Another_Fan

That is why the idea of seeing how the bulk of the population was doing with the AT and then trying to bang it with a hammer to make it work better was a bad idea.

For all we know the old blaster drop off might be due to the fact people didn't like the learning curve associated with the AT. There are real problems with the AT, but there isn't a universal screw control that can be set to awesome and will magically fix the AT.

I don't make the claim of knowing where it is I am just pointing out that if your statement is taken as true there are some pretty big logical inconsistencies that pop up. You would expect to see more effects from the people burning inf, a much larger deflationary effect from superpacks, hero merits converter purchases etc.

I did notice while scanning for bids the market was a little inconsistent about presenting all of a category.

I seriously doubt that number because if it were correct it would mean I am personally holding about 5% of all the games liquid inf and that doesn't seem likely.

I read that and somehow it translated to



Shouting "MINE MINE MINE MY PRECIOUS"

I am sure you can't grasp that some people don't feel belittled by others having nice things and are actually happy for them.

Just to illustrate how petty your post seems



Yep If paragon wants to go ahead and sell these things for a dollar its fine by me.

I did ? You must be psychic

I could have sworn I was trying to illustrate the problems weapon sets incur from redraw after aim and build up. Something that gets even worse when you have to use secondaries in your chain. In either case for archery or beam rifle the bulk of single target performance comes from the tier 3. Mostly because the high DPA tier 3s do a much larger proportion of the damage.

I am still wondering how you managed to go from a paragraph talking about the multiplicative effects of aim and buildup and the problems of redraw to what you were talking about.

I have no idea why you consider that a relevant interjection into what was a follow up reply to

But if you are going to start making comparisons you should at least report that as blazing is 4th out of 10 not 12 seeing as AR and Elec don't have Tier 3 single target attacks

And the actual top 3 tier attacks are all considerably superior to lancer shot with disintegration and blazing arrow

Blaze 159 dps
Bitter Ice blast 108
TK blast 103

Blazing arrow 81
Lancer Shot 75

So we are talking about 2 very comparable attacks from sets that suffer from similar problems with redraw.

Bids on items that can actually be filled are generally lowball bids. The real inf storage occurs with things that can be bid for but don't exist in the game

Celestial was free because it was given as a bonus for doing other things. Its like the prize in a box of cereal. You pay for it as part of the cereal purchase but there is no evidence that your cereal would be cheaper without it. It is just part of the marketing expense, for the product.

It has been over a year but I recall distinctly the implication that these would be on a rotation, going into and out of the vault in some fashion.

Right now I have 5 or 6 tokens sitting around because there isn't anything in the repeatables worth buying. Boosters would be desirable if the enhancements didn't lose their boost when stored or traded. As it stands these things are a logistical nightmare waiting to happen for anyone not willing to erase the boosts. Unslotters ? Are of very limited utility, I think I have used one possibly 2. XP boosters ? By the time you are tier 9 your characters are drowning in the things. Signature Summons ? No thank you.

Really paragon would do itself a world of good by enhancing the value of these "Incentives" to the players instead of trying to pre nerf them. The convoluted mechanics of dealing with non tradeable items and the umpteen currencies we now have really detract from the desire to possess these things.


Going back to the cereal analogy, If you bought 10 boxes of a cereal to get a particular prize and a year or two later General Mills starts selling the prize directly, are you going to stop eating your favorite cereal ? Were you ripped off ? No of course not. This is like complaining you bought a boat because it was the only way to get the propeller and at a later date, the shipyard decided to sell the parts separately

If you want a legitimate cause to be upset look at the people who bought enhancements from the market and are now getting them nerfed.

You don't expect anyone to take that question seriously do you ?

Or are you under the delusion that you don't live in a world where people pay a premium to get things first, to cut to the head of the line and in general to have their shiny before everyone else ?

OK

-Beam Rifle DPA with disintegrate active-
Lancer Shot: 75.36

Archery

Blazing Arrow: 81.68

And that is on a relatively poor ST set. That doesn't need to set up disintegration to do its damage first.

ROFL

You are Tier 9 with at least 1/2 the current costume tier filled.

What more were you looking at "Buying Tokens" for ? The Mecha Armor that isn't available yet ?

Discounted from FREE ?

The early adopter reward is being first. You get to have it before other people

Let me get this straight.

1. We have people who are buying large bundles of points just to get tokens so they can have costume pieces NAO!!!
2. All they had to do to get them for free is wait.
3. These same people are going to have a mass outbreak of patience because they now know they can wait and then pay for them ?

Somehow I don't see that happening.

You know, I'd be surprised if anyone in this thread ever bought a computer. I mean the whining every time a new model is released must be indescribable. What do you mean two years from now someone else will be able to buy a system with twice the performance at half the cost I am paying now ? Where is the thank you for my loyalty ? Where is my reward for being an early adopter.

Well yours and everyone else's reward was you got it first and you got it for a token that you didn't have to buy. As the old saying goes "You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.". You got something you enjoyed, at a price you were willing to part with. Its time you counted your blessings instead of worrying about other peoples.

You got the costume pieces over a year ahead of anyone else. You get them for free. As far as meaningless rewards go, this one is pretty good.

That is just devices being its pokey self. Lay down your mine field pull things onto it. You can do the exact same thing on a traps corruptor, just better.

Forgetting that Psychic wail is a death sentence without build up, (Usually is even with build up), scramble thoughts and taser are just too damn slow. You try locking down a large spawn one mob at a time and they will kill you before you are a third of the way through.

There is where beam rifle gets trounced by fire. When you start adding in the effects of aim and build up on damage output well there is just no way to catch up. Especially when using aim or build up on Beam Rifle hits you with a redraw penalty. So you lose some of your boost window to redraw, you lose time you could be doing damage. Its not a winning combination.

Then don't buy. Wait for the alternate purchase plan and save your tokens for Mecha and Fire/Ice.

Right now the devs are playing games with you. They aren't telling you how or when these are going to be available and hoping you make the worst choices possible. Its a bit short sighted on their part but have you ever known anyone in marketing that could look beyond a quarterly sales report ? The only thing you can do is not reward them for doing it.

You got them for free. The tokens were a bonus item for buying points, you still had the points to use on other things. As a bonus you got the costume pieces well over a year ahead of anyone who isn't tier 9 yet and you are now in a position to let your monthly tokens fill new tier 9 costume slots as they drop without ever buying another point.

But this this this. If you can't give it a unique icon give it something like the base teleport's or the mission teleporter's. I have 8 trays up these days and way too many icons that look alike as is.

I don't see the allure of buying XP with real money and then having to work to get it again afterwards. If you want to sell faster leveling why not skip the foreplay and sell 5,10,15,20 level advancement tokens. As things stand your offerings are too half hearted to compete with RMTers. If people want to play the game and are willing to pay to do it, why would you think they would stop at half measures ?

I'd be perfectly fine with everyone having access to it. Putting it behind a couple hundred dollar barrier isn't the greatest idea I can think of and certainly can complicate any needed changes down the road.

Debatable.

The problem with Psi anything is it is overwhelmingly single target oriented and only has psi tornado to neutralize/mitigate incoming damage from an entire spawn. High multiples for difficulty mean the spawns can shred you at range while you are trying to kill them off one at a time.

I actually thought of that as an alternate.

Its actually a little ham handed but it does make the case. If you want to go with that case the initial situation would let you view the artwork on a limited basis prior to purchase. Before buying the right to view the artwork employees of the provider would have made substantial statements about the way the service is to be provided. Then at some point after the purchase, they would reduce the resolution from 1024x768 @ 32 bits/pixel to 128x48 in monochrome green with intensity of the pixel controlled by varying its duty cycle.


The people that bought these things were buying an advantage. They checked out what they were buying, and received assurances that the advantage they were buying was indeed what was meant to be sold. Now it's not an advantage.

Personally I don't feel that paragon should have been selling major advantages. But once they decide to do that they have to live with the consequences of playing with the terms of the deal.


Edit: Now that I think about it. Imagine if base builders buy the right upload large jpgs as textures for their bases ? What would happen if at a later point for some odd reason paragon decides they have to pull the feature, or do something akin to the de rezzing I mention above.

No matter how you slice, if you agree to provide a deliverable for a fee you are playing with fire if you play fast and loose with the nature of the deliverable.

That's fine, it just has little bearing on the fact people who bought the "Service" are now getting a different "Service". Its no different than if someone bought a years subscription to a service that promised to deliver images of da Vinci artwork to your picture frames, and after a couple of months they stopped and started with Salvador Dalis. They may have very good reasons for changing the content but it in no way alters the fact that Dali is not what was paid for.

/Insert a picture of a cute shocked face here

No I didn't call synapse a liar. I said you jumped to conclusions you liked. They are two different things entirely.