark Knight, and the third movie happened at the beginning of Batman's career, maybe the other heroes weren't mentioned simply because it wasn't a widespread thing just yet.

It would be assumed that during the time in between, there was a bit of a superhero-boom and the movie could focus on how Batman has learned to deal with that. It would also let us bring in Oracle, Nightwing, and Robin; and would even let them skip over Robin's "Boy Wonder" phase if they still don't want to do that, and have him already be in his late teens.

This was my gripe with Nolan keeping it so isolated and stuck in "realism". If they'd slipped in slightly more fantastical things with each movie, then it'd be a natural progression for when he moved up to the Justice League.

And I actually thought that was what they were doing; moving from the visually "safe" villain of Ra's al Ghul to the more fantastical Joker and Two-Face. Of course then Nolan informed us that we could kiss any hopes of seeing villains like Poison Ivy goodbye since they were just too silly for his grown-up Bat movies.

Skeets will probably be reduced to a computer program that talks to Booster through his earpiece there.

Just remember that for every woman you see, there's a hundred more that you don't.

Oh, I don't know. He's kinda got the hair and whineyness down already.

That was her weakness.

If a man tied her up, she lost her powers.

It'd be like making Superman a communist!





Oh, wait....