Auroxis

The formula for calculating DPS using Rikti pylons is as follows:


( 38343.75 / time ) + 127.8125 = DPS


Time equals seconds, so if you took 5 minutes to kill the pylon, time would be 5*60=300

No problems, just let us know what difference putting SR after AS makes. I'm personally hoping for 6 DPS as it's what I predicted in the first place(+30DPS over the SS chain).

Yes, since you want your highest damaging attack to utilize the extra crit from AS. And the second highest damaging afterwards just in case you miss.



I just ran the numbers and results say that it's about the same DPS as AS-SR-PS-MB before reactive. So yeah, best to ditch SS for attack chains and leave it as a burst/mitigation tool or simply not take it.

Nice build BTW.

Could you please try this one now? I don't wanna go through another math frenzy and it could be quite solid.

AS-SS-SR-PS-AS-SR-PS-MB

If SS stops critting, an adjustment has to be made similarly to the StJ chain.

And why did you use PS after AS instead of SR?

I'm worried this will penalize a lot of builds with regular procs in fast recharging attacks. Please consider setting the current proc chances as minimum.


While I don't agree they need a nerf, this way of going about it makes sense.

You're basically penalizing all high-end builds, builds which are made by the same people who actually care about proc performance.

I'm definitely against 3+4, 1 needs a closer look and 2 is fine.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there will be refunds for these right?

I thought you wanted as many PPM procs in SS as possible? You can get ED capped recharge and all your other needs filled with 4 slots, you just need enhancement boosters to get there.

Let's see... assuming no misses:

AS = 307
SR(with Guile) = (110+200)/2 = 155
SR(without Guile) = 110
PS = 80.8
MB = 51.4
SS(with Guile) = (168.8+307)/2 + 30.7 = 268.6

Total Damage

AS-SR-PS-PS = 307+155+80.8+51.4 = 594.2
AS-SS-SR-PS = 307+268.6+110+80.8 = 766.4

Total Animation time

AS-SR-PS-MB = 1.188+1.98+1.32+1.188= 5.68 seconds
AS-SS-SR-PS = 1.188+3.036+1.98+1.32= 7.54 seconds

Total Attack DPS

AS-SR-PS-MB = 594.2/5.68 = 104.6
AS-SS-SR-PS = 766.4/7.54 = 101.6

Apply a ~6.5% -res to the MB chain, and you get 111.4 DPS, which is approximately 10 more DPS at base. Multiply that by about 2.5 from enhancements and build-up, and that's 25 more DPS.

You clearly saw it doesn't proc better. I'd hardly qualify 0.9 DPS from procs as better, and we didn't even take reactive into account.

But let's take it into account:

Total Animation time

AS-SR-PS-MB = 1.188+1.98+1.32+1.188= 5.68 seconds
AS-SS-SR-PS = 1.188+3.036+1.98+1.32= 7.54 seconds

Total damage from reactive

AS-SR-PS-MB = 200/5.68 = 35.2
AS-SS-SR-PS = 200/7.54 = 26.5

Apply ~6.5% -res onto the MB chain, and you get 37.5 , which is 11 more DPS. And I didn't take Reactives -res into account either.

Far superior burst damage? Try slightly better, seeing as you can pop off two attacks by the time SS's animation completes. And you can keep SS, just use it for when you need resistance, a bit extra burst, and the need to look cool. Just because you took it doesn't mean you have to use it all the time.

Correction: Do you want ~30 more DPS? Take MB and slot it.

Ah yes, my bad. I had to look the power names up and I confused IS with SR



Let's see here... with the current PPM procs available:

MB = 3+1 = 4 = no benefit from PPM=Mako's*20% + Lady*20% + Achilles' =14.35+14.35= 28.7 + Achilles'

PS = 6+1.13= 7.13 = Mako's*37% + Hecatomb*33% = 26.55+35.34= 61.9

AS = 15+1 = 16 = Mako's*80% + SGuile = 57.4 + SGuile

SR = no ranged/KB PPM available for now = Apocalypse*33% + Glad*20% = 35.34+14.35 = 49.7

SS = 15+2.83 = 17.83 = Mako's*89%+ToD*74%=63.86+53.1= 117

Total proc damage

AS-SR-PS-MB = 57.4+61.9+49.7+28.7=197.7 damage
AS-SS-SR-PS = 57.4+117+61.9+49.7= 286 damage

Total animation time

AS-SR-PS-MB = 1.188+1.98+1.32+1.188= 5.68 seconds
AS-SS-SR-PS = 1.188+3.036+1.98+1.32= 7.54 seconds

Total proc DPS

AS-SR-PS-MB = 197.7/5.68= 34.8
AS-SS-SR-PS = 286/7.54 = 37.9

Apply the ~6.5% average -res onto the MB chain, and you get 37 DPS, that's 0.9 DPS less with procs alone. So yeah, PPM procs apparently don't make much of a difference between those chains. Either that or I really suck at math.

No, a unique proc is one that cannot be slotted more than once, namely purple procs.

Does not stack with itself is different(it doesn't make it as useless as you think), and the benefit of having it up more often is big.

Also, I'm not convinced PPM's grant the SS chain such a big advantage. Sure you'll be using SS very often, but you'll also be using AS and IS(which happen to pack a PPM punch as well) less often.

How does it make MB redundant? Achilles' Heel proc isn't unique, and unless you have it in almost every attack it doesn't lose a lot of its effectiveness.

That's a matter of opinion, seeing as Water Spout is ST focused while Fireball is AoE focused.

Also, keep in mind getting Fireball also gives you Melt Armor. While it doesn't come close to contributing as much ST DPS as Water Spout(maybe with teams/leagues lacking -res), it still helps out more than other ancillaries for DPS.

Actually, to get a truly perma Drain Psyche you'd need +318% recharge. Don't forget the activation time.

That's the thing, packs do not offer a decent value. You are extremely limited in what your monthly points can be used on, and I highly disagree with spending it on something you can obtain in-game, while you can use it on market-exclusive features.

So much in fact, that recommending super packs equates to recommending buying paragon points in my eyes.

"You don't have to spend influence, you can use reward merits" is an argument I see more often than I'd like, seeing as reward merits(or astral merits) are the primary source of influence in the game.

But then you're missing out on enhancement boosters, SBE procs, new powersets, new costumes, etc.

Offering super packs as a primary solution to lack of influence is a silly idea, as not everyone can/wants to throw extra money on the game. My advice would be to save your points for market exclusive items like enhancement boosters, SBE procs, and powersets. Just buy the ATO's with influence, which can be gotten through many different ways in-game.

Which is why it's the first thing I took into calculations. It's the primary reason for why the DPS for that chain isn't that much higher.

Seems like a toss-up. EA will be more reliable(except against psi) while Elec will have better peak performance.

Staff does seem to have better synergy with Elec though.

All I'm saying is that you need Cardiac or Ageless to be somewhat end sustainable. Seeing as you have Cardiac, you're set.

The common complaint was that if they made it perma, it would turn all characters in the game into pet users like MM's and controllers/doms.

I like how Lore pets are at the moment. Very powerful but very situational to balance it, and they don't force themselves on your character.

Procs bought from the paragon store (Store Bought Enhancements), have a higher chance to proc in long-recharging powers, as they use the same PPM(procs per minute) mechanic as the ATO(Archetype Origin) procs.