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Originally Posted by Quinz

Not at all. In the example of enhancements for Magic, as described, an Amulet is a Dual Origin enhancement that is used to hasten recharge time. It could easily be dropped by someone using it. (See: Magic origin Enemy Groups.) As for the Grey thing, Grey, Hermes and Joule are spirits that are attuned to Magic in the game. These are seen as either rituals (That eventually wear off, hence the decay of enhancements) or just a blessing of said spirit during the time required. As said before the blessing could be passed off to another or could be accepted, same as information for the ritual. So it's not really 'fanwank that loses the meaning of enhancements as present in game', but rather how they ARE presented in game. Read the descriptions of some of the enhancements if you have doubt.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

only if you hate money.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

You know what makes me laugh? A lvl 50 Recharge red recipe....sells for over four times the price of a Hecatomb recipe at an NPC vendor. I just stared at it for a while.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Techbot says it well. You CAN sell Inventions-related paraphernalia to the vendors, but you get dick for it in return. Common recipes CAN be pretty expensive, but they don't become expensive until the late 30s to early 40s. Before that, they aren't worth much. All salvage is dirt cheap to the vendors, and Set recipes are even CHEAPER than they should be. And you know why? As a direct incentive to sell them on the Market. On the one hand, that's good, because it ensures supply. On the other hand, that's bad, because you depend on demand.

Easy example: A piece of rare salvage sold to the vendors brings me 5000 inf. A piece of rare salvage sold to the Market will almost always bring me 70 000 - 150 000 basically at any point after level 15 or so. A couple of days ago, I got a drop from just running missions, which I listed for 5000 and sold for 20 million. I don't know what recipe it was, but it was not unique or purple. Just a regular set drop that didn't look at all remarkable. That would have sold for MAYBE 50 000 at the vendor.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

So, essentially:



Is that what you're referring to? So, does that ever state WHICH era, version or style of comic books, or hell... Does it even state AMERICAN comic books? Because I searched, and I couldn't find it. In fact, I couldn't find any mention of "super hero" at all. There's "hero" and there's "comic book" but that's about it.

First of all, even if we assume this is a super hero comic book of silver to pre-modern age American comic books of a very specific style, I cannot agree that that should mean other styles should be consistently given minor importance. Whatever the game's genre may be called, the fact of the matter is that people play this game for themes from practically all across the board. Science fiction, film noir, slasher flicks, anime, action flicks, fantasy, paranormal, conspiracy theory, cloak-n-dagger, spy thriller... One of THE greatest strengths of this game is its ability to absorb absolutely any concept and make it work within its world, so if you're trying to weigh your personal preference more than those of other people just because the game happens to have "comic book" in its description, then I simply cannot agree with you.

Furthermore, you yourself admit you're sticking to a particular subset of American super hero comic book, and you're trying to judge based on that preference. However, the availability of themes even just in comic books is a lot broader than this. ANYTHING you can come up with as an example of things not in comic books, I can bet money someone will come out and quote out of a comic book. And then there are non-American comic books, like manga, which people keep unfairly excluding. You know what? Foreshadow - the man who butted the Statesman out of centre stage for City of Hero and who was billed as one of the most powerful heroes in the city, could as well have been right out of a manga. And that's without even thinking about it too hard.

You're completely justified in preferring what you prefer and asking that it be prioritised. But please don't try to use empty justifications to give it undue weight. It just ends up annoying people who don't share your view of what the game "should be about."

Originally Posted by Hazygreys

I used to think straight port, like brutes to scrappers, dom to controllers, ect. but it was brought up that with the amount of time they've had on this, they will probably make new patron power pools for hero AT and new epics for villain ATs

Originally Posted by Santorican

This is the DP/MM build I've been working on now for a while. I don't have it live yet as this will probably be the character I make for GR.

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

City of Villains uses the same character creator as City of Heroes, and any option added to one would be added to the other. Should I post the list of fat villains, which is far more lengthy and serious?

Kingpin, Penguin, the Blob, Egghead, Doctor Octopus - that's just a small sample of fat or overweight villains in "serious" comic series. Excluding the option because "heroes aren't fat" also deprives us of fat villains.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Well, obviously that's what they'll say, and it IS what they said. Do you honestly see them coming out and saying "Well, now that we have this Market thing, we feel you no longer need the income because you'll obviously be using the Market from now on." That'd have caused a shitstorm big enough to turn a small moon into a swirling toilet.

The fact of the matter is that the Market was intended to replace the lost revenue to the removed enhancements (and it did), that instantly shot the idea that you'd be able to make money WITHOUT the Market in the foot. You're not gonna', and I think that thread is pretty good evidence for it.

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

You're wrong. Many super-powered individuals are fat. Some are just overweight. Here's a list of ten (some silly, yes) that I found with a cursory search.

Super power does not discriminate based on body weight.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Because THE WHOLE GAME already deviates from whatever narrow definition the term "super hero" may once have had. The very fact that you see a lot of people do non-classic super heroes should be proof enough that that is what the players want to make. And I seriously doubt it ruins the immersion for "a lot of people," since outside of the exceedingly rare complain, I simply don't see this. Not in-game, not on the forums.

Furthermore, it's actually pretty insulting to suggest what you suggest. Say I keep making non-traditional heroes because that's I like. Heroes who fit into the setting mind you. Are you seriously going to try and suggest I'm doing it wrong and the game shouldn't be about my concepts? That what I want more of should be added last because it's not what YOU want?

City of Heroes is not and has never been a comic book simulator. It's a game inspired by comic books, but it is not a game that IS a comic book. It is not a game that is dictated to by what you see in a comic book. It is a game with its own fiction, its own story and its own thematics. If you want a game that's desperately trying to be an interactive comic book, that's what Champions Online is practically in its entirety. Since I'm posting on this forum and not that one, I obviously prefer this game.

And, again, we're running up against an extremely narrow view of what comic books represent. If you want to stick to just silver age or golden age spandex costumes and campy heroes, then go right ahead, but comic books are much more wide and varied than just that. I can almost guarantee you that there is not a single (serious) character that you can take out of this game and NOT find similarity with in at least some comic book somewhere.

In short, stop trying to impose your vision of thematics onto other people's game. The chief selling point of City of Heroes is freedom in customization.

Originally Posted by Dark_Respite

S'okay, apology accepted. I'm just stuck in the nadir of depression and despair these last few weeks.

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven

This is a horrible reason to restict player creativity. There are people who do disturbing things in this game already (like a certain Creepy Grandma, and a pair of characters that were provocatively named and resembled a priest and a 12 yo). Report the offenders, and let the rest of us have our options.

/signed to this idea.

Originally Posted by Wird_

my $.02.

Ran (being me/ie. myself, leader) KTF a couple weeks ago.

Kin/Rad. Solo build. NO SB/ID, but the rest of all the goodies. Also have Leader defense/attack (names escape me atm). No one complained AND we rocked the TF fast! Why you ask?? Because I know how to use my defender even without the SB and ID. Did I heal? Yes when needed. Did I attack? HELL YES!!! My Radiation attacks are slotted for damage, plus the Fulcrum and Aim add to damage.

I even told team that I didn't have SB and no crying ensued. Now, did I have a Team Build also? Yes, but they were very ok with my build because we took down monsters with it very fast.

Star does not = Tyrant. It's for leader to pick missions to suit team. Not dictate who's build sucks and to kick according to sucky builds and what not. Yes, kick for being a jerk. But for builds?? Pshhhh!!!

Please!

Even my Emp/Defender has a very full attack chain + all of the goodies. If anybody cries that I'm not "playing" like you want me to? Buh-bye!!!

Originally Posted by Xanatos

Enhancements make perfect sense as I've outlined in my prior posts. Many of the natural ones have training style names. Many of the mutant ones have mutation style names. Many of the scientific ones have chemist style names. Many of the magical ones are trinkets/spells/blessings that would fit a magical character. Enhancements are the things we don't see in comics - the things that happen off screen. Basic maintenance of a superheroes powers.



It's not possible. Similar to how it's not possible to have a concept that makes you as tall as a building, walk through walls, or duplicate yourself. The game is limited by the system, as are the concepts we can create.

It is the fault of the author for creating concepts that do not fit the powersets. It is not the fault of the system. It is one thing to claim that recoloured dark blasts are actually water blasts, that's fine and dandy, but it is something else to claim that in-game enhancements DON'T EXIST. That is godmodding of the highest caliber. You are actively telling me that my characters are not able to do something that is supported both by the game system and the game's lore.

If you are intent on "changing the rules", then don't expect people to agree with you. That said, Don't take my criticism too seriously. I know a lot of RPers like to circumvent the enhancement system, text fight in Pocket D, play "peacebringers than aren't peacebringers", and do all manner of different things not supported by the game's system/lore. There's nothing wrong with it. It's only a game after all and "OMG SUPER STRICT RP RULEZ YOU HAF 2 FOLLOW" would be a retarded idea.

I just personally find it more interesting to play with what we have, rather than try and make up something we don't.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Fair enough, but you have to accept the same.

Someone else doesn't find being an SB buffbot as a fun thing to do. Who are you to dictate what powers he or she should have? The player can still contribute to the team effort with the other powers they have chosen to have fun with.

Originally Posted by Xanatos

Hey I didn't make the rules! I just play by them!

1. Yes
2. Yes (Emote fighting is lame. If you want to fight my character be prepared to actually do so.)
3. There are never any lore reasons for new powersets. It is merely coincidence that 800 archers randomly show up in Paragon City.
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. None of this happens in game. Look at the enhancement names. The store owners "train" your hero - consider the stores full of instruction manuals rather than physical objects.
7. Yes.

I don't RP enhancements as tangible things either. They can be sometimes, but the majority of the time they are other things - blessings from gods, mutations, spells, combat training, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by Stone Daemon

Now who is the one making 'erroneous assertions', hmm? Wading through all that sarcasm is a chore, especially to see all the words you're putting in my mouth. I'm not gonna repeat myself, just going to add that I don't believe in having to request buffs--if Scrappers and Blasters don't need to be asked to shoot stuff, why should defenders be asked to do their job? That said, I'm not going to kick somebody for failing to do their job, unless they just plain aren't trying to contribute at all.

Originally Posted by Xanatos

Wrong.

Wolverine is a Claws/Regen scrapper. Adamantium is definitely an enhancement to his claws powerset.

Wolverine is also resistant to psychic attacks due to high level psionic shields put in place by Professor X. (This is similar in function to IO sets such as "Ghost Widow's Embrace" or "Numina's Convalescence" - being granted enhancements by other more powerful heroes.)

His skillsets; such as being a ninja, knowing various martial arts, knowing pressure points, are all enhancements to his natural powersets. (Similar to SO's such as "Back Alley Strike" and a whole bunch of natural-themed SOs.)

Even if all of this is incorrect, even if Wolverine in fact doesn't have enhancements; it's not really relevant to the matter at hand. Enhancements & IOs exist in the game lore. If you ignore them, then you are ignoring part of the game's story.

Originally Posted by Dark_Respite

The RMTers and their users were rather miffed at me - within 24 hours of that video going live, I got something like 168 absolutely SCATHING YT comments, in-game tells, and the like of "u ***** suk", etc etc etc. The REAL players, however, loved it. (Side note - I showed this video at my HeroCon 2008 panel on making vids, and the entire room just cracked up laughing when they saw it.)





I should call you guys the Samuraiko Syndicate - I'll make t-shirts and stuff. (I already designed some for my fanfic THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE - I just need to get them up on CafePress.)



Thanks! I had hoped to hit 1000+ YouTube subscriptions before the game's anniversary for when I post my tribute video, but I'm still short of the mark by rather a lot. Oh, well, hopefully the new one will draw in more folks.

And one of these days, I need to get the resources to make the four live-action COH commercials I want to do.

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

To be honest, that's kind of his point, and in this I agree with him completely - THAT is annoying busywork that even I'm not going to bother with. Flipping Inventions, grinding tickets, playing the Market, all of that might seem easy to you, but to me it's doing the dishes - it's a chore I don't want to have to do.

But at the same time, you DON'T have to do that. Just selling your own drops at the Market is more than sufficient. Even as the Goat suggested, just selling everything for, like 100, is going to earn you a serious amount of cash. The point is to make money off the Market the same way you make it off the vendors - show up, sell things, leave. THAT is not a lot of work, nor does it really need any specific knowledge. Just sell whatever sells and vendor everything else.