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Quote:That is true... I wonder if people that didn't PRE-PURCHASE GR can get on the test server and still use DP... That would be interesting. I would think that they wouldn't be able to make a new one, but what if they have one on there from the DP test... Hmmmm... My thinker hurts! lolOriginally Posted by Coolio
Taxibots char will still be there on the test server tho,
Once it goes open beta and we can all get in then 'he' can get the info from the test server.
Last open beta I wrote down the slotting and saved my costume and powers info using the tailor screen.
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Quote:Again no offense is meant by this, but I and several others told you several times how to get the answer. The best you can do is PM a redname or wait for a redname announcement. If they do not answer your PM or announce who was in one, sadly you'll never know who was in the CB unless you yourself got in or someone from the CB told you who was in.Originally Posted by Oubliette
Not that anyone reads this when I type it, but again, the post wasn't about demanding entry into anything, is was about soliciting clarification *one way or the other* I don't care which. I repeat myself occasionally but I know there's no point in trying to keep this train on the rails. It's like making a campfire to boil water and all everyone else (with exception) wants to do is light torches and run around the forest setting things alight. Very annoying but that's the internet and especially forums.
Cheers
I also sent you a PM apologizing for getting a little too angry with you on this thread and have received no response. Is this because you don't wish to accept my apology or did you just not see that you got a PM?
In case Oubliette does not accept my apology, I hereby apologize to anyone that I may have gotten angry with in anyway shape or form. Please note that it was my understanding through some of the responses that I received from Oubliette and maybe others (I don't even remember right now) that they were just being smart with me and others and ignoring our facts that we lay out. I got heated in some of my posts and would like to apologize to all that read them or took offense to them! I sincerely mean this to all including Oubliette. Regardless of the circumstances of either party, my actions were not warranted and were uncalled for. Please excuse my actions.
We should all be in this for making new friends anyway, not enemies I hope to get to know more people on here that I can play the game with! I mean if we're not on here or in the game to have fun, then why try? Just my two cents.
I wish everyone well!
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Quote:No offense to anyone including you Taxibot, but this is the kind of mentality that keep people OUT of Closed Beta's. If I was a Dev and I read this, the last thing I would do is let you on the test server just so you could "Try something out for free". That mentality is what makes beta's hectic. Some people truly want to test issues while some just want to try out new stuff... Which would you want in the beta of your game?Originally Posted by Taxibot_Alien
]] "Account XXXXXXXX is not allowed on this server. reason: Public access to this server has been disabled."
That sucks. It's only been a week since they made Dual Pistols live for people who pre-but the non-boxed set...and I only had my toon up to level 32-ish...wanted to build out the rest of the levels, experiment with some more of the upper end powers for DP, and see what my toon had slotted to put him into Mids...NOT ANYMORE!!! >=(
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
You linked a reply in your own thread to the top of your thread? How recursive.
PS- don't get on people's cases for not reading replies if you're not going to read his whole reply. It was clearly facetious, kidding around since you're question is asked and answered.I personally thought they were just messing around with each other since all the questions had been answered. I think he was intelligent enough to know that he linked his own thread lol. I think you both missed the humor in this lol. (I could be wrong though!)Quote:Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
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Quote:I misunderstood this originally... Sorry!Originally Posted by Lightfoot
t will probably be released with the issue release that accompanies Going Rogue (Issue 18), since the two major new Powersets (Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning) will have already been completed and tested before Going Rogue goes to beta.
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Quote:I wouldn't worry too much about it. Marketing wouldn't have let them say they would have DS out unless they had a decently accurate timeline. Until they tell you otherwise everything is going according to planOriginally Posted by Heart Attack
I'm wondering about timescales, if they continue the CB for as long as usual and then have an OB will they have time for a CB and OB of Demon Summoning? After all it's due out in April and here we are mid March.
Of course there may be no CB/OB for Demon Summoning in which case it's all mute.
Just remember to be patient and wait. You'll see what happens soon enough. Remember there is nothing saying that they are NOT doing DS in testing with i17, but there is also nothing OFFICIAL saying they are. Just food for thought
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Quote:Yay! People use my thread! lol. Thanks for linking to it! It's nice to know people are using it lolOriginally Posted by Johnny_Johnny
Here's another thread composed by Zandercross which goes into all this in much more detail. Go HERE to read it
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Quote:All they are saying is that there has been no official announcement that DS CB would get the same treatment as DP CB. That is it. It's a fact that there has been no official announcement. It is your speculation that DS CB will have the same treatment as DP CB. Again that is your speculation.Originally Posted by bzald
Im sorry if im short with you but it does get old seeing the same thing typed over and over again.
no, im not sure why can people not understand this Demon summoning IS PART OF GOING ROGUE period plz stop it. Second since it is part of going rogue anyone who is from the list has a chance to get it period STOP SAYING other wise.
as to your second point Since DS Comes out before GR and yet is part of GR then the people on that list gets a CHANCE TO TEST THAT period will they all get in no.
THEN WHEN GR BETA DROPS yes all the list gets in maybe not all at once. Im really getting tried of people not understanding just like duel pistols demon summoning is part of GR.
Now if im wrong i will eat my words AT MY misunderstanding while i REALLY really wish a dev would come on and set the record straight or a rep etc i really don't see that happening.
with any rate since this is going no where as in the dog is eating it tail im done with the thread thanks all.
Unless you are in the CB and are breaking the NDA by telling us what's in it, (which has already happened once today) then you don't know for sure because there has been no official announcement. No offense meant friend, but all they were saying is basically, it is not official. That is all really.
Also, Furio never mentioned that he though DS was part of i17. He said IF DS was being tested with i17...etc. I'm not sure who you are implying on that part since you quoted your own post and his, when it is not mentioned that way in either. -
Quote:Lol thanks for that. I just want to helpOriginally Posted by Tahquitz
ZanderCross, you're working too hard man. Just try this when people ask on Issue 17.
If it can keep just a few people from posting questions on a new thread that have been posted many times before, then I call it a win I just want to make sure that even my information is in check
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Quote:I'm with you friend. I can patiently wait till the OB or even till live for that matter to try it. I want it, but I want it to be goodOriginally Posted by Jacks Assortment
lol. Aliens post was deleted hastily, but imo I really doubt people that got into CB of pistols are automatically gettin into i17 CB. The CB itself seems like a huge one, so it'll probably run its full 28 day course like past CB's . I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for my pc to rip a whole in Ultra Mode. Open Beta will be here soon enough. I'm willing to wait for it!
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It seems that the Admins have taken care of AlienOne's posts. Everyone keep the following in mind as we post information:
Quote:It's really not worth it guys! Let's not let that happen again. You are not proving someone wrong by posting information that is not official anyway. We want official facts not unofficial NDA breaking news. As far as I'm concerned until I see a redname announce it, DS is NOT in CB... are you ready for it AlienOne?... End of Story!Originally Posted by Avatea: in Message Forum Rules and Guidelines14. Posting Sensitive Information covered by a Non-disclosure Agreement (NDA) or Beta Testing Agreement.
Please do not post any information on these boards that refers to or is information covered by a games NDA or any other NDA or is proprietary information of any party. Any information about a game or third party covered by an NDA or Beta Testing Agreement that is posted will be removed and the poster may be banned from the forum. Furthermore - if the post(s) is relating to an NCsoft game beta, the post(s) will be removed, and your account of the NCsoft beta of which you broke the Beta Testing Agreement may be closed.
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Quote:Good job Kheldarn! Very nice information!Originally Posted by Kheldarn
The average length of Closed Beta seems to be 28 Days. If that's the case, Issue 17 should, in theory, go into Open Beta on March 30.
(Unless, of course, you add up the actual number of days of Closed Beta [167] and divide by the number of past Closed Betas [7], where the Average comes to 23.85714285714286 Days... >.>) -
LOL I just noticed something funny about the tags for this thread. My name and Smersh's name have been added to the tag like so Zander =/= Smersh.
What exactly is the point of this? lol Anyone want to shed some light on this one?
Edit: Ha so now there is one that says Zander == Smersh. I can assure you that's not true although we may have the same mentality on some of the subjects mentioned!
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Quote:First off I want to start off by saying I think I have been more than understanding until you just decided to ignore the facts. After everyone told you how it works you still ignored it. You are nothing more than a troll that started a thread. That's all you have been this whole time. I was trying to give you genuine facts and you ignore them.Originally Posted by Oubliette
For as a short a time as you've been with CoH, Zander, you sure do call a lot of people ignorant. Humility might suit you better.
And it's pretty clear you pop in this thread when you want to bicker... Just saying.
Also, please note that Feb 2009 is not when I started playing that game. That date is just when I decided to start joining in on forum discussions about the game. That is all that date means, nothing more and nothing less. So stop assuming things you do not know.
And also if anyone needs to be humble it is you. If you have truly been playing since 2004 how the heck do you not know the answer to the questions that I do? That makes no sense to me. Do you not by now understand how things work? You are ridiculous my friend, quite ridiculous. The question you asked would be one that someone would ask that just recently started playing the game and or hadn't kept up with what was going on. So if you really think that how long you played the game has anything to do with knowing what's going on, you are wrong. Sorry you're just wrong. You have proven that yourself. Humility might suit YOU better.
Is there anything else pointless you would like to say today?
I have had no problem with anyone on this forum being as stubborn and stuck up as you. You have continued to show that throughout this thread. It is not my fault that you don't listen to facts.
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Quote:I don't believe you saw either one of us saying it was the end of the world. We were just stating facts that some people like you choose to ignore.Originally Posted by AlienOne
*sigh*
Get over yourselves already.
It's just closed beta. It's not like it's the end of the world or something.
There has been no OFFICIAL announcement that DS is being tested. If someone has told you otherwise they are blowing smoke or if they are in the CB are breaking NDA or whatever it's called. (Sorry my brain hurts today...) Regardless until I see on official announcement that DS is for sure being tested I'm not going to get mad and pout about not being in the beta... I wouldn't get too mad anyway, but this is my personal feelings. I am not posting because you are "hurting my feelings" I am posting because you are ignoring these facts. Until actual proof is brought to the table DS as far as I or anyone else is concerned is NOT in CB since it was announced that only i17 is... End of story!Quote:I apologize if my post hurt anyone's feelings about the matter--my intention was to clarify that what they are testing currently was two of the highest-advertised aspects of Going Rogue: Ultra Mode and Demon Summoning.
That makes no sense. I stated above that UM was i17. You are just clarifying that. Are you arguing with me or yourself?Quote:Whether or not Demon Summoning (or even Dual Pistols) is a part of Going Rogue shouldn't even be a point of contention. To put it as simply as I can: you can't get access to Dual Pistols or Demon Summoning unless you buy Going Rogue. I don't believe that's ever been a point of debate.
Now, because they ARE testing Demon Summoning (regardless of whether or not you believe Ultra Mode = i17),
Again you don't make sense. Neither I or Smersh said we wanted to be in CB. Again are you arguing with us or yourself? We are not even arguing. We are telling you all FACTS that are OFFICIAL. No one else on these forums can give you any better except the DEVS themselves.Quote:that means they ARE testing an *aspect* of Going Rogue. Whether or not you think you should be in CB or not is your own problem. Contact Customer Support if you think you should.
If it means anything coming from me, which I'm sure it doesn't since you have now seemed to mark me as your enemy, I really hope you get these issues resolved. It is never a good thing when we get so caught up or something happens in R/L that we can't take time out to enjoy the simple pleasures that we just like to have fun with.Quote:For my part (as I stated before), I will not. I wouldn't properly be able to test for bugs because of current r/l issues, and therefore shouldn't waste the Dev's time.
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Quote:Even when I used the word complain I wasn't talking about you. I have just seen a lot of threads about people complaining about UM being part of i17 when I was personally excited about and so were all my friends. So more directed at them, not you. Again sorry that was confusing...Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
it did seem like you thought I was complaining
I agree! The Dark Mirror sounds like a good setup for GRQuote:Oh..and more missions is also good.
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Quote:All TJ was trying to say was this: Just because you are in the loyalty program doesn't mean you will be in the GR beta the first day GR beta starts. All that the loyalty program means is that you will get in when they let you, but you are guaranteed to be in before open beta. That is all. I'm not sure how that was misunderstood, but everything anyone has said on the forums lately had been misunderstood.Originally Posted by bzald
maybe reading zombie post right below yours will help you find your day one idk, but im done talking about something that really is not that important thank you texas justice.
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Quote:Well said sir!Originally Posted by Smersh
Right, they're testing all the content for Praetoria, the side-switching, and all the goodies that are Going Rogue.
Wait, that's not what they're testing?
Then it's not Going Rogue. It's Issue 17.
What you believe has little bearing on the facts.
Fact: In testing in closed beta is Issue 17.
Fact: While Issue 17 has the Ultra Mode which was announced at Hero Con, that still does not make Issue 17 suddenly become Going Rogue.
Fact: Ultra Mode will be available to all players, whether they buy Going Rogue or not.
Fact: Ultra Mode's independence from Going Rogue means that it is not an integral part of Going Rogue.
Fact: None of the content announced for Issue 17 was listed as being a part of Going Rogue.
Fact: None of the Loyalty Program, Veteran Status, or any of the other incentives promising entry into the closed beta for Going Rogue apply to Issue 17.
I also have thread of info that I pulled from different places to put in one thread with hopes of keeping people from making the same threads over and over again with the same questions. Check it out if you think it would help at all or if you have anything to change or add please comment on it:
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Quote:What "BS that i17 is separate than GR"? That makes no sense at all. Look at the overview for Issue 17 that I linked in my last post and then look at what comes with GR. UM is i17 now so get over it. DS is part of GR and so is DP. They are released early to PRE-PURCHASE customers ONLY. If i17 was GR then a dev wouldn't have stated that i17 was NOT GR. Simple as that!Originally Posted by AlienOne
I have it from reliable sources that they ARE. That's why I don't believe all this BS about "i17 is seperate than GR," because 3/4 of what they're testing right now IS GR, as it was announced at Hero-Con...
What I believe is that it will be done in waves, even if it means those of use who qualify for CB won't get in until a week before it goes to open beta.
At this point, I truly don't care if I get in at all anymore... I've started to have a lot of r/l issues coming up. so I haven't spent nearly the amount of time that I'd like to in the game...
"Alien"
Also, what makes you think that a new power set and some shadow and reflection upgrades are 3/4 of GR? If that were true it would barely be worth a $10 booster pack! What about the moral alignment system? What about all the new missions that and contacts that they will have to add so you have the ability to Go Rogue? What about all of the current content they will have to change to make it possible to get moral alignment points? What about the entire NEW CITY they are adding to the game!? Does no one else realize how much content they have to add for the MAS? seriously get a clue!
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Quote:My point saying that didn't matter oddly enough didn't mean it didn't matter OVERALL, but as far as what the Devs owe people, it means nothing. As you said assumptions are what lead to all this talk on the forums as it is. Sorry for my poor choice of wordsOriginally Posted by PeerlessGirl
It certainly DOES matter what people thought, especially when people get mad enough about it. Especially on the CoH forums, people are very good about making "assumptions" truths, and remembering the devs "promised" them things they never did.
I'm sorry if I implied that you spicifically were complaining. Not what I was trying to get off at all! You have my apologies!Quote:I am not "complaining" I was merely pointing out the way it will be seen by many, as I thoguht it worthy to comment on.
I understand. My point was, unless we are in we can't assume because we don't know. Sadly even if one of us WAS in and we WERE testing DS we couldn't say on here... *sigh... lol.Quote:I suspect that DS is indeed being tested at the moment, just from some comments I've seen around the boards, but no, I have no proof, yet. After the fact though, we'll see. I've been in 5 of the last 8 Closed beta's not counting this one, so I'm fairly familar with how things work back there.
Well said but if you look at the list of the Issue 17 Overview:Quote:Again, I suspect that given how much work UM is, it's indeed at least half the content of i17. We know there's a couple new story arcs I think, there's ultra mode, there's POBABLY demon summoning (as if they want to get it tested before GR's actual beta, they basically have to do it now to actually put it out "early" that's my reasonable assurance it's indeed there). There's probably Pohsyb's ususal round of QoL things, the email changes MAYBE the store updates they promised, a couple costume sets and poses and emotes, and I suspect that's it. It's therefore likely safe to assume UM is indeed "half" the content of i17.
I am not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying that right now it doesn't seem like half to me, but that is my personal opinion. It also depends a personal level what you get out of the issue I guess too. I am really looking forward to UM, but the rest of that sounds almost as good to meQuote:Features
Ultra Mode
Ultra Mode includes a superior graphics rendering process for players who have higher-end graphic cards. Each feature can be enabled or disabled in the graphics menu options and will be scalable. Ultra Mode works on both Macs and PCs. In specific, it offers dynamic shadows, screen-space ambient occlusion, and dynamic environment reflections (including planar reflections and environment mapping of reflective surfaces).
Epic Archetypes Unlocked at Level 20
Previously, you had to have at least one character at level 50 to make an epic archetype character. No more! Now you can create an epic archetype character as long as you have any one character at level 20 or higher.
Animated Tails
No more tails lying about like dead weight! You will now be able to select tail body parts that will react to your movement and have a swaying or swishing idle animation mode. You will need to go to a tailor to upgrade to the animated version.
Content
New Story Arcs: Issue 17: Dark Mirror features two new Hero and two new Villain story arcs for levels 20-30. Each of these story arcs has four missions, and the story arcs highlight the Dark Mirror's sinister new enemy. Acquire the first Hero story arc in Talos Island, and the first Villain arc in Sharkhead Isle.
Silver Mantis Strike Force Update: The Silver Mantis Strike Force will now be available to all Villains, not just supergroups. You now can access the Silver Mantis Strike Force via Silver Mantis, located in Sharkhead Isle. You can also run this Task Force from your supergroup computer.
Positron Task Force Update: This Task Force has been split into two halves and dramatically upgraded and updated to ramp up the fun. The final battle of the Task Force takes place in the Faultline Dam and incorporates the new Dark Mirror enemy.
New Badges: Along with adding badges for 500 Badges Earned, 750 Badges Earned, and 1,000 Badges Earned, we are adding new exploration badges to city zones, almost doubling the number of exploration badges. You can learn new Accolades for finding all of the exploration badges in each city zone.
New Player Emotes: We'll let you know more about the new emotes soon.
Quality of Life Improvements
Craftable Temporary Powers: You will now have a much cleaner and more consistent way of finding and crafting temporary powers.
Increased Mission Count: You can now have seven active missions (previously three).
Show Last Objective: This UI improvement lets you find your last objective on a mission map, making it easier to find something you've missed.
Auction House: The UI gives you new options for sorting search results, your Auction House inventory is now separated by clearly marked tabs based on the item's status, the Auction House text entry box now autocompletes, and a single click on a recipe displays all salvage needed for that recipe.
In-Game E-mail: You can now use in-game e-mails to send Influence/Infamy to your own characters or to other players' characters via in-game e-mails. (You still cannot send Influence, Infamy, or items from a Hero to a Villain or vice versa.)
Mission Architect Improvements
Experience: You can now handpick the powers for custom enemies and still receive experience for them (within game balance limits).
New Maps: We have added approximately 20 new unique maps.
Giant Monsters: You can now add giant monsters to some outdoor maps.
Exit Mission on Complete: You can now specify that players have to leave the mission manually on completion.
Escort Missions: "Lead to place" technology allows you more control over escort objectives.
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Quote:It was said since HeroCon (I believe don't quote me on that) that UM was going to be released early if they got it done in time, which means it was never considered an exclusive part of GR by the Devs. It makes no difference what the people thought, it matters what they mean even if there was some kind of miscommunication somewhere.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
While it's true i17 is NOT GR, it might be worth pointing out that half of i17s content was indeed conceived for GR, as at the time those slides were taken Ultra Mode was part of GR. I does seem like a bit of a snap-around if it has indeed been "removed" from the GR beta requirements due to it no longer being part of GR. The biggest offender here is Demon Summoning. If Demon Summoning is part of i17 CB right now, then technically that's part of GR (as you cannot get it without preordering/and/or owning GR), and thus it should allow "60+ month vets" and "Loyalty members" in. It's all splitting hairs, and ultimately up to the devs of course, but given that I know loyalty members were in the DP closed beta and DP is part of going Rogue, I certainly hope DS is NOT in the currently CB, othewise they're violating their own conditions. That's really the only comment I have to make. I'd love to get in, sure, but it's not the end of the world either way, starting a CB over DXP weekend was..less than well though out anyway, kinda glad I didn't have to split my focus, personally :P
Why can't we all just be happy that we are getting UM in April instead of having to wait till July to get it? This is completely blowing my mind! Did you also notice something else here? If you UM was part of GR you would have to buy the expansion to get it, correct? OK that being said they turned content that everyone thought you originally had to pay for and made it FREE. It's FREAKING FREE NOW. lol! What is there to complain about?
Also please note that in this announcement: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=211335
DS is NOT mentioned. You can only assume that they are NOT testing DS right now and that it is I17 ONLY, at least until we are told otherwise.
@PeerlessGirl: How is UM half the content of I17? It is a big part don't get me wrong, but I do not see that as being HALF the content. It is just large in size. And DS is still part of GR even if it comes out the same time as I17. You still have to PRE-PURCHASE GR to get it even then. They did that as a perk for PRE-PURCHASE. -
Quote:Here is your message:Originally Posted by Dave_67
Yeah, I just got the e-mail reply from Support saying the same thing.
The problem is, if there was a message saying that it was in closed beta mode at the time, I wouldn't have felt frustrated, thinking that things had been screwed up even though I had followed the installation instructions to the letter - after having to re-read parts of it three times because it was quite confusing.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=211335
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Quote:lol well i think regardless of who or where it said it, the fact of the matter is this: UM is now part of I17. Until content is released the developers have right to take out or put in anything that they see fit. Unless of course under stipulation for PRE-PURCHASE they tell you that you are getting DP and DS, but decide to scrap DS... I'm pretty sure they would have a lot of lawsuits in their hands there lol!Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Odd that you recall a forum post and I don't. I live in the Dev Digest and Community Digest threads. I follow every link to every post. If it's got an article linked, I read it. I recall nothing along these lines.
I certainly don't recall hearing any of the Devs or Community team member say this at HeroCon, or read about it in any reports from forums I couldn't attend due to being in a different forum at the time.
I do know that in my direct talks with some of the Devs that they said they were looking to have UM out in an issue before or with GR. I'm thinking it was The Dark Watcher and GhostFalcon, but it's been many months since then and my memory isn't what it was, so I won't swear to that.
Hopefully one of them will do a vanity search and come in and correct me if I'm wrong or verify if I'm right. I'm not holding my breath though.
Regardless they turned something that you originally thought you'd have to pay for and now made it free Let's not fight on the circumstances but let's rejoice together! lol... Ok so that was corny, but regardless let's not miss the point at hand here
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Quote:The wording is now revised so no worries guys.Originally Posted by macskull
This is one of those "learn to read" things. From the OP:
So no, he and I are not saying the same thing.
Like I said before I am just concerned that people are getting the wrong info. I am trying to make this thread a central hub of information so we don't have a lot of threads on here asking the same things over and over again. Hope this helps you realize my goal!Quote:Originally Posted by BloodFairy
i just meant he isn't even a red name, so what's he posting all this info about. I already know indefinitely who everyone is though
It would be nice if this was stickied! Then people would have this thread to come to as a resource instead of starting ten more threadsQuote:Originally Posted by Novawulfe
Well put together forum of info, this should get stickied for usefulness in the future.
P.S. My post has been updated. If anyone sees an error please let me know, and I apologize for all the new posts... I forgot you could multiquote items! lol I will do this from now on!
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Quote:That is actually what I said, but I will rephrase it if that will make things more clear.Originally Posted by macskull
Absolutely and completely incorrect. DS will be pushed onto the servers at the same time as I17, but it will only be available if you pre-purchase GR. From the GR pre-purchase announcement: