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Quote:Originally Posted by Crazy_Dragon
If I was a Defiant player reading this thread -I- would have second thoughts. :\
In any case, is it worth mentioning Pious' Union Universe forum (tinyurl.com/unionforums - a bit geared towards Nighthunters antics and a little on the quiet side) and Bunny's Unionverse forum (URL completely forgotten
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If you were a Defiant player... you'd have Golden Girl so... -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fanservice
The Game isn't immune to silly plots either.
it's fairly easy to understand level 20 time wise happens before level 30 and so on.
So Agincourt being destroyed at level 25 could of been rebuilt by level 30, since there is no actual time period told to us. -
Quote:Agincourt gets blown up like six or seven times 1-50, if it can get rebuilt quick enough to invite a 'major' world heroine over after being smashed up by some villains.Originally Posted by Fanservice
God you're killing me here. This is such a simple point, how can you miss it so badly? -
Quote:To say that your Longbow character works at Agincourt for example is sort of okay, despite you having no real way to show that.Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
The road that train of thought leads down ends in "Why do we even RP in this game anyway?" though CB.
I myself see no problem with saying someone works somewhere or lives somewhere so long as (And this is the important bit) it's within reason and that's the key part here.
To say that your Longbow character works at Agincourt and thus throw a wrench in anyones plans to use that location for plots, despite it being used several times in game canon is well... I'd say 'Why don't you work at a none plot used Longbow camp, and let people use Agincourt as it is in game?'. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
As if I needed more reason to despise Vigilante's, the point stands, there are thousands of generic bases for villian groups out there, however if you refer to a -specific- one that someoen has a character workng at and then -specifically- state you killed everyone there, good job, you just godmode killed thier character.
To be fair, saying you are working at X canon location is a bit iffy in the first place. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
Saying you blew up the entirety of the fort and made sure everyone who worked there was dead however, is a bit much.
I refer you to the vigilante mission in which you blow up an entire council base, with everyone inside.
Everyone inside mind you because you sleeping gassed them first to make sure they were stuck inside. -
Certain people being bell ends and playing characters that make a seven year olds fantasy Naruto fan fiction self insert Mary Sue electing themself as some sort of RP commissar is not 'good reason'.
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Quote:Funny enough happened to me during the Open Season plot line.Originally Posted by Fanservice
No of course not it'd be silly. But again no one, absolutely no one, is saying that except you.
Your example would be very bad for RP. But it's not what happens, it's not what is going to happen and it's never happened before that I can recall. Let's stop pretending it's endemic. We could get back to RP if people would just stop pretending that saying "No" to something in RP is the very thing that's killing RP and making out with its corpse. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
All the best games go free to play after a year - it's the one sure sign of success in the MMO industry
It could be taken as a financial model change in the Post WoW era of modern MMO production. -
If CO was a failure, dang City of heroes must of failed so hard that we've some how been playing its ghost for all these years.
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Shadow asked what I meant by being 'unable to RP a superman OOC'. Well after some thought on how to explain it here I go.
Superman as we know is the big blue boy scout, always listening for trouble, always there before a disaster or mere seconds after one to help out. That as an RP concept is fine, but to be able to RP it correctly IC requires a lot of effort OOC.
Now this isn't an attack, I'm not saying people aren't trying hard enough, but it would require a supreme amount of free time and effort to be a superman character in the Unionverse, you'd need to be able to jump into every plot, arrive in the nick of time with your cowlick of hair and corn fed wisdom.
But of course no one really has that much time, or enough plot interest to do so. At that point if they demand that plots they 'can't ignore' should go away, then perhaps perhaps they aren't suited to RPing that type of character. The alternative is just to have an IC excuse.
Recently there was a Superman comic, in which he was confronted by people he'd failed to help, or more accurately those he wasn't there to help, he was confronted by a woman who'd lost her husband in a fire, who demanded to know why he wasn't there to save him. Of course plot demanded that he couldn't answer her, and instead went on a soul searching walk around the USA.
He could of replied that he was in City D saving it from being taken over from the Hive, or on Planet X, saving the Xians from the deadly Y's in the Z galaxy.
And that's what I was trying to get at, it's not fair to RP a superman character, and demand that everyone else never make plots that are 'too large' for your liking. You are the one playing the superman, the ball's in your court as to why you aren't there. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Aye. Morden, for example, is blindly loyal to Cole. Mostly because of a certain powerful psyker flicking all the levers and gears inside the poor sods head.
But thats a whole other plot
Ooooooooo I think I might have solved a problem for you regarding the I20 stuff.
You could help take down Cole for Mother :P
After all the Praetors are all scheming against each other and Cole as well :P -
Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
I don't see how you figure that, at all. A characters power level has zero to do with whether the player wants the time they pay for to be dictated by people they might not even know.
Players A and B, D, E, F, X and Z are running a large scale plot, they have occasional other players dropping in and out of it.
Player C plays a character capable of warp speed interstellar flight, the ability to sense trouble over the entire globe and the ability to navigate to anywhere on the globe with a second. Player C does not want to be involved, Player C also refuses to come up with an IC reason for not getting involved, instead Player C demands that the plot should be changed since their Pretendy Fun Time character is so great and powerful that nothing could IC prevent them from being involved in the plot, and they don't want to be involved OOC.
Should players A-Z make all their plots suitable to Player C's taste, or should Player C perhaps be more considerate to everyone else and tone down their Captain Everywhere character?
Which would be fairer? -
Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
And no, they shouldn't have to justify to anyone why they don't want their pretendy fun time dictacted by someone else's pretendy fun time. If that situation is reached, the plot was probably too big.
Alternatively if that situation is reached, the character was probably too overpowered.
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Not an attack, but when some ones pretendy fun time character is able to dictate how other people choose to spend their pretendy fun time, then we reach a problem. -
Quote:Trying not to start an argument, but you did make a demand of me to explain why your character didn't get involved in a large scale event. My reply of 'it's your character come up with your own reason' was not met with politeness.
Now, if that is what you're saying, then fine, though it is a bit of a kneejerk reaction. As someone who does have a superhuman hero, it is, indeed, my responsibility to provide IC reasons why he doesn't get involved in some plots that he becomes aware of - usually, he's too busy at work, or is investigating something somewhere else and trusts other heroes to deal, Bob's your Uncle, Fanny's your Aunt.
Just yesterday we had a fun event in Praetoira 'Loyalists versus Arachnos', should that event become none cannon just because some one who has an IC Resistance member who would know about it and have to be involved IC, wasn't able to get there due to OOC reasons? Or didn't like one of the players involved and thus refused to go? Would that be fair to the people who enjoyed the event and progressed their characters story from it?
To keep on topic of the thread, how about some form of voting method for deciiding which events/plot lines, etc become cannon to the universe? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dante
I agree with all the good advice above. One word of warning though, if you choose to rp a hardline loyalist that supports Cole despite all the game throws at you, you will struggle when you get towards the final arcs.
I know, for I was that soldier.
It's probably why there isn't a pro-Cole loyalist story line. Powers is loyalty to me,me,me,me! and Responsibility is loyality to the citizens of Preatoria not the administration, Praetors or even Cole. -
Quote:Pretty much this, if you do the Warden and Responsibility arcs you'll notice they share the same theme of 'Do the ends justify the means?'.Originally Posted by Ravenswing
You need two basic concepts to play your Praetorian:
1. Do you support the Cole Regime?
2. Do the ends justify the means?
Powers Arc is 'all about me' showing the self serving side of the administration.
Crusader Arc is your generic Anarchistic Freedom Fighter stuff. -
You know the well might not be the one talking and grabbing champions. The well itself could be a none sentient energy field that grants the ability for super powers to exist.
The talky Mc Gee could just be some BBEG that's trapped within the Well, that's encouraging people to become incarnates so they'll directly tap the well and thus either become a puppet for the BBEG or possibly weaken the Well enough that the BBEG can escape.
In a later issue we have the BBEG escape and our long route heroes must fight him/her/it with their none direct incarnate powers, meanwhile the BBEG tries to take over the universe with its army of direct incarnate mind slaves? -
Fricking Scrapyarders for one thing and more ambushes.
And ambushes of Scrapyarders.
Yeah red side is harder than blue.
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And Paragon Police Glue Guns! Hate those! -
Quote:Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Are you saying you aren't thrilled that you now GET to share an origin with Marcus Cole, the most heroic and yet most vile, most powerful and yet most emotionally vulnerable, most humorless and yet most charismatic man ever to live in any timeline, plane of existence, or marketing campaign since the dawn of Adam (who, it will later be revealed, was actually an aspect of Marcus Cole)?
All powers share the same 'source' in CoX.
Kinda like DC with its meta-gene or Marvel's 'everyones a mutant, till we killed them all off lol!' explanations for people getting super powers. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
CB, I can RP Alpha just fine. RP is meant to be pretendy fun-time games, not a freaking job.
The mantra 'RL>RP>EXP' has been used in the Corp for a long, long time now, and I think it should bear true for pretty much everything else.
If what you say were to be true, then no one should ever RP a character using powersets as proxys, or fudging costume details slightly, and they sure shouldn't have more than one powerset per character, or ever break WYSIWYG ever, at all, never ever. Because that'd be breaking the exact same rule.
Should explain that more.
If you can't RP a superman OOC, then please don't roll one IC if you aren't willing to give IC reasons why you aren't there. To force others to not RP how they like just because you can't/won't get involved, because you don't want to give your superman an excuse, is being just as much as a god moding jerk as you think others are by having them 'force' RP on you.
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If you can't RP a superman OOC, then please don't roll one IC.
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You mean the same ~Kings Row~ that has a constant clockwork giant monster problem?
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Quote:Originally Posted by je_saist
No. They do not.
Please read my post on the first page of this thread: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...50#post3544650
Very, and I mean very, few free-to-play model games manage to post profits. The reason they seem to post profits is because there are so many games using the free-to-play model, and some franchises, such as those run by Zynga, do actually succeed in posting profits on par with the traditional commercial game market.
The thing is, free-to-play games with cash-add-ons do not need to generate massive profits. For the most part free-to-play games use simple game engines with simple game mechanics. Most free-to-play games do not have to support an entire corporation, nor do they have to support the development of other games. All most free-to-play games have to do is generate enough income to cover on-going operating costs of that game.
That free-to-play business model falls apart when considering traditional games.
In the case of NCSoft the profits from games like City of Heroes, AION, Guild Wars, and Lineage are not just funneled back into each developer. Profits are funneled into other games, such as Tabula Rasa, eXteel, Dungeon Runners, and Auto Assault. As a publisher NCSoft takes a chance with each game. Tabula Rasa, for example, put a huge dent in NCSoft's pockets, and City of Heroes was largely credited with saving NCSoft's financial hide that year.
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Now, that being said, will Cryptic go under?
No, but it won't be because of profits from Champions Online or Star Trek Online. While those games have indeed put a drain on Infogrames finances, and while it is likely that neither game will ever actually post a profit back on either their day to day operating costs or total cost of development, that alone won't kill Cryptic.
Cryptic won't go under because Infogrames won't let Cryptic go under. Infogrames, for some reason or another, intends to keep using Cryptic to hammer out MMO after MMO after MMO, and eventually hope something in the resulting chain of games turns into a big hit.
Now, what happens when Infogrames goes under due to their inability to understand the games market? Cryptic will likely go up on the auction block for a fire-sale price.
I'm going to have to say my research paints an entirely different picture. Particularly of the Taiwanese and Korean MMO markets. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I realise that, but I didn't know people were treating it as 'This is Union' until it was brought up on channels in game.
And the ***** fit is for the same reason I gave above. Rebel came in and voiced his concerns politely and reasonably. Others have raised points and asked questions. And then it all goes to hell in a handbasket with a ***** fit post (the one to which I responded)
I meant the initial "Oh noes my characters would totally have to investigate the rifts, but I don't want to do so, so I'm going to act like a chimp in the zoo and fling my poop around until I can ignore it both IC and OOC, despite it being entirely my fault that I RP a character that would do things I don't want to do." ***** fit.
I mean it's a good things the portal in portal corp revolve because Primal Earth needs a fricking revolving door for all the trans-reality visitors they get.