WildDok

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K guys, everyone interested meet at 7.30pm tomorrow evening at positron in steel canyon and we'll work out teams there and then...

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Count me in if you have spece for a 23 Scrapper.

BTW 7:30 UK time?

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Finally, just wanted to say that, if you don't wish to PvP, you don't have to - it's that simple.

Admittedly, at present you do need to enter the PvP zones briefly to complete the 'introductory' missions. As mentioned above, this is shortly to be changed, so that the contact you have to speak to is standing outside the PvP zone entrance.

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Thanks for the confirmation Bridger. As you seem to reading this thread could you please confirm or not another issues mentioned here:

The endgame is/will be all about pvp.

IMHO it dosent sound right - you have a game with optional pvp (as you confirmed) but if ppl want to see/participate in the endgame they will need to embrace pvp. A bit of a paradox!

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the game is tho. Statesman said "at the moment the endgame content is all about PvP" Isnt Warburg the higher level zone, if so then its likely to be under populated. PvP has never been hugely popular in any regular sense but we still get the nerfs for it in PvE

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I really hope not. This is going to seriously change the game principles based on which I bought it.

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The main reason I got this game over Wow(which I had before COH and did until last week cos I hate it still) was no PvP, got tired of the attitude of PvPers on that and Diablo(only other online rpg game I ever played) and this game is going that way fast.

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Agreed. I too looked specificaly for a mjor game that did not have pvp. I had enough of pvp in eve and wow. I support the Arena pvp as it has rules and its clear.

I am happy that pvp is now part of the game coz it brings new players in the pve areas. None needs 'introductory' missions to get ppl to pvp zones. Experiance says that pvp ppl will rush there anyway.

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Plus, my story arc seems to be broken at the moment since after the update of CoH/release of CoV, the current sewer zone for the next part of the mission gx lags to the point where it is unplayable while the rest of the game is fine so i am stuck with 2 out of 3 missions i'd either rather not do or cannot do.

Great eh?

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Exactely what happen to me - which prompted the original post.

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I'm not anti christmas person and I enjoy getting nice presents as every other person in here. I just dont like those christmas elfs... they make me sick!

I didn't buy a super hero game with stupid little christmas elfs running around and jumping on my head. It doesn't fit my image of heroish world. I did extensive research before I bought this game and found it to my liking and elf free... but what did they do!? They added Croatoa with those stupid little elfs with red hats!

Now I'm fully aware that I can choose not to go in that area but the mere knowledge that those little buggers with big smiles are there is haunting my every moment in CoH. I demand that I get a flag that can disable that area from me... or even better delete it alltogether!

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Thanks for re-writing mine.

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you can be attacked in the bloodybay pvp zone, as soon as you arrive which means for some on slow loading comps that they arrive dead or damaged.

Or you arrive and find yourself tped off the base surrounded by a load of ninja wannabes stroking their knives while dribbling.

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Yes you can be attacked in the safe zone but the attacker would die instantly (with debt) after the first hit because of the police drones.

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Nope. We found a spot right near the helipad that was out of Police drones range. If we wanted to grief people, a few Blasters with Snipe would decimate new players.

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Thanks for making the point for me. Enough said.

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Thats a self imposed rule.... and is due to you being a mental head-case . Nothing to do with the game.


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Very helpful and constructive to the topic - liable to get the thread locked or direct insults to people leading to action on your forum account.

As people have said, go see the guy, get out of there if you dont like the idea of PvP or being attacked when doing missions. Did the same myself last night.

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Thank you my pvp friend. I was polite just stating my opinion. I hoped that ppl could have a civilised dialog.

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WildDok, did you buy a game that promised never to have any OPTIONAL PvP content?

What promises were there written on the box? Did it say that the game wasn't subject to change?

IMHO choice is a good thing. You have a choice to completely ignore the PvP side of things if your morals will allow you.

You remind me of people who complain about programs they have watched on TV. They can always turn the thing off...but instead continue to complain about something that others enjoy that they didn't have to watch.

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You got me completely wrong there. Choice is excellent and by adding the pvp part in CoH the game has become so much better. Better for the ppl that like pvp, obviously, and better for the ppl that don’t like it because it has attracted new players who play in both areas, and has given the company a bit more income which means the y will continue developing CoH and/or other games.

To be honest I can’t remember if there was any guarantee on the box and I am sure I didn’t sign a contract on the no pvp issue.
I have the choice to not take the missions, or to put the DVD back in the box and next to WoW, Eve, Everquest.

There was no need for an explicit mention on the box, but lets give the company that sell it a little credit!! Everyone knows that there are ppl that like pvp and ppl that don’t. When they decided to make a game in a crowded market they decided to not go space or fantasy as its taken by bigger companies, they also decided to not add pvp again for similar reasons. That’s called: unique selling point.

I bought it on the basis of the unique selling point. No guarantee for the future plans. I would expect that when they decided to add to the game they will do it in a way that it does not interfere with the premises that some of their customers perceive the game.

Your opinion is (I think) that it does not interfere as it gives you a choice while mine is that it does. Lets agree to disagree.

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if u look better the missions in PvP areas are OPTIONAL u not have to do them and u can just skip the pvp contact and move on so the PvP is already optional.And u need read the red letters bette.

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My learned Greek friend, all missions are optional to degree. As in you dont have to do any, just happily hunt down mobs, lvl up, hunt higher mobs, different areas, etc. I can avoid any mission, and as the Fluct points out The Hollows is very avoidable. That is not the point. If a mission is given I always have the choice to not do it, but if I decide to do it then it should be within the parameters of the game I bought, which did not have pvp. In other words I should not have to worry about it.

Fluct reffers to the ethos of the game. Well IMHO when you play a hero you take all the missions given - you dont select who to save or not, otherwise you no better than the villains.

Basically keep the pvp outside mission areas OR confine mission to non-pvp areas OR use a flag to show if you want missions in pvp areas.

I am not anti-pvp. I tried it (not in CoH) and I don’t suck. I just don’t enjoy it as much as cooperative and solo play.

The point is CHOICE. There are games that are purely pvp oriented, others have no pvp, and some cater for both. When I bought CoH, among other reasons, was that it had no pvp.

I don’t mind that some marketing exec decided that pvp was the way to get more ppl buying CoV as long as that does not interfere with my play. And it seems that it does. At lvl 20 and up you get missions in pvp areas. Yes you may get the temp power to get there undiscovered but that is not the point. I don’t want to spend 30 lvls playing hide and seek while doing missions in pvp areas. pvp areas should not be part of the main game, it should be a choice if I go there or not. Otherwise it spoils the game I bought by changing the basic principles of it.

There are flags set for the difficulty you want to play your missions, maybe there should be a way to set a flag so contacts give you no missions in pvp areas. Even better, just move pvp out of the mission areas.

I agree with the guys above - its uderperforming compared with others but its definetely fun to play, especially after lvl 10-12 where you have enough attacks to make a nice flow - feels like you are in the comic.

for anyone that has not seen it yet this is the claws/inv guide form the US forums, edjusted for i6-ED:

Exported from version 1.5B of CoH Planner
http://joechott.com/coh

Archetype: Scrapper
Primary Powers - Ranged : Claws
Secondary Powers - Support : Invulnerability

01 : Resist Physical Damage damres(01) damres(46) damres(46)
01 : Strike acc(01) dam(3) dam(5) dam(7) recred(13) endred(15)
02 : Slash acc(02) dam(3) dam(7) dam(9) recred(13) endred(15)
04 : Temp Invulnerability damres(04) damres(5) damres(9) recred(11)
06 : Swift runspd(06)
08 : Follow Up acc(08)
10 : Dull Pain recred(10) recred(11) recred(34) hel(37) hel(37) hel(37)
12 : Hover endred(12)
14 : Fly fltspd(14) fltspd(40)
16 : Unyielding Empty(16) endred(17) damres(17) damres(19) damres(19) endred(40)
18 : Health hel(18) hel(36) hel(36)
20 : Stamina endrec(20) endrec(21) endrec(21)
22 : Focus Empty(22) dam(23) dam(23) dam(25) endred(25) recred(40)
24 : Spin Empty(24) dam(31) dam(31) dam(31) endred(33) recred(39)
26 : Eviscerate Empty(26) dam(27) dam(27) dam(29) endred(29) recred(39)
28 : Invincibility endred(28) thtbuf(33) defbuf(33) defbuf(34) defbuf(34) thtbuf(39)
30 : Resist Elements damres(30) damres(45) damres(46)
32 : Recall Friend rng(32)
35 : Tough Hide defbuf(35) defbuf(36) defbuf(45)
38 : Unstoppable recred(38) recred(43) recred(45)
41 : Petrifying Gaze acc(41) acc(42) hlddur(42) hlddur(42) recred(43) recred(43)
44 : Torrent acc(44) acc(50)
47 : Tenebrous Tentacles acc(47) acc(48) immdur(48) immdur(48)
49 : Teleport Foe acc(49) acc(50) acc(50)

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01 : Brawl recred(01)
01 : Sprint endred(01)
02 : Rest hel(02)

I followed it up to lvl 12 (have not battle tested hover yet) and it works. Admitedly a Wolvie clone as I'd like to do has nothing to do with hover, fly, and tp but i may respec later.

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I'd drop Slash (the animation is deadly for you in a large battle, and the defence debuff is minimal to the point of non-existance) and Follow Up

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maybe for later but currently these are bread and butter attacks, if I drop them then I have nothing else to use untill much later. So maybe drop them at a respec point?

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Not the most rigerous of tests you must admit.

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As I said above this was basewd on a US guide for claw/inv. Any guys here with high lvl i6-ED claw/inv please do share your spec - show the guys across the pond !

BTW. Sorry for the spec colours. The export program is targeted to the US site with a dark brue background.

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Ok first things first, for a Wolverine clone Regen WOULD have been the best choice, end of thanks very much.

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Let agree to disagree on that

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I fly around on defiant, so if you ever see me without a team send me an invite!

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I may take you up on that

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Your reputation is also your difficulty setting. You get a mish about it, explaining wot reputation is about around lvl 12 or so. Turn to heroic for easy soloing

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I set it back to rugged and the one above that and solo is doable. So that was my main problem.
I still think that claw/inv is underpowered. I run on the test server the following experiment:

Created scraper toons with other sets and started them all in same area. At lvl 1 and 2 I gave them the recomended powers but no sloted enhancments and went to an area that you can find whites. yellow, orange badies. Picked fights with these to see how many I can take on before I am dead.

claws/inv was bottom of the performance, with claws/regen not much better, MA toons were incredible.

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in a solo mission nothing should be purple, unless you have it on invincible. then you shouldnt be able to solo it at that level.

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I DO actually !! but have no idea what difference it makes?? please explain and do you remember where abouts are the guys to change it?

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if u wanted a wolverine clone wouldnt regen have suited better?

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Well BOTH to be accurate ! Adamantium skeleton = inv (sort of) Healing = regen.
I chose inv as adamantium was his unique characteristic (or used to anyway)

I will later (have to??) choose among fly, hover, air super which dont really match Wolvie.

First things first, yes I did create a Wolverine clone, whats the point of a heros game if I can't 'copy' one I like? Next thing, I play solo as much as I can - this is due to not wonting to commit properly to a team as RL is busy at the moment.

I am only on the early levels and it feels quite a bit of agrind to lvl up. All the missions - and I mean ALL the missions seem impossible to do solo. You get through the minions but the boss is purple++. I played Eve, Everquest, and others, and when you get missions, the majority are doable solo.

So I am getting to think that either thats the games mentality (force grouping on missions) or the rummor that claws/inv is a really weak set (rummor goes that devs did not want lots of wolverine clones running around)

My current spec is as follows (and really is a copy from the US claws/inv guide)

Exported from version 1.5B of CoH Planner
http://joechott.com/coh

Archetype: Scrapper
Primary Powers - Ranged : Claws
Secondary Powers - Support : Invulnerability

01 : Resist Physical Damage damres(01)
01 : Strike acc(01) dam(3) dam(5) dam(7)
02 : Slash acc(02) dam(3) dam(7) dam(9)
04 : Temp Invulnerability damres(04) damres(5) damres(9) recred(11)
06 : Swift runspd(06)
08 : Follow Up acc(08)
10 : Dull Pain recred(10) recred(11)

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01 : Brawl recred(01)
01 : Sprint endred(01)
02 : Rest hel(02)

I would appreciate any commnets for the old Canadian
OR as I am really quite early in the game I should shelve him and create a new toon??