Another_Fan

Perhaps you bother because even you realize that sighing and insisting don't equal a reasoned argument. Tickets help everyone. They allow people to target their efforts to satisfy the greatest demand. They may very well be what has allowed the markets to stay functional while population dropped.

Enlarge the interface so you can see all your transactions at once and then work in the all transactions section. Problem solved

Last time I checked ticket rolls were random in level ranges. So it seems only a particular narrow kind of randomness is infinitely more enjoyable. If someone enjoys randomness tickets should be their heaven its like sitting down at a wheel of fortune, the same for merits.


What massively random drops do is penalize the person getting them to the benefit of people working niches marketing. So when you say he is right you are saying people should have to marketeer to get decent return on their play efforts. In case its escaping you that is why people like to save up merits and use them to buy something they are comfortable with what their return is

I don't think you can chalk up availability of IOs in the old system just to the forced roll. The game had a higher population at the time, and if you were a speed runner you could achieve very high rates of return/time by hitting the speed tfs, Katie, Eden, the Cap SF. These also contributed to availability on the market. You used to have hordes of people running TFs and Trials for better than a merit per minute return. Now you have less people and much smaller percentage that are achieving merit per minute returns.


Again Larger population and higher earning rates again are factors as well. Regarding the supply for max level items blueside I haven't seen anything at max level that hasn't had a reasonable supply for quite awhile

I don't think the devs have stated what the reasoning was behind the exemplar changes. Its a little hard to make the leap that the changes reflected that they wanted you to exemp but didn't mind you having set bonuses when exemped. The recent botz nerf could be argued as being a counterexample. If the devs wanted easier access to set bonuses at low level they could have changed the way the bonus rules work. Just a note taking set bonuses into low level content can easily be overpowering.


The last time I did survey of where the people were the single biggest concentration was at 50. That was awhile ago but, as I type this the server where I am on has 81 people visible 26 are 50s and 20 are 1-10s. The below 10s aren't eligible this gives the 50s single largest population concentration.

I completely agree with the intent of your changes what I have been trying to communicate is that the side effects might make it undesirable.

There was another proposal awhile back that would probably suit everyone better. Instead of having a slider for when you roll a recipe you could have a slider that would determine what level the crafted enhancement came out, as long as it wasn't higher than the initial level of the recipe.

The best from the original thread was buying scarce pool A recipes and crafting them. Something that the people who were arguing the random roll liked to act as if it had been blanked from their perceptual field. The downside was it takes a fair bit of research to find those things and it can take a good deal of patience to make your money. (Being patient in waiting for your fun in a video game is no virtue)

The original random roll was worth a little less (less 1% difference) than buy and sell at the maximum profitability. Given that the market fluctuates much more than 1% on a day to day basis the difference is not significant.

The question boils down to do you feel lucky, and if you do feel lucky are you willing to do the crafting and tie up the market slots you need to, to make your money.

Well then there is no need to force people to take random rolls on the way up. The Max level items have always commanded a premium price and still do. The only exceptions are procs and globals and even those tend to have a U shaped price distribution. The only thing making people take random rolls on the way up does is force them to sell at a disadvantage, at a time when the toon has less slots and less storage.





Supply and volume on the market have never been better as long as you are working at max level. Its not surprising that the devs haven't taken up the suggestions from their point of view its probably working very well.

When you say all people that use the market that is clearly not the case. The people taking advantage of the concentration of activity at the top level and making good use of it will clearly not benefit from these changes. They will have to search more and become more familiar with other level ranges whats more this has the net effect of fragmenting the market into many more little off level markets.

It will be a giant benefit to people that go around placing bids on little used alts and checking in on them every few weeks

Weather or not you agree with what I see as the effects, your changes certainly will not benefit everyone. Not even everyone that likes and wants to participate in the market.

Actually I just call them hypocrites and that is to the very small intersection of people who posted in the how easy is to make inf thread and then whined about how horrible it is to use the new interface. Uber guy asserted that people who weren't able to pick up simple functionality in a video game were mentally deficient. At the time he was talking about something he felt he was good at, and for some reason or other isn't amenable to the same argument for things he isn't good at.

Well its made it easier for me. I know many people in the game and the only complaints I heard about the new market were when it was down, about lag issues, and the occasional where did this get moved to.

I don't know where you get 1% from or how you got it.

I do know this its measurably easier to craft and sell ios now than it used to be.

Completely agree on 1-5, 6 I would love as well but unfortunately the devs have decided to give merits as a vet award.

Broken for whom ?

I really wasn't pleased when merits were put in, and from my point of view they still leave much to be desired but you have to ask just who does this really benefit ?

The person who holds their merits and rolls at 50 is enjoying things immensely now. What they have is a nice concentrated market for buying and selling their items. Whats more they are much more likely to get top dollar for their items than they ever were before and much more than they would if they generate off level recipes. Even with supply at nearly zero, off level items are not going anywhere near where they need to be, to make it worthwhile to produce them. If you add in the fact that they also move more slowly well its about zero benefit to people on the production side to get items they are not familiar with and aren't particularly set up to gain maximum advantage from.

The person who buys particular recipes minimizes their effort in realizing their gain and insures that they get just as good a price, or better on average than the person random rolling without taking a chance. If you are someone who doesn't play often enough or generate enough merits that you can be confident of approaching the statistical averages this is plainly a giant benefit.

The people that these suggestions would most seem to benefit are those with large numbers of alts with large numbers of market slots and the inf to do bid sniping on those alts and slots.

If you want to call the people posting here morons, that is your prerogative. I wouldn't call people that insist what they like to do is easy and anyone who can't do it is lazy, has a sense of entitlement but when there is slight bit of change go on a whinefest of epic proportions, morons.

Then again I wouldn't claim victory because I told a bunch of people that are clearly whining about something that their whining was justified and they agreed.


As to your claims about the onerous nature of autocomplete, well i ran some missions this morning, received a doctored wounds, efficacy adapter and enfeebled operations recipes. Managed to buy the salvage I needed without having to search for it, crafted them, and then listed. Effort to list, changing one digit between items.

If you can't learn to edit within a field you may just have lost the game at least when it comes to evolution.

I'm the guy who isn't having a problem using the market. You're the guy that can't be troubled to look at the numbers they are bidding. What a strange set of victory conditions you have.

Didn't you rage quit over the new interface ?

That was on the 11th no less.

Is your thesis that 100-1000 inf represents too large a percentage of someones wealth ?

I would be willing to grant the idea if you were vendoring salvage recipes and enhancements, but the new interface is a giant friend to anyone doing this. They are almost always bidding the same low ball amounts for stacks and stacks of items. They just need to key it in once and go hog wild.


I have no idea what a moderate market user is.

I do know this, for crafting and selling drops, the market is very much easier to use. Just pop the recipe in, and work your way up the salvage in cost. All you have to do is click change one or 2 digits and bid.

For flipping its a positive joy. Bidding on multiple stacks of items incredible in its ease. Low balling similar items equally so.

For buy and crafting , its the best of both the above.

For selling drops its a giant plus if you have an idea how much things should cost, and a slight positive if you don't.

For the people that sell everything at 1 inf, well now they only have to type that once, and I don't think they will cry about about it if that's what they bid for something.

Seriously, just how has the new interface made your interactions more risky ? You can't be troubled to read your bids/offers before hitting post ?

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Well I don't know about superiority, but I seem to have been able to meet the requirements you describe above.

I am so glad I looked once again before hitting the links. In the same thread I have been both accused of having poor marketing skills and having so much money I don't care about the common people.

Be happy I think this will add strokes to my game as I will be unable to stop chuckling while trying to make shots.

You really really need to ask yourself how you can make better use of the system. Every time you say something here about it, it becomes more and more apparent you are fighting it, because it isnt what you are used to, instead of working with it.

Try again kiddo, you haven't shown anything. I can easily see your inf and call your IOS.

The point is how long did it take you to get them and how did you did you get them ?

The only thing your original post proved is that you play the game alot.

Either that or when I am selling things for 10s to hundreds of millions I don't sweat the small stuff.

Untrue ?



This is just to illustrate how inadequate your post is

9500 >> 6100

We could also go into the time it took you to get them etc etc.

Well seeing as you now have an interface that can be resized to show you all your transactions at once, some people might consider that a great improvement. Seeing as it was requested repeatedlyand the game runs a 4:3 aspect ratio full screen vertical is not surprising.

Most people look at a thing as a whole. I know many people that didn't like using computers because of what could be considered minor interface issues. What you are doing here is asserting as fact what for you is at best a guess, and then misconstruing forum activity to support your position.

They are not separate things. You have to use the interface to benefit from the market. If you find it troublesome annoying or difficult to access something you aren't going to like it. This is especially true when you have to use it repeatedly.


Many people divide the nature of man into soul and body. They are wrong as well. The reductive method is fine for building the parts of a system and breaking it down, but in the end people buy a product they want not the pieces. When you go to buy a car, you don't purchase on the basis of do you like the brand of fuel line. Likewise, there are continuous arguments about development methodologies, and environments for software, I have never met a customer who actually cared.

And people who have difficulty using the interface to the market are more or less likely to get fleeced or taken advantage of ? You are also either deliberately or through faulty memory mischaracterizing the objections to the market "community". There were always just as many people that complained marketing took too long.

Well first its not a strawman but an analogy. But lets go through this fine canard you have presented. First the market is hardly optional in this game, neither is the IO system. They are only optional if you are willing to accept having underperforming characters, doing everything in the game slower and with greater difficulty and then receiving less rewards than everyone else.

Next if you can't deal with the market interface, how does that affect your ability to gain an understanding of market dynamics ?


As to your why did no one gain an understanding of what their barriers to using the market and then come here to argue the point ? Why didn't the web take off when Vanevar Bush came up with the idea in the 40s or when David Ahl started Xanadu in the 70s. Some things are only obvious in retrospect.

I have no doubt that there are some people that would hate a market and in game wealth no matter what. There are people running around with characters that are variations of captain communism, red gaurdian etc. I also know people that felt it was too much trouble to make use of the market or that it took too much time for them.

When I read this my first thought was you need to work on learning to use the new interface. Its the kind of thing that leaps out at you. If you want want to craft an IO you just hit the search for salvage link at the bottom, its all layed out for you, start with the cheap commons and work your way up. If something is significantly more expensive add a digit. Couldn't be much easier.

Sorry you having trouble mastering this, but don't expect much traction when anyone who understands the new methods can demonstrate you are barking at the moon.

If you order your bids to take advantage of the fact that you will be buying or selling things in price bands its great. If your work pattern is very random in terms of price its horrible.

I just find myself buying the cheap stuff and working up to the more expensive things.

It also comes in very handy when selling. Just load items in a price range onto the market and work your way through.

If you use it well it does let you do things faster than the old interface. If you try and fight it, it will make you miserable.

Well if you haven't everyone else has with the possible exception of 3. Which is just pretty much laughable. The direct purchase option was put there for people that wanted to get particular rewards without dealing with the market. As it stands it lets players know that they have goods they can definitely convert into what they need to make their build. Doubt the devs would be willing to screw them over just to provide some extra volume of unwanted items dumped on the market.