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Quote:In the real world it's more than a bunch of tip missions.Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
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Quote:What's even sadder is how willing you are to hate on someone who had less to do with the closure than Andy did.Originally Posted by Kyuuen
Andy Belford is looking for a job, while anonymous NCSoft reps still get a paycheck.
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Quote:Let me summarize: TonyV says "Keep on fighting, this is not bad news."Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
what's ongoing?
VV says "NCSoft are liars, the campaign is working."
Oh, and this will make you laugh - a bunch of people are repeating a rumor that Trion offered 80 million for CoH. -
Quote:As I noted, it's against the EULA. Whether it's legally enforceable or not is another matter, but as a matter of integrity, I like to try to abide by my agreements.Originally Posted by Lazarillo
There aren't really any other practical solutions, however, for people who want to play the game. And really, who would be unhappy, except NCsoft? And really really, who cares what NCSoft thinks?
People who are loudly proclaiming to be heroes might want to do the same. -
Quote:Pretty sure it's against the EULA - while I don't have the CoH EULA handy, it's been a standard feature of every game EULA I've seen.Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Reverse engineering is not illegal. However, there's still no guarantee that they'll be able to pull it off. If they're sued, will they have the money (and time) to even fight a legal battle?
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Quote:Which is one reason why I think the whole Titan effort is toxic.Originally Posted by shadow35
"Reverse engineering" = illegal private server, something I seriously doubt would be allowed on Kickstarter for oh, about a zillion different reasons.
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Quote:It's unfortunate you feel that way. I suppose that everyone sees it differently, but I've never lost one of my characters, even those in games like Tabula Rasa. After all, it's my imagination that created these characters, and my imagination that fleshed them out over the limited feedback that a game can give to you. They live in my head, not on any server - so no publisher has the power to take them away from me.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Anyways... After the initial announcement, I kind of considered maybe going to CO or STO as a new place to play. But then I realized, the same thing will probably happen there too. It's an inherent risk in the medium. You make characters, build them up and get attached to them, and then sooner or later they just all go poof, because the publisher has decided to shut the game down.
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Quote:A very unlikely scenario for so many reasons.Originally Posted by shadow35
Yeah, but how many people even KNOW about that petition? Kickstarter gets millions of hits from everywhere; everyone interested in funding indie games all convenes on that one place. Change.org is hardly somewhere that gamers go en masse every day just for the sake of it, lol.
And even if PS did manage to pull in a couple million in Kickstarter funding, the very nature of that funding, *coming completely from their fan base and not pro publishers,* might turn the heads of potential publishers enough for them to want to be involved. After all, Kickstarter really isn't profitable for those donating; they just really believe in the particular "cause" they're giving to enough to want to help it get off the ground. Publishers and private investment firms *would* actually see profit from the player base, once the game is released.
Not least of which is that you can't put together a Kickstarter project under those guidelines. "We need to raise $2 million so hopefully a publisher decides to give us even more money" is not a valid project. -
Quote:It would be better off shut down than without updates.Originally Posted by Starsman
Dont waste your time, they are not actually interested. They never were (NCSoft.)
If they cared, at minimum the servers would had been sustainable without a dev team. I hope no one comes with the "better off shut down than without updates" would have been the biggest b.s. that can be tossed at us right now.
There, you may now go ballistic.
But really, do you know what happens to revenue if there are no updates? Does the phrase "asymptotically approaches zero" mean anything to you? -
Quote:Okay, I get it now. You're a literalist. Since it's impossible to exhaust all avenues, NCSoft is clearly lying.Originally Posted by Minotaur
Did I say he made an offer, he made an enquiry and didn't even get a reply, they never found out whether it was sensible or not. Hence my questioning their claims to have exhausted all avenues.
"Sending an enquiry" is meaningless. I could do that right now. The question is, is it credible? Any query from me would clearly not be. As for Mr. X, who knows? Unless his name was Gabe, it probably wasn't.
And how was said query sent? If it actually was a serious attempt to reach out, it would be very ironic if it got sent to one of the electronic or physical addresses people were busy spamming.
Generally stuff like this happens between people who already know each other on some level. Or an intermediary makes an introduction. -
Quote:Actually, the most negative things being posted are coming from the save COH side...Originally Posted by _eeek_
It's typical PR talk for "shut up" because they don't like the noise.
I say fight. Make MORE noise!
And let me add, if you want to give up, then GO. Stop posting negative stuff, just GO, already! -
Quote:2.2 million is a drop in the bucket. If you're talking about building a new MMO, I think you'd need to be talking about ten times that amount.Originally Posted by shadow35
I'd like to know if the Paragon Studios team is planning on staying together and starting a new MMO project, Kickstarter or otherwise.
Obsidian raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in a matter of hours from Kickstarter, after sharing their plans for another isometric RPG. I think they may have hit a million in a few days but I'd have to doublecheck.
Kickstarter may be a fad, but it's a fad in full swing right now. Let's hope PS can take advantage of it in some way and strike while the iron's hot.
Edit after Googling: Okay, Obsidian + Kickstarter = 2.2 million dollars, bay-bee!
http://thedroidguy.com/2012/10/proje...als-announced/
We can do that.
Also, I doubt that you'd even get 2.2 million. PE has over 50,000 backers. Only 20,000 people even signed the CoH online petition. -
Quote:Yeah, that would be bad. It would almost be like TSW!Originally Posted by TargetOne
BUT, we have to remember that STO was never intended to be a Starfleet simulator. And its players, like those of any MMO, would scream bloody murder if the ability to create ships and/or uniforms that were completely unique was ever taken away. Can you imagine what CoH would have been like if EVERYBODY were required to wear one of a handful of basic Longbow uniforms, without deviation or accessorizing?
Kidding. Sort of. It still boggles my mind that everyone in TSW has the same height and body. And then PvP costumes...
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Quote:Uh, what?Originally Posted by Minotaur
Either they are flat out lying, or the guy that runs a small studio and didn't get a reply to his enquiry is (can't remember which set of boards I saw this on atm, if I find it, will link it).
I guess what you're implying is that some guy made them an offer? Is there any reason to believe said offer was a) serious and b) reasonable? I'm guessing it was neither. -
Quote:He's at least partially right...Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
He's implying that GG is living in a fantasy world where the game is saved.
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Quote:Not aware that any of them sold at a premium.Originally Posted by Starsman
Funny you say that: at lest 3 games in that list have changed ownership. Some of them several times.
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Quote:Yes, and all of those are such hot properties that a day doesn't go by that I don't hear of some company attempting to buy one of them...Originally Posted by Starsman
- EverQuest 2 8 years and running.
- Lineage 2 9 years and running.
- Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted (Formerly Horizons) 9 years and running.
- Final Fantasy XI 9 years and running.
- Planet Side 9 years and running.
- Dark Age of Camelot 10 years and running.
- EverQuest 13 years and running.
- Ultima Online 15 years and running.
- Meridian 59 17 years and running.
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Quote:In his defense though, the only that is more prevalent on the Internet than memes is people being completely and utterly wrong.Originally Posted by Turjan
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Quote:That's actually a quote from a movie.Originally Posted by Scythus
That was the Japanese. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The Germans bombed London.
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Quote:If you're on the internet, you can hear that about every single site's security.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
From what I've heard about Guild Wars 2's account security, a few hundred people probably have that info already anyway.
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Quote:That doesn't destroy your stuff, just give him your login credentials.Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Already uninstalled - sorry.
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Quote:Really? You'd rather be left believing that negotiations were still ongoing?Originally Posted by Venture
What I expected, and frankly they would have been better off saying nothing.
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Quote:Maybe they learned that people were working on an emulator...Originally Posted by BlueBattler
If talks are over, then I'd like to know what caused them to fail ...
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Quote:This is all inference on your part.Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Because there could have been a nice tasty revenue stream - with nothing for them to do but count the money. They could have quite happily licensed the game and left the rest to a new team and taken a revenue stream for sitting on their collective arses!
You don't know how much the revenue stream would be.
You don't know how much the potential write-off that they would lose would be.
You don't know what the value of the IP is.
You don't know what the brand exposure is.
Based on the analysis you've put up so far, it makes complete sense for George Lucas to license a Star Wars game for $2.00. After all, it's free money, isn't it? -
Quote:And you know this is bad for the shareholders.... how?Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
NCSoft have just said to us, and more importantly from a business point of view to their shareholders:
It's not surprising that this community isn't taken seriously by NCSoft when it consistently insists on making sh*t up.