BViking78

As long as I think that nothing is gonna save CoH, I have to admit that I shed a tear when I saw all those heroes packed there! ^_^

I'm downloading the trial is it good?

Except community and other feats, this bought me.
No matter how fast the spawn rate is but you almost always have to wait and feel like stealing someone's else kill on that (when not actually doing to move over in your quest).

Even if I'd do I dunno.

I mean.
Firstly you can notice that 99% of the people that say yes on this thread was on CoX before Freedom and secondly Freedom itself is the result of not enough subscribers.
Sure now more people had the chance to try the game and all but I don't think it would work out anyway.

At the end I agree with Golden Girl, it seems to me that money isn't the only and main reason, dunno

Nice thx!

Yeah I was referring at the description, didn't check the actual effects honestly, it was just an idea that passed on my mind and I was thinking it would actually work hehe!

Oh cool thank you. Mids' still says that!

Ok thx, we'll see!

Damn I knew it!

Well for first if CoH was giving us the entire game this thread would have never existed, since we're talking about locked stuff.
Second single player games have an end, giving the entire game for free, once again, would be like CoH giving all for free and that's not what I'm asking.
Once more all I'm asking for is to try stuff not the get it for free.

Oh I agree with you, but go telling that stuff to Aggelakis, I was just pointing out that saying "no business" is stupid since some do it and yet they're successful anyway.
But I don't think that a movie, where you have trailers, or a ride is really similar to this. With the ride you already had all the fun on here the fun, if you like a poweset, is to take it to the max not only try it.
I agree with you on that, but I think I'm anyway entitled to question why they don't.

Oh I love when people disagree with me, but "intelligent" people would give better reasons than "it's not possible" or "it's not gonna happen" and so far Roderick and Aggelakis has been the only that really tried to answer me mate. By the way this is your second post and still you haven't told me why YOU disagree with me!
We already know that, so far at least, they don't wanna do it if not they would already have done it hehe, the whole discussion is why? Seems like money is the only reason at the end.

Sorry but I couldn't disagree more.
Car dealers are business, yet you have test drives.
Music shops are business, yet you can try instruments before buying them.
Software houses (just to stay on the same field) are business, yet you have demos.
And the list could go on.
So, don't take it personal, but saying that no business is likely to allow customers to test their products it's a huge bunch of crap.

I agree tho that it's risky, but no more and no less than releasing a demo of your video game, sure it can change minds but in both way.
I've tried a lot of demos of games I wouldn't have spent a dime on them and I ended up buying them instead, and obviously viceversa.
At the end I honestly don't think that it would really get that bad, some people would not buy something while others would buy something they didn't plan to.

How things work now instead, since my bad luck, or choice your pick, with Dual Pistols I'll think about buying a new powerset more than just once or twice and most likely, if I'm not sure 100% about it, I'm gonna end up not buying it (i.e. staff fighting).
And before someone repeats that you could just team with people with that power, or look for videos of it, I think that it wouldn't work.
We all have our own limits, let's call them this way, and I've seen people playing god with powersets I simply suck so badly with them LOL, so unfortunately some things have to be tried on your own to get the real idea about them.

I'll check it. By the way mate I'm the one that, not so long ago, spammed you with mails about defense softcap for his super reflexes/dark melee tank! I hope you'll be glad to know that I took her to 50 and I love her! ^_^

To get things straight I've already two mms. The higher is a beasts/dark at level 33, the other is a tryout of a bots/ff, since I always heard about that combination, only at level 9.
Fact is that so far I feel better tanking with the beast/dark, 'cause with shadow fall + darkest night and the ability to heal with twilight grasp is a big deal.
Tho I agree on the mez part, it's the real deal I'm facing now since at high level almost all mobs have one way or another to mez you.

I understand that the bot is still very low to make the difference, but so far without the second bot to use the shield on me, almost everything mobs shoot at me it's a hit and without any healing power it's a problem. With him for now I feel safer to send them on aggressive, since I already have two shields to use on them, and keep lius at bay knocking them down with force bolt.
Personal force field would make the difference since it's almost impenetrable but I dunno how I could keep the aggro on me then, since you can only use powers that affect yourself.

I'll check your links and also mess around with Mid's a little, to see what traps and time have to offer!
Thanks for your answers!

Yup that's what I've already done once or twice. But honestly I don't think it's really fair to ask to pay to try something, that's the whole point of the discussion.

Well that has always been the end point obviously. It's their game and they do what they want. I was just saying that it would be nice to have the chance to try it before buying it.
Your idea of the three powers isn't that bad either!

I never said devs, I said talking.
But I'm glad that you agree with me on the fact that nothing is impossible if they want to do it!

Oh that's a good answer finally.
I didn't know that, I thought that everything was made by the devs themselves (Matt and such).
Tho I'm pretty sure that ways to let people try stuff would still be possible if they wanted it.
I still remember when this kind of talking was about power customization.
It went from "impossible", to "it can be done but it's the core of the game so a lot of work" to "here come power customization yay"!
Nothing is impossible if they wanna do it! ^_^

LOL I dunno why I should make an example with things you can try before paying for them and things that are already unlocked and free but whatever.

I agree that I get more than when I was a subscriber, I'm not complaining about that but it seems that you guys are just focusing on this lol, what I'm merely asking is the ability to try something before buying it.
I already made a "mistake" with Dual Pistols, while it was cool with Street Justice, I honestly hate them (personal tastes so nothing to talk about).
If I had the chance to test them before buying maybe I could have bought something else.
I agree that you cannot really judge a powerset till the end, but I'm also pretty sure that you didn't need to take every single powerset to 50 before liking it or not no?
Reaching 10 wouldn't be that bad, since also as a high level toon the first three attacks chain is those you're gonna use more (scrapper wise especially).
From the bottom of my heart guys if you wanna eat all the ***** that they throw at your and call it lobsters be my guests, but I'm honest enough to notice that while they're doing some things good they're doing others in pretty lame way.

I'm pretty sure that if they want to do something they can do it and your idea about unlocking wouldn't be that bad. You don't wanna flood the Test and Beta? Ok keep it a VIP thing but I would't spit on unlocking something for 24h to try it or something like that.

"Things costs money." I agree 100% on this, that's why I dunno why I should buy "a pig in a poke"!

Well they're more than what I remember and you know why? 'Cause I didn't care for them lol.
Except the teaming part, which I think you're wrong since I tried it with a mate and we teamed with no problems (oh and we were both using trials! I'm clarifying since some people don't get things so easily) you just have to try the damn thing, not take a toon to level fifty.

And why should you have access to the test since you were already testing things out? No offense but I think that too much CoH is damaging your brains guys lol.

I know it very well. I think that most of you guys think that I just joined yesterday and came here to ask for the whole world lol.
And yet you don't think it was very lame? As far as I know email support was also only reserved to VIP players, I dunno if it's still like that tho, since DarkGob included it in that long list.

As I said before you can solve the problem wiping the test/beta server. Its purpose it to test stuff so no one should complain about them wiping stuff, like it happens on every damn test server.
And I agree 50% 'cause you know better than me that also back then most of the people used them to try new things before they went live, not to talk about all the bugs reported by the "helpful betatesters" that just went ignored and such, but I'm sure you know about them. And more important VIP status doesn't make you experienced about CoH at all, if you really think that they're getting more help now from people that maybe just joined the game well...

Once and for all, I'm not here to steal things or to think that the devs should give everything away for free, seems like I came here asking to open the VIP server (freedom or how the hell it's called) to everyone lol.
As I wrote in one of my previous post when I got back on here when Freedom launched all my IOs were locked down. While it pissed me off and I would have worked the whole thing in a different way, I didn't complain but I accepted it and I bought points and such until I have it unlocked for free now with the paragon rewards. But I knew how cool the numina's and such were for my empath/healer.
But I don't think that getting to try something before spending my money on it is such a ******* ABSURD idea.
I honestly don't know why it's so hard to understand for you guys really.

LOL. I was obviously referring to things that are locked, I'm pretty sure that most of the people got that!

True that, but that's because it was a monthly sub to access the whole environment.
I think you're just looking at the matter from a wrong point of view.

If you were interested about CoH, you had fourteen days of free trial (the longest trial of any MMORPGs at that time) before deciding to pay for it or not. And as far as I remember very few things were locked down for obvious reasons, like tells to avoid spam and epic ats since they were a reward for reaching level fifty, etc.

Now instead you cannot try anything without paying for it before hand, make it paying a month to try out everything or buying the single thing you want.
So I'm sorry but I'll stick to my "greed" point of view and honestly to me it's very stupid too.
Or do you buy every single game out there only 'cause the devs tell you that it's the best game ever without even trying it? :P

P.s.
By the way even being subscribed to this thread I don't get any mail when someone posts anything, but hey I'm not a VIP I don't deserve even that! LOL

The second reason sounds a little weak, at least personally I always took for granted that, being a test server, things could be wiped anytime.
I never understood that even way back when CoX wasn't Freedom, but I suppose that since you had to pay to play they didn't care where you played it lol.

I think they should simply wipe Test and Beta every week/month, that and adding an easy way to mess around with your toon (changing level, etc.) would be the real purpose of a test server not making your home, if you're dumb to do that well it's your fault no?

Whining anyway won't do any good obviously, tho I find this greed pretty pathetic.
Since when I got back I've spent money on CoX, at least to unlock the invention system (wasn't really nice already to get back and find my empath/healer with all the IOs and sets locked, since it was stuff I obtained while paying but whatever), until I reached enough PR to have it unlocked forever and such, but how they expect someone to spend money on an unknown powerset without giving it a try is kinda mysterious!

The only thing I don't really get now is why having two separate servers with all the "new stuff first ends up on the Beta, then Test, then live" if both Beta and Test are for VIPs anyway.