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Spin filtered through two levels of delusion, that's how I like to get my "news."
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Quote:They could have just shut down the beta server immediately.Originally Posted by Xieveral
The salt was bio armor, this is the lemon juice >< -
Quote:They closed it because the secret project (which is something like the third project Paragon had tried developing) didn't look like it would be a success. Which may have been defined as "a success in the Korea/Asia" market.Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
So if Paragon was a tiny part of their business and it mattered virtually nothing to their financials what do you suspect was the reason for closing it?
Closure seemed to imply it was hurting the company somehow and had to go. -
Quote:The potential buyers that have come to light so far are not serious. And Trion was a completely unsubstantiated rumor.Originally Posted by Soundwave_NA
Considering that they seemed to have ignored potential buyers...
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncs...s-says-report/
...and that one of them might have been Trion, I'm really skeptical of anything that comes from Seoul right now. And definitely boycotting NCSoft from here on out. -
Quote:Considering that Cryptic still owns the engine, NCSoft couldn't do this even if they wanted to.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Well, once NCSoft was done with CoH, they could have officially declared the server and client code as "open source" and allowed anyone to play with it or use it however they wanted. I seem to recall that happening in the past, though not with an MMO that I can recall.
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Quote:Still not quite right. "Belief system" still implies faith. Call it a "rationality system" and you'd be a lot closer.Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
I wouldn't call it a religion. A belief system yes.
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Quote:Ah, the "Atheism is just another religion" argument.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
God has very little to do with religion. The possibility that the universe was birthed through sentient means is an idea. Assuming no Earthly religion has all the answers, religion is merely the tool created to take the idea of a god and use it to control the masses.
Just speculating on where atheism is headed based on the scale of atheist zealotry and arrogance in this thread. Mind you it's probably not a reflection on all atheists. But then, no religion ever got judged by its regular followers. Only by its extremists and crusaders. Atheism will be judged by the world no differently. And since both are advocated for by humans, despite Atheism claiming that removing god will somehow bring world peace, I see no reason to think a world of Atheists will be any less bloody. People will kill each other for any reason under the sun.
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Quote:Well, this is actually a perfectly logical situation. At least in a democracy. The theist majority is comfortable because the majority of voters share their beliefs. The atheist minority is uncomfortable because the majority of voters are controlling their future on the basis of children's stories.Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I don't have evidence to weigh in on the existence of god. I am willing to wager that whatever god there is, isn't the one that anyone is selling. On the reverse, Religious people tend to be more comfortable with themselves and their relationship to society than the atheists are.
Of course, that really depends on the majority having the same (or highly similar) belief structures. You get a true plurality of beliefs and you'll see some discomfort. Or was I just imagining an inordinate amount of time being spent on Romney's Mormonism? -
Quote:Hey, he was going to show his true colors eventually. I'm surprised it took this long. The truly funny part is he thinks I'm insecure enough to care if he calls me names. Someone of his alleged experience really ought to know better.Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Just to point out the obvious.
He was attacking your "FACTS", that you brought to the discussion. You are attacking him personally, with completely fabricated material that you have no way of knowing one way or an other.
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Quote:We live in a society where the ideas of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are presented to almost all children.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
That is relative to what was the accepted reality at the time in which deviation of thought occurred. Atheism is currently the deviation, so if anything, disbelief requires more faith. Certainly not as hard as what the pioneers of the movement went through, but it's still an uphill battle.
The only way one could not believe in a god without faith, is if they were somehow able to grow up in a society where the idea of gods was never presented to them. For better or worse, we do not live in such a society.
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Quote:Wrong. If there is no evidence of X or reason to believe that X exists, assuming that X exists requires a great deal more faith than assuming that X does not exist.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Assuming there's no god requires just as much blind faith as assuming there is one.
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Quote:It's amusing that he thinks he can judge other's competence while assuming that we can't judge his.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Hey now, if it's one thing Americans are entitled to, it's criticizing. Qualifications be damned! It's why we fought for our independence, or something.
Support ticket. For a corporate acquisition.
It's the joke that keeps on giving.
FWIW, I've asked a few of the entrepreneurial CEO's I've worked with (who've started and sold companies with a total value in the billions). None of them think the story makes sense. So I don't know who these "one or two" other people are, but if they actually think this is a valid way to proceed, they're clearly incompetent as well. -
Quote:Indeed, you've hit on half the fundamental truth.Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
The simple answer is that you can't because science, as we know it, doesn't know everything.
Science doesn't know everything. Religion makes stuff up.
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Quote:If, as you posit, some god existed outside the normal three dimensional space, exactly what evidence do you have that you know what god it is?Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Different scientific theories suggest that there may be 5, 10, 26, or even more dimensions in the universe... or should it be referred to as a multi-verse? As humans we can perceive only 3 of those dimensions, but it is already a "fact" that there is no god existing in any of them. Amazing, isn't it?
None.
Quite frankly, it's as likely to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster as any other.
(Also, you have a very poor understanding of what those extra dimensions imply. Cosmology should probably be left to professionals.) -
Quote:There's also the other non-credible offer....Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
It does nothing to explain why people are now assuming this one failure to get a response is now being touted as the only reason anyone has been saying that NCsoft has been ignoring offers.
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Quote:If it's still beyond your comprehension, I can't help you.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
That doesn't explain it.
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Quote:Read the thread?Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
I'm curious how everyone arrived at the conclusion that the entire basis for the idea that NCsoft is ignoring all offers and inquiries regarding the sale of CoH, all came from one ignored helpdesk ticket. That's just as ridiculous as the 80 mil rumor if it's origins are indeed what has been said about it here.
It's quite clear that he filed a ticket, got a boiler-plate response and concluded thatQuote:Originally Posted by AvelWorldCreator
With permission I tried to establish channels of negotiation with NCSoft. Their representative refused to talk. I have the correspondence. I used the odd channel of an in-game ticket to do it. A bit unorthodox, but still legitimate. I could have tried other channels, but the response was quite unusual and I read the situation as unfriendly to further contact. The summary of my inquiry was to ask for a more proper channel and what the communication was about. If there was a path for further negotiation available then the response would have been to direct me to the correct, specific contact. They could not even do that. NC Soft had placed a wall against any communication about the game, it's closing, or any future purchase options.
I never said this was the basis of the whole idea that communication was closed off, merely that someone reached that conclusion.Quote:Originally Posted by AvelWorldCreator
NC Soft had placed a wall against any communication about the game, it's closing, or any future purchase options.
There's ridiculousness here, but it's someone else's to own. -
Quote:He's right about the most important point, though, which is at the time of the forced transfers, they reversed field and rather than letting original players keep names (which was policy during the voluntary mergers), they applied a mysterious algorithm to determine who had to rename.Originally Posted by Sugar_Rush
Actually, you're wrong.
The destination servers (of which my server was one) were upgraded and all the others were merged into them.
source
Thus achieving the rare feat of ticking off absolutely everyone. -
Quote:Observation bias.Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Maybe it's where I've lived and who I've known - but I've known Christians and I've known Athiests, and I've seen far more prosthelytizing on behalf of the Athiests.
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Quote:Interesting isn't the word for it. Especially when you consider that after one ticket receiving a boiler-plate reply, that apparently proved that NCSoft was closed to all communication.Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
Which is why I find this whole scheme of using the help desk as a gateway for M&A inquiry's.....interesting.
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CoH was pulling in about ~$10M in sales per year. (Slowly declining). That's an easily verifiable fact from their quarterly filings.
Paragon Studios employed roughly 80 people.
Then consider expense for servers, bandwidth and support, which were all provided outside Paragon Studios.
At this point, you can either do the math to figure out what a reasonable estimate for the profitability of Paragon is, or you can't. You can choose to look at CoH in isolation, or look at Paragon as a whole, but the net is far under what a lot of people are positing. -
Quote:This wasn't the manager. This was the guy taking orders at the drive-through.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Now I'm wondering how long it would take to reach James A. Skinner, vice chairman and CEO of McDonald's, by way of the manager of the most local restaurant.
In addition to which, he combined the inquiry with an actual issue. So he asked about buying the company along with ordering a Happy Meal.
It's amazing that people are still acting like he's serious. But it explains a lot about the total myopia of the saveCoH faction. So far the two "serious attempts" to buy out the franchise that I know about have boiled down to one company with no track record that incorporated a week after the closure announcement, and someone who filed a support ticket and gave up.
I think everyone just lost their right to complain about NCSoft's "we've exhausted all options" communication. We've seen what constitutes an "attempt" to buy from the other side - and it's just sad. -
Quote:Money makes money.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
I wouldn't necessarily use these sorts of things to judge someone's business capacity. I know of at least one super-rich businessman, who was given a bid to run a whole nation. That guy didn't understand why airplane windows don't open. Another one recently, who is even richer, in a 1-minute span, whined that the U.S. is no longer a democracy, and suggested that America attack Washington to force a reversal of a decision which was determined by the process that was created by a democracy.
Both are infinitely stupid things to say. But it doesn't seem to be hindering their ability to fill their wallets with a steam shovel.
We live in a very specialized age. People tend to know a LOT about a few things, and very little about everything else.
Also airplane windows do open. (For certain types of airplanes.)
Anyway, he was making very specific claims about his business knowledge, which simply aren't credible. Anyone who had actually negotiated these sorts of deals would realize that a low level support channel to a subsidiary organization is not the proper channel.
Presumably, he'll now deluge us with the list of his successful accomplishments. -
Quote:I don't need to make a supporting argument. The evidence is right in front of you - you used an inappropriate channel for the communication. You then conclude that NCSoft had no intention of communicating with sellers. You keep padding your resume in the hopes that this will make this totally absurd assertion credible.Originally Posted by AvelWorldCreator
That is simply accusatory. The burden remains on your to support that claim. That is the second time you have made it without supporting argument. I'm COO of a one company, a professional consultant at $300.00 USD/hr, and owner of my own small business (been so for over 7 years). I have positive national ratings (U.S.) in communications and sales. I've been third ranked in an international organization with regards to legal compliance issue. I've had formal experience and training in business management organization going back decades. The evidence isn't consistent with your assertion.
You doth protest too much.
Surely someone as successful as you has better things to do than pretend to be important on an Internet forum for a closing game. -
Quote:No, your actions are the proof of incompetence, and all the unsubstantiated "proof" of how business savvy you are doesn't obviate the fact that you made an absurd attempt at communication.Originally Posted by AvelWorldCreator
Actually those tickets are official channels of communication with the organization. They are also logged with copies sent to all parties. The kind of thing needed in court.
Given that I've successfully filed lawsuits in U.S. Federal court, and that I'm the writer of the Plan z license agreement (notice that one of the persons to use it is a practicing attorney) I might know a thing or two about this kind of stuff. Matter of fact I've been a consultant to attorneys and have a small business of my own with a senior municipal judge as a client. As a professional consultant my going rate is $300.00 USD/hr.
Legally it is proof that they refused to communicate about the issue of sale. I do this for a living. How about you?
Ad hominems aren't proof of incompetence.
And I feel sorry for the people paying $300/hr for your consultancy.
Then again, most of us know exactly what the majority of consultants are worth.