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  1. Bronze Knight
    I was able to see the image but couden't type it in fast enough. O well I may or may not buy this tomaro not sure it has any thing worth getting in it.
  2. Bronze Knight
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  3. Bronze Knight

    Market Merger

    POST-ACTION

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Moderator 08 View Post
    MA Tickets will not be Gleemailable. Sorry.


    Noooooooooo!
  4. Bronze Knight

    Market Merger

    POST-ACTION

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Avatea View Post
    Q: You said that there are some restrictions that apply to what items we can mail to our other characters, what are they?

    A: The restrictions on mail will be as follows:
    • Trial accounts will not be able to use Global email.
    • Trial accounts will not be able to claim more than 50,000 inf.
    • Merits cannot be globally emailed.
    • Vanguard Merits cannot be globally emailed.
    • The Gamestop Going Rogue Pre-Order Enhancements cannot be globally emailed.
    HOLY KRAP

    MA TICKETS ARE GLEEMAILABLE!


    O ya do the happy dance people!
  5. Bronze Knight

    Market Merger

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    Linky linky

    Next they'll tell us there buffing mercenaries!
  6. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Charcoal_EU View Post
    You did not understand me. I am not asking for all the existing animations to be changed such that they do not involve lower body movement.

    I am asking for them to be changed such that they assume the lower body will move as it needs to for the upper body animation to work. Most power seem to fit one of not (that) many patterns for the upper/lower body boundary: forward slightly, forward and down, down slightly, float upwards and down, float upwards while turning around, the slight up-down of the footstomp? in the heavy melee attacks like headplitter... (DP does not follow this pattern as much but that's a special case, for now).

    So the powers would use their existing animations and the lower body itself would use an animation to fit the required pattern. And since there are a lot less patterns than powers it would become feasible to add and animate non-humanoid forms (like in my previous post in this thread) or "limited" humanoid forms like floor-length robes/skirts.


    I understand this might require too much effort to be practical despite the potentially huge increases in customization that would result, so I am only asking David/other devs to look into this with a "can we do this?" check, as opposed to suggesting that it must be done.

    I just want to expand on this a bit because this is something you don't see very often in games. Due to the fact that its so hard to do well. As has been pointed out.

    Now because a picture tells a thousand words... (its from Rifts)
    And here is another example. He's a bit more main stream for those that don't know about Rifts.


    Now I know were never going to have the ability to have 4 arms or back mounted cannons or any thing. I'm not suggesting that... Well maybe back mounted cannons at some point...

    Any way moving on.

    I would LOVE to have Tracks as a monstrous legs option. This would necessitate all kicks becoming punches and I'm sure a thousand other little problems we players will never know of. For example forcing the player to pick those animations which work with the legs they have. Even so I think it would be so very very cool and something no other MMO can boast of.


    After we have tracks we can move on to other things like hover sled bodys and wheels and spider legs. (This is a Necon Destroyer from WH40K) I don't have a good wheeled robot pick any one got one?

  7. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja View Post
    Try not drinking it,

    .....

    Dose not compute.
  8. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kybarsfang View Post
    i have a running theory that at least half of the bs/sd players out there put up with the endurance problems because the combo allows the maximum amount of shiny dressup. :d

    Must. Get. More. Vanguard Merits!
  9. Bronze Knight
    I drink a lot of Sunkist, but I also like Mountain Dew and Mellow Yellow. I don't know if Caffeine dose any thing for me or not any more. I stay up I drink soda till midnight and then I go to bed and am out like a light in 30 min.
  10. Bronze Knight
    I just found out that the Vanguard Shield is frekin ANIMATED!


    IT IS AWESOME!

    Also can we chage the color of hilt with the secendary color for the Vanguard BS and Katana?
  11. Bronze Knight
    Why? you can make a Arch/TA coruptor now. I say again

    WHY!


    Look LK!
  12. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
    The worst part of it all is that the ruler is scaled to the world, but the NPCs in the world are not. If you're of average height on the ruler, you're to-scale with cars, doors and buildings, but tiny compared to even basic civilians. If you're average as to what looks normal, you're to-scale with the various civilians, villains and (most) other NPCs, but you're HUGE compared to buildings and cars. So it's not a simple matter of fixing the ruler, because the ruler is actually right. It's EVERYONE ELSE in-game that's wrong, and re-sizing all the NPCs at this point is just out of the question. Too much work and too many people left with unintentionally huge characters.

    This is what I was trying to say.

    IMO they should re-size the civilians at least I there are prolby only 10 0r 20 of them that get reused with different items and names they may even be generated randomly and locale. Obviously resizing every NPC is to much work but the civilians should be doable.
  13. Bronze Knight
    One thing to note here is that If you make a female 8 "feet" tall and stand next to a regular mission door. The top of your head will be even with the top of the door. This would be consistent with doors in "Real Life" for most commercial doors. Many doors in your average household are around 7 feet.

    I do however agree that the sense of scale dose at times feel off in COH/V.
  14. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FightMan View Post
    I've got an idea, get rid of Serum and replace it with

    Fortification:
    The mercenaries dig in and commit to a defensive position. They become nearly impossible to move and gain a bonus to resistance. They also gain range and damage bonuses from the superior firing position.

    I like this idea. I think its unique and could have the coolest animation ever.
  15. Bronze Knight
    Hmm ok so I am right to ask them to charge in first. Just had some bad players then.

    Well thank you all at least now I know I'm doing it right and not being a total a**.
  16. Bronze Knight
    Asks a question.

    Please note I have never played a Tanker but I like to lead PUGs. In fact its all I do. That said I would like to know why a taker when the only one on the team, follows behind me the scraper now we all know that scrappers are suppose to charge large groups of solid purple bad guys and walk away .... some times but its the tanks job to make sure that happens right?

    So why to 1/2 the Tanks I invite to my teams let me charge? Seriously the team runs in and stops a little ways away from a group and stares at it....

    stares at it some more....

    The defenders AOE heal goes off... it must be on auto I wonder if there afk?....

    O look now the blaster is running in... and 1 ..2 ...3 yep DEAD.

    O now NOW the tank rushes in there we go.

    Agin over the past week of running a PUG always a full team. I see this happen all the time some times every DAM SPAWN.

    Ok ok I'll talk to him maybe hes on the phone or something

    Team Valkyries Executor: Hea (tanks name) can you pleas rush ahead of the group to take the alpha?
    Team Tankzor: Don't tell me how to play my AT.
    Team Valkyries Executor: ... Ok but nobody else can take the alpha can you please play a bit more aggressively?
    Team Tankzor: @#$% you Mother#$%&#@
    Tankzor has quit the team.
    Team Valkyries Executor: S*** hang on a sek guys getting a Warshade.


    Again this isn't an isolated thing at least 3-4 different tanks have all played the same way, waiting for some one else to attack, and reacted the same way when I asked them to be a bit more aggressive.

    So please enplane to me how you guys play Tanks? Because clearly I don't understand what the point of your AT is. Or why you wate for some one else to attack the spawn and get the alpha.
  17. Bronze Knight
    Happy Birthday Posi!
  18. Bronze Knight
    You notice that this is at LEAST the third time Steelclaw has made this thread.
  19. Bronze Knight
    Thank you. This build is the one I'll go with I think. I can deal with the 8.5 less +damage. Seeing as how everything else is better. I do reget the loss of the good buffer I had on my range defense it would help prevent the whole cascading defense failure thing. Even so I think I'll do fine. The only reason I had the +Stealth in there was because I wasn't thinking. My MM and Coruptor both have them because there low HP a scraper, especially THIS scraper won't have that problem.


    In any case I plan on getting Numas, Miracle, Steadfast, and Performance Shifter Uniques all with merits. That's the one good thing about blue side lots of TF's to run.
  20. Bronze Knight
    Hmmm heres another build. I dropped One With The Shield because its nothing more than a panic butten. However if I'm soft caped I don't think I'm going to need it.

    Also this toon is already Level 35 and has lots of vet specks to burn no worrys there.


    Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
    http://www.cohplanner.com/

    Click this DataLink to open the build!

    Valkyrie's Executor: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
    Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
    Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
    Power Pool: Flight
    Power Pool: Fitness
    Power Pool: Fighting
    Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery

    Hero Profile:
    Level 1: Hack
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    • (3) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (5) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (21) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (21) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    Level 1: Deflection
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (3) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (5) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (19) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (45) Red Fortune - Defense
    • (46) Red Fortune - Endurance
    Level 2: Slice
    • (A) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
    • (7) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
    • (7) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
    • (25) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
    • (27) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
    • (27) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
    Level 4: Battle Agility
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (9) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (9) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (15) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (15) Red Fortune - Endurance
    • (17) Red Fortune - Defense
    Level 6: Hover
    • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
    Level 8: Parry
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    • (11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (29) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (31) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    Level 10: True Grit
    • (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
    • (13) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
    • (13) Miracle - +Recovery
    Level 12: Active Defense
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    • (42) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 14: Fly
    • (A) Freebird - +Stealth
    • (17) Freebird - FlySpeed
    Level 16: Against All Odds
    • (A) Endurance Reduction IO
    Level 18: Swift
    • (A) Flight Speed IO
    Level 20: Health
    • (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
    Level 22: Stamina
    • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
    • (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod
    • (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
    • (25) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
    • (48) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
    • (48) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
    Level 24: Whirling Sword
    • (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
    • (29) Obliteration - Damage
    • (31) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    Level 26: Disembowel
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (36) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (36) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    Level 28: Build Up
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 30: Kick
    • (A) Empty
    Level 32: Head Splitter
    • (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
    • (37) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (39) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
    • (39) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (39) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
    Level 35: Shield Charge
    • (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
    • (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
    • (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
    • (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
    • (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (42) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    Level 38: Phalanx Fighting
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (40) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (42) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (43) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (43) Red Fortune - Defense
    • (43) Red Fortune - Endurance
    Level 41: Caltrops
    • (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
    Level 44: Targeting Drone
    • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
    • (45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
    • (45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
    • (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
    • (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
    • (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
    Level 47: Tough
    • (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
    Level 49: Weave
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (50) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (50) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (50) Red Fortune - Defense
    ------------
    Level 1: Brawl
    • (A) Empty
    Level 1: Sprint
    • (A) Run Speed IO
    Level 2: Rest
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 1: Critical Hit
    Level 0: Ninja Run



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  21. Bronze Knight
    A few things first this is a thematic build in that Fly and Targeting Drone are necessary. Also keep in mind that This toon is going to have to fund herself. (Via farming/TF's) So please do try and keep the price down. I realize that the Build I have now ant cheep ether but still. I would like soft cap ranged and mele and I've done that. With AOE almost at 40%.

    Now for the build

    Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
    http://www.cohplanner.com/

    Click this DataLink to open the build!

    Valkyrie's Executor: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
    Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
    Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
    Power Pool: Flight
    Power Pool: Fitness
    Power Pool: Fighting
    Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery

    Hero Profile:
    Level 1: Hack
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    • (3) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (5) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (21) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (21) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    Level 1: Deflection
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (3) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (5) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (19) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (45) Red Fortune - Defense
    • (46) Red Fortune - Endurance
    Level 2: Slice
    • (A) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
    • (7) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
    • (7) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
    • (25) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
    • (27) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
    • (27) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
    Level 4: Battle Agility
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (9) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    • (9) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
    • (15) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (15) Red Fortune - Endurance
    • (17) Red Fortune - Defense
    Level 6: Hover
    • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
    Level 8: Parry
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    • (11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (29) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (31) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (31) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    Level 10: True Grit
    • (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
    • (13) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
    • (13) Miracle - +Recovery
    Level 12: Active Defense
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 14: Fly
    • (A) Freebird - +Stealth
    • (17) Freebird - FlySpeed
    Level 16: Against All Odds
    • (A) Endurance Reduction IO
    Level 18: Swift
    • (A) Flight Speed IO
    Level 20: Health
    • (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
    Level 22: Stamina
    • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
    • (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod
    • (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
    • (25) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
    Level 24: Whirling Sword
    • (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
    • (29) Obliteration - Damage
    • (31) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
    • (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    Level 26: Disembowel
    • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
    • (34) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
    • (36) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (36) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
    Level 28: Build Up
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 30: Kick
    • (A) Empty
    Level 32: Head Splitter
    • (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
    • (37) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (39) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
    • (39) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (39) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
    Level 35: Shield Charge
    • (A) Obliteration - Damage
    • (36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
    • (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
    • (40) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
    • (40) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
    Level 38: One with the Shield
    • (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
    • (40) Aegis - Resistance
    • (42) Aegis - Endurance/Recharge
    • (43) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
    • (43) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
    Level 41: Caltrops
    • (A) Tempered Readiness - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
    • (42) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Damage/Slow
    • (42) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Endurance
    • (43) Tempered Readiness - Range/Slow
    • (45) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Slow
    • (45) Tempered Readiness - Damage/Slow
    Level 44: Targeting Drone
    • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
    • (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
    • (46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
    • (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
    • (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
    • (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
    Level 47: Tough
    • (A) Resist Damage IO
    Level 49: Weave
    • (A) Red Fortune - Defense
    • (50) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
    • (50) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
    • (50) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
    ------------
    Level 1: Brawl
    • (A) Empty
    Level 1: Sprint
    • (A) Run Speed IO
    Level 2: Rest
    • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
    Level 1: Critical Hit
    Level 0: Ninja Run



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  22. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan View Post
    Radio missions don't cause stupidity. In fact, they're probably the smartest way to get right to running missions, since every other way is, as you aptly described, more convoluted. It is rather unfortunate that the easiest and most convenient path to gameplay is also the one that offers the least interesting gameplay, but that's hardly the fault of the players.

    I also have some doubts about citing familiarity with the poorly designed legacy systems of a pretendy fun time game as proof of intelligence.
    This is so very true.

    I PUG exclusively its all I do in this game I don't like SG's and honstly never found one that was worth sticking with. New players are often the same way often they only pay every month. Some times they may not even have the cash to do that so staying with the same group of people is a difcult thing to do. I like to lead teams and on redside I'll do a story line every now and then If I've done it before and know what to expect, but on blue side?

    Forget it.

    You advrage PUG dosent have the time or inclation to sit there wile you go 3 zones over for an intorduction. Just dosen't happen. Raidos are sadly the only real PUG content that can be done in the advrage PUG time frame. (1 to 2 houres). My playtime is about 4 houres continuness I start a team (full team I always try to keep it full) at 8p.m. and keep it going till 12:01a.m. Allmost allways by the time I log at 12 its a compleatly diffrent group of people than when I started. PUGs are fast paced and don't want excuses they want XP and they wanted it 10 min ago. What we need are mini stoy arks that are 2-4 missions long and STAY IN ZONE. Content like that would be great for PUGS.
  23. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sailboat View Post
    I really want to be able to turn off the faint glow and downdraft from Jump pool toggles. If I leave Combat Jumping active, I have some kind of animation flowing constantly from my fists (why the fists?) while standing there. It's irritating that I can remove the FX from many primary and secondary powers entirely, but the pools.
    This hasten is IMO the worst offender but CJ, SJ, hover, fly Could do away with there VFX.
  24. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crimson Vanquisher View Post
    None of this has to be obligatory and even the most retentive of those types of players eventually finds a way to justify to himself why his character carries out missions like the ones proposed by the OP.
    Agin I am all for this change.


    However its still a Change. People don't like change. I was simply trying to inform the OP that he was going to have to defend agenst this tipe of argument and offed the most obvious Hand-waving option for those people.
  25. Bronze Knight
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlueBattler View Post
    Now that practically everyone can play a HEAT or VEAT if they so desire, any chance we might get some more official content or tweaks for them?

    For example, maybe the VEATs could get a version of the PPD Radio where they're "assigned" to handle specific situations in their official capacity as an Arachnos Soldier.

    The Kheldians could get missions specific to their origin: tracking down supplies of quantum rifles, putting down rogue Kheldians, that sort of thing.

    I have no prolblem with this however not every ones VEAT is still a lackey of Arachnos. In fact I think part of the "official" cannon has it as you left because you were fed up with Lord Recluse/special treatment of the project DESTINY.

    Now not every ones back story follows that theirs always room for other options but if any thing like this ever came along it would have to be optional. Prehaps they can use the new side switching tec to also add a loyalty to Arcachnos/Roge Arcachnos system along with the side switching stuff and maybe tie it into the incarnate system.