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Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Go for it! I'd be happy to read it.
Just remember though... If you want comments on it, you have to ask for them.. Since after certain personages had complete wobblers upon receiving honest criticism and wentcrying to the mods, people rarely offer it any more.
And if you DO ask for it, expect it to be honest.
They were actually quite justified in their actions, they weren't asking for criticism and you derailed their thread with your unasked for comments.
A PM would of been a million times more polite.
I mean it's not like your entirely problem free when it comes to the fiction/characters is it FFM?
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Waiting for some real life issues to stop hassling me.
If I were to write IC stuff, I'd certainly use it a cathartic experience, which would result in it being far too dark to post anyway. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fanservice
But that's the problem. Soon as you set RP as something that can be "won" no one wants to lose. Deciding who gets to win should be done beforehand, else it's only going to lead to frayed tempers. How else do you decide the resolution? The better RP'er wins? Yeah I can see people swallowing that one easily.
The only other alternative is actual PvP, which people are adverse too due to it being horribly unbalanced.
I've seen dice rolls used to decide OOC who wins what in other games. -
In the real world evil is a personal, subjective thing.
As an example, I see what the British government is doing to the poor and needy, and see that as evil. I doubt that Cameron and his peers see it that way (I could be wrong perhaps they twirl their mustaches and don top hats when not in front of a camera).
In some fictional universes it is also subjective.
Dr Doom is a good example of this, he has done some things that could be regarded as evil, 'oppressing' his people, trading his lover for magical armour, but he doesn't see himself as evil, and well it is possible to see him the same way. After all he turned a poor country into a super power, stopped starvation and poor working conditions and generally made the country a better place to live in. Depending on the writer the people of his country love him or hate him.
Moving on to the Punisher, since he is the main character of his comic book, we are to regard him as the 'good' guy, and yes usually the big boss of the arc is some sort of absolute scum bag, that most people would consider 'evil'. But what about the countless mooks that the Punisher kills along the way, people who turned to crime because they had to, only to be killed by a deranged psychopath on a revenge kick that should of ended years ago. So is the Punisher 'good' or 'evil'?
Batman is trying to prevent crime, trying to prevent any other children losing their parents, but his method of doing so inspires others to become his enemies, hurting more people in the process. Does this make him good or evil? How about the Red Hood, some one who has 'realized' that not all criminals are 'a cowardly and superstitious lot' and instead opts for controlling crime, and killing those who can't be controlled. Is he good or evil?
Now evil is not always subjective, personally I dislike this in a fantasy setting but it still happens.
The lore for Warcraft has the Light not just as the focus for a religion, but as a 'real' force and source of all good things in the universe. Likewise its counterpart the shadow is 'evil' and the source of all evil.
Which ultimately takes choice away from character in that universe, as their actions are purely reliant on how much they are influenced by either of these forces. -
Courageous, thats what theyd taken to calling her all those years ago, and the woman without fear, though that was a more recent addition. She took two steps back, then rushed forward, servos in her costume powering up as she leapt, she hits the roof and drops into a roll sending gravel spraying as she comes to her feet and again sprints to the edge of the rooftop, a leap of faith that carries her across a busy street, a flash of colour and brief shadow the only hint to the motorists below that shed passed them by.
A man had tried to make right, previous wrong doings, and had been left comatose in that attempt, he deserved better, and so did the world. Stepping off a building, she slows her fall by grabbing a window ledge, kicking back from it to grab the descending ladder of a fire escape, ridding it down to ground level.
Shed approach the crime scene like a normal person for now, albeit one in a colourful costume and mask. -
Would of done it myself as well, but RL hit me with a spanner, several times around the gonads and knees
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Hmmm, so we have three possible pick up points.
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Sounds good.
I'm in.
What I'm in as, all depends on you Devious. -
Quote:Which server do you play on?Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
It all makes me very sad. I'm not sure what to do to help her out. What she wants is to find a different group of players like herself to associate with on a regular basis but neither of us have much of a clue on how to find them. What I would like is to re-energize the rp in our existing group but I have no idea how.
On Union EU a few of the roleplayers are putting together an IC Mission Global channel, for finding people who want to level or run TF's while roleplaying.
It might be worth trying to do this on your server maybe? -
I'd just like to say this is a brilliant idea.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Shadowe
All we need now is Cass, CB and Pious to chime in, agreeing with everyone, and we'll have to ask Avatea to shut down Union for a few days while we all recover from the shock of all of the vocal personalities agreeing with each other.
Failing that, we ask her to organise a city-wide Malta invasion (a la the Carnie ones they did a while back).
I've always said, I don't take the effects of a TF/Issue as having happened in character/world lore, until they have stuff that happens IC/world lore after it. Like the Faultline stuff has happened, but the war is still going on.
Hmmm, now my suspicion sense is tingling to what is going to happen in I20, I susepct disappointment however. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Ravenswing
I have to agree it's lazy and it leaves me a little bothered since one of my characters lives in King's and is Praetorian.
I think I'd prefer the option of 'tension is increasing and heavily armed Praetorian incursions have begun,' at least until there's more detail on exactly how Primal forces are reacting to the situation.
Kinda how we have Longbow and Arachnos in Preatoria, both sides have operatives in the field?
The worlds wait with baited breath to see who throws the first punch, or backs down?
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Sort of like the cold war, but with more 'Superpowers' badum-tish.
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Quote:Alternatively it's up, down, down-forward, forward square for the triple fireball version. Or up, down, down-forward, forward square and hold up on re-appearing for magma columns, if you are the pretty boy version of a vampire.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Bah you know the only legitimate vampire fireball attack is for it to come in column of three as you swish open your cape (atleast until the vampire is partially defeated by a man in a leather skirt and whip, in which case you go all one winged angel and switch to the second form...usually something large and demonic but a grosstastic pile of organs is also fine). -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The only problem seems to be one you have, in that anyone level whatever HAS to have a certain power level.
In all practicality, a baseline human would nearly never be classed the same as a meta human with powers. Yet thats what we get. Guess why? Because it's a game mechanic.
I think I'm going to leave this to Z, Floaty and Omy, because they seem better at getting the point across without coming off like they want to gnaw someones face off, however. >_>
It's setting based on comic books, base line humans can and often do match up to the demigods, space aliens and mutants. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Zortel
Yes, it's full of charm, humour and fun. It may get a little repetitive later on, having dungeon crawling elements and all, but the characters are bright, vibrant and a good laugh, and I've been really enjoying playing it. Go go Indie Gaming. /offtopic.
Maddeningly hard though at first, becomes easier the more you level though.
Also those little girls, rich fairy and con artist, I hate them so much! -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well, in that case EVERY Hero has defeated Frostfire at the height of his power, EVERY Hero has 'killed' Nemesis, EVERY Hero has overseen the signing of the Rikti Peace Treaty, EVERY Hero has revealed the truth about Faultline, EVERY Hero-
Y'see my point?
Oh, and Lt Sefu Tndaji has risen from the dead more times than Optimus Prime.
And THAT is a bigger pile of BS right there.
That is the difference between setting and event.
In the setting the FBSA or whoever assign people a security level based on what level of threatening situation they can handle. They or another group assign a Threat rating based on how much of a threat a 'person' is. The higher the rating the more powerful* the person is.
This is part of the flavor of the universe, the lore, what makes CoX not Marvel/DC/Whatever
Now if you want your character who is OOC level 40 but you want them as level 1-5 IC we have a problem, your character directly conflicts the setting, by saying the FBSA have grossly misjudged your character. Since Azuria aside, the FBSA aren't shown to be incompetent, then you are directly challenging the lore of the setting.
There are of course ways around this, think up why would your character be regarded as such a high level** by the FBSA? Did they get lucky? Do they have powerful connections? etc.
*Powerful may not mean physical or mystically powerful, it could be a sign of intelligence, charisma, whatever just that you match the criteria for dealing with a situation of that nature.
**For purposes of clearance, not being incompetent, being able to deal with a situation. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
No, she's saying that your taking game mechanics literally, to the point that we're all having a disconnect here.
It's not just a game mechanic when it is referred to IC within the game universe!
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So what you are saying Z, is for some reason that the US governments method of rating a hero is IC'ly mistaken in Arrows case?
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Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
The security/threat system has NOTHING to do with RP. It's purely a game mechanic and has little to no bearing on RP if you don't want it to. Once again, you're trying to tell people how to play their characters. If we're getting in to THAT, then I'll tell you go kill off Tomb permanently.
Frankly that is BS!
It's referred to IC throughout the game.
As an example.Quote:Originally Posted by Gaussian
Drummer said that you had an impressive record, and I agree. However, I need something just a bit more impressive. Like, about 45 security or threat levels worth of impressive. I'll see you when you're ready.
Another example.Quote:Originally Posted by Everett Daniels
Sorry, but my next case is pretty sensitive. Maybe when you reach Security Level 10.
Notice how they aren't a generic error message? How they are written IC?Quote:Originally Posted by Julius the Troll
No way, Jose. Nothing for you until Security Level 10.
Are you still going to insist despite NPC's referring to it IC as existing, that Security/Threat level doesn't exist in the game universe?Quote:Originally Posted by Doc DelilahI'm sorry, kiddo, but you'll need to be at least security level 20 before you can handle what I have for you. -
Quote:Who said anything about knowledge?Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
My IC reasoning is that he (along with the rest of SABRE team IC) are taking a break from the Warzone and such to get some R&R while also mentoring other, younger Heroes and Heroines. I can and will create reasons as needs be and IF needs be.
But that doesnt magically destroy all the knowledge he has from when he was level 50 as Invul/EM. And if you tell me he has to magically forget it, I will laugh in your face.
Oh, and as Z says; Fun > Everything else
The rating also applies to stuff like survivability, and how well they can deal with a threat.
You say that they are taking a break and he no longer has the team behind him?
That's an understandable and plausible reason why they'd think he'd be less able to deal with different ratings of threats.
Trying to explain it a little better.
Mercs/traps MM level 50, rerolls as a AR/Traps corr.
IC this loss of threat level could simply be treated as the world/system not viewing him solo as much as threat as him + Bravo team. He's still the same person but now he's on his own. -
Quote:There is a difference between a hero having a preferred hunting ground and saying that you character is still 'street level' in power/skill/what ever at 40+.Originally Posted by Zortel
To be less whimsical and cutesy about it:
Yes, there are limits of suspension of disbelief. CB's axe he's grinding against Omega, I believe is pointless. Boundless Skies is inspired by, not an actual Exalted character with all the power thereof. We all take inspiration from things. Grey Whisper has her invisibility powers. Heck, even Azure Arrow is level 40, but he concentrates on Skyway/Kings Row and mostly helps the people in need there, and fends off gangers.
If it is really too much suspension of disbelief that he can be level 40 and do that, then the problem is not with me.
One is saying that you character prefers to fight street level crime, or prefers to help with local problems rather than costumed villains. That is fine, that is characterization.
But saying that your 40+ character, doesn't actually have any of the powers/skills/whatever that the game part of the RPG says he does, that IMO is asking every single person you meet to suspend their disbelief.
It goes even further if we consider the IC ways some one could learn of your character, the hero registration stuff? the threat system? Both of those have to be wrong whne you are wandering around in costume and some one calls out to you.
"Oh Captain Aamzing, Freakshow just kidnapped by brother, can you help me get him back?"
"Sorry Fletcher Lad, Freakshow are out of my league, anything more than a Hellion is beyond me!"
And Z, given that Omy whined about how unfair the game system was, and how it should of gone differently due to who Boundless is, when he used Boundless in an Arena match against Baron Eternity, I'd say my point was accurate.
I'm just saying that your Security level/Threat level should match your characters 'power' level, you want to play the low powered hero? Keep them low level. You want to be beyond the mightiest mortal, making people tremble in your presence? Get level 50 before you start RPing like that.
The security/threat system is an IC thing, its presented to us in the game universe, and not purely a game mechanic. Which means IMO it shouldn't just be hand waved away like a pure game mechanic, as its part of the CoX verses setting. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Wrong, actually.
As far as I've seen, Omy wants his level 50 character (or at least some of them) to NOT be treated like that. Like his fully levelled Fallout character to be treated like someone still wandering around Megaton, or an Oblivion character to have never left Imperial City, to use your own analogies.
Really, theres only so far you can push game mecahnics until they become boring, restrictive and, the most important one, not fun.
I'm not talking about level 1 characters having insane power, because that is just pure power-tripping and god-moding. But, to use my example, my currently level 26 Tanker is the same who was previously level 50. Due to game mechanics, I ended up re-rolling him. If your now saying that he has to be weaker than he was simply due to a re-roll, at least IC, then I shall simply laugh at that, and you know it.
Honestly?
You should of made the re-roll an IC event. Something weakened him and he now has to learn how to deal with the changes in his powers/equipment.
I did when I rerolled Twilighter.
Hell they do it in comics all the time.
Otherwise to use the Pen and Paper example again, you are wanting everyone and the game mechanics, to treat your character as if he's still your paragon pathed max level paladin, when it says level ten barbarian on his sheet. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Only that 'Game reality' is taking Game mechanics as infallible and absolute law. Which I and others just simply don't buy.
I think (and this may come out far harsher than I intended) what Tech and Omy, both seem to have forgotten is that this is an RPG.
That is to say a Role Playing Game.
A game has rules and constraints, it sets the players boundaries to play within.
What Omy is essentially saying is his maxed out character in Fallout should be considered just the same as some one fresh from the vault. Or that his newly escaped from Prison character in Oblivion should be head of the mages guild, without having to do the quests, simply because he says so.
One of the constraints of this RPG is that as players increase in power/skill/intelligence/magic/whatever their security/threat level increases and thus they can go fight/commit the more dangerous situations.
To become slightly personal, Omy you have characters based on another RPG, Exhalted PnP right?
What you are doing is saying you want to be able to insert these characters into another game without doing any of the work to even get them to be of the equivalent powerlevel within that rule set.
You want to play an Exhalted level character despite your character sheet being that of a level 1 paladin in DnD, you are saying the dice should be stacked as if you were a level 30 with divine path feats.
It just doesn't fly, this isn't after all just a chat forum. -
Quote:Then you shouldn't get them to level 50 in the first place, find a comfortable spot where in the game storyline they are still stopping street crime, rather than twisted mutant rocks and dimensional doubles.Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
And what if I don't want my level 50's to be gods and goddessess huh?
Though if you're bringing up that level s related to power level, why I'd like to present exhibit A:
General Aarons
An old man with just a gun and his fists, yet a Security Level of the 40s (In the RWZ at least, which would be his most recent apperance).
And as for the general?
Manticores just a man with some trick arrows and a bow, yet he's level 53. the General in question could do all sorts of bad *** things we haven't seen, hell he could of single handedly held of an Arachnos assault on the Pentagon with just his fists and his gun.
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I think you might be assuming that I mean powerful in a purely physical sense. I don't, the character in question merely needs to be able to go up to that power level of encounter, whether they use physical strength, skill, intelligence or charisma or prep time to do it is up to the player to decide, but they are still a 'global' player IC at 50. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
It is however not a measure of power, as we've established. It isntead appears to be a rating of how much trust the government puts in you(Such as having to be 35 to get to the Warzone and tha teh higher arcs invovle secrets and conspriacies) or how much of a threat they view you as.
And of course once again we come to the problem of that might not fit with what we want it to, and that security levels almsot never come up in RP.
I mean really CB, it's like you're arguing for arguings sake here.
Where are you getting the information that its not a measure of power from Omy?
The higher either of your ratings the more high profiled, dangerous and powerful foes they send you against.
And I don't mean that in a purely game mechanics term, as it stated and shown through story lines.
I guess another way to put it would be.
'You want to play a god/goddess on Earth? At least put in some effort and get level 50 first, before you expect us to bow to your wisdom and might.'