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I also haven't been out to Alpha Centauri to check on the planning for new hyperspace bypasses.

Apparently its not 24 bodies that haven't reached room temperature to get this done, it needs well crafted teams.

Its 11:30 have you hugged your brute today ?

Oh please do, I'll be glad to do everything I am able to promote this venture.

Never trust anyone with more than 1k posts.

I love the way you missed what was said. I also like the way you try to say that flippers are not part of the market. While I can't divine the original intent I can certainly see the consequences.


Further proof that anything can be rationalized if you try hard enough? Or did you just fail to notice that you can make direct purchases with merits and completely bypass the market for recipes with them ? That tickets allow you to directly buy the salvage you want.

It may not have been their intent but between tickets and merits they put in a means where the market can be completely bypassed in a reasonably time efficient fashion. With HVMs they nailed that coffin shut.

I13:Merits
I14:Tickets
I18:Hero Villain Merits

They certainly seem to have been trying to provide the ability to not deal with flippers or the market in general to people.

Any argument about X changing the money supply affecting overall pricing needs to determine first just how big X has to be before it has an effect and just what that effect will actually be.

Real World example, increasing income taxes does not always or even usually increase government revenues.

Bots dark does well enough and is able to do so on SO builds. The combination of web envelope, tar patch and the assault bot shooting burn patches everywhere is quite effective.

You did that very well, do you often have to come up with such elaborate self justification ?

I can't claim to have played all the mastermind combinations but there is absolutely no circumstance in the current game where they can't be as safe as the want to while still delivering an incredible amount of damage.

It used to be some missions would have a hot door ambush that would hit masterminds while they were summoning pets. Now the pets zone with you and those seem to have disappeared.

AoE only hurts masterminds, when it actually hits the mastermind. Its also not that big a deal when all the pets can be softcapped to all positions.

Don't worry its impossible to take anyone seriously who says things like this

All I can take away from that is you are one of those people that plays blasters, sees big orange numbers and thinks they are doing great.


This is a tank fighting a pylon

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...11#post3135311

152 dps for what is by any measure not the highest output combination.

I would normally take the trouble to do the calculations and show you that is comparable to many blaster single target chains but honestly what would be the point when you show such an ability to dismiss anything you don't like ? As you demonstrate below.

There are always things that may not be captured in the model. In this case the tank is applying bruise to the pylon. That means if he had a team he would be increasing the damage output of the team on the pylon by 20%.


Shut you up ? NEVER. A quote from Napoleon comes to mind.

There are no "Real world factors" its a video game.

How do I reply to this? First you call me a hater, then you assert I have no experience with the AT ? It just seems one more instance of you substituting your opinion for any actual knowledge of the situation.

You seem to be doing an excellent job discrediting your position. Right now your argument boils down to you are correct because you think you are and no amount of evidence will change your belief.

I was going to say I didn't see it, but I see how it can be done

Uhmm I wasn't saying 39% was the softcap just that SR allows you to get close enough to the cap that you close the gap with very minimal slotting. This goes back to arguments about the BotZ IO set being nerfed because it made things too easy.

Its my fault because apparently I left off some of the reply when I copied it into the box. The sentence fragment that followed was talking about the claim made that SR can be softcapped without any IOS. I don't see it unless they are including in -to hit or + def from a primary

I am sorry here masterminds aren't the most survivable AT in the game because of body guard mode. Its a nice trick but it really pales in comparison to not being where combat is. At villain hamidon raids you can see masterminds hiding behind a rock (playing cards or dice ?) while they send an endless stream of henchmen to antagonize the Hamidon. Not even stone tanks backed up by teams of defenders are that safe.


They Arc/mm vs fire kin is variable depending on the enemies and circumstances. If bosses are in the mix the fire/kin pulls significantly ahead.

With the recent changes to the patron pools, A corruptor, defender, or controller gain their personal survivability and or damage much easier than a blaster. Strato nexus is very correct that an all buff/debuff team needs 8 good players, but the question is what do you add to the additional spots in any case.

Blaster, More ranged damage ? and really awful control ? I'll never forget the time I had to show the tl of a molgtf that my blaster had enough recharge to contribute meaningfully to fighting the mitos.

Controller, Control, pets, good damage and buff debuff

Tanker aggro management and team survivability

brute aggro management, team survivability and in the hi buff scenario more damage than a blaster.

Scrapper, comparable damage to the blaster, aggro management, and team survivability

Blaster, ranged damage ?? He also brings aggro back to the buffer debuffers if he is anywhere near them

About the only AT I can think of that could be said to bring less to a team than blasters are kheldians, even then I am pretty sure its not really the case especially with warshades. (their downside is the team has to fight crystals and voids)

Lets play spot the fallacy. I'll even give a personal anecdote. I know some people that were trying sell software based on a cloud computing model where the end user, would in effect be purchasing the program as a rental and have their data held hostage by the vendor. They went under in 2001.

From the above you might conclude any of the following
1. You can't sell software as a service
2. The dot bomb crash killed them
3. Users will not allow their business data to be held hostage by their vendors

My own interpretation was that they had chosen too difficult a market segment for that technique, and at the time were unable to offer sufficient benefit. The dot bomb collapse was incidental, in that it dried up the supply of people that were investing in things that should never have received one red cent of funding.

Now since the market merge, I started shifting about 20 items and I am currently at about 10.

I would show mine but I am off to bid 255,555,557 on a hecatomb

Got it, you don't understand the concept of change over time, or the idea that most people aren't going to leave up bids in perpetuity.

To the extent that I can buy up low priced supply I can shift the price point. The counter to this is the bargain shopper can try and look in and hope to catch where I am buying my low cost and bid a little higher. Unless they plan to make what I am doing their niche good luck at that because it doesn't pay if you want only one or 2. Even if they do they have taken a considerable penalty to get their shiny.

The way things are set up in this game at the moment, there is absolutely 0 problem with the supply of anything with the possible exception of PvP IOs and purples. There isn't a recipe you can't have at the exact level you want within 2 days of wanting it, there isn't a purple you can't afford within 6 days of wanting it.

The supply of recipes and salvage is almost as large as the supply of marketeers rationalizations for why people should enjoy being PvPed by them.

Edit: Just to be clear that is showing that if you don't like the market you can almost completely bypass it.

Would you care to say exactly what part of it I am not understanding ? Because it seems from your follow up you have a bit of a comprehension gap.




If we have an item that has 50 for sale people are bidding 2 million inf for and I come in and leave up a stack of bids at 800k, relisting at 1.799 million because I have determined that 1.8 mil is where the lowest of the 50 listed are. All I have done is either taken 1.2 million inf from the low lister who might have gotten the next sale if I hadn't been there, or I have gouged a bargain shopper who didn't have the slots to leave up an endless number of bids for anything they might want.

Masterminds are more survivable than just about anything else in the game because they can simply not be the target. If they decide to be the target they have more hitpoints and regeneration than just about anything else in the game. Bodyguard mode + Ability to resummon pets + Self heal.

To couple that with peak end single target damage and very good AoE damage well it does explain the non explanation of game balance from the developer QA, and Castle's rush to cover the non explanation.

You don't need buildup to take Gaussian, any +to hit power does the job. And you don't need gaussian to get the cap at all just combat jumping, the fighting pool and one IO gets you 39% and change.

You can actually cap without any IOs other than a steadfast. I believe someone made the claim awhile

If you don't take combat jumping you have to find ~3% defense from IO slotting, I really don't know how much more minimal it could be.


The ability to lock down just about all spawns before they go into combat doesn't count for you ?

Its very easy to stroll into melee when what you are attacking can't hit back.


On a mixed buff debuff team its almost always better to add another buffer/debuffer than it is to add a blaster. The only times its not are when the team has already maxed out on a quantity +def,+dam,-res etc and adding an additional buffer/debuffer of type x adds nothing.

At the above point you can ask the question what is better to have ? Control, aggro management, flexibility or additional damage that requires constant attention from the buff debuff team.

Let me know when you learn how to play your blaster better than any of these

317 dps without applying minus regen. I may have to do the drudge work of collecting mob damage rates, just to show exactly what a horrible job was done balancing the ATs in this game.

Seeing as I have made billions flipping salvage, flipping IOs and have flipped enough to get all the sales badges without trying, I may not get it, but I sure got something that works.

Now let me give you the piece you don't get or don't want to get. Most of my flips are to people that don't bid creep. They are putting in their bid at what they think is fair, or what the last 5 looks like. The people I buy from are listing low to get a sale and they are hoping for a fair price. I urinate on their hope, and do my best to make certain that the smart shopper who comes by cant get too much from smart shopping it because I was there first.

No assumption of the kind made, if anything on the survivability side I assumed that the enemies were all rooted because I didn't provide for the damage their attacks do to escalate

Iffy. I run tip missions on blasters, scrappers, controllers and occasionally my peace bringer. At 0/1 they take similar times to complete a session of 5 tip missions. The blasters/pb do better getting tips because ranged aoes of any kind are very effective against gray enemies. The controllers and the scrappers can pick up the pace in mission especially when there are ambushes.



Holy Moly

I hadn't seen this. This is freaking ridiculous you have the devs nerfing brutes because they are doing 3% more damage and having 10% more hp than scrappers, but Masterminds are doing 50% more damage than blasters and are nearly impossible to kill doesn't at least prompt a question ???

You also have buffing tanks* that have more AoE than most blasters and team buff/enemy debuff that rival defenders out damaging blasters ? *The crab spider

And just take a look at the SR scrappers able to out damage a blaster. With minimal and I mean minimal IOs SR is as about as safe as it gets. There is just no way that a SR anything should be at the same level as the top blaster

I can't even begin to say how wrong that is.

Count me in the enjoy dominators column. They start well and just get better. I think I mentioned my reasons upthread. Doms and Controllers have active defense that works, Doms also have domination which is just plain fun, if I were to try and fix blasters I would have to think very hard about taking away aim and build up and giving them something like the old style domination.

It really reads better, instead of literally being able to fire an assault rifle in your sleep, your naturally ability to blast allows you to tap your inner reserves to break the holds others may have over you and righteously let forth a great stream of damage.

My one problem with dominators currently is perma domination but that is another topic

Proof positive that man is not the rational animal but the rationalizing animal


Just an alternate interpretation the flipper paid the lowest price he thoght possible and listed at the highest price he felt would not be under cut

You either can't or just don't wish to understand what has been said.

And to be precise. That is assuming they are going from 45% defense to all attacks to 30% defense all attacks. Which is about what they lose from their epic shield going down and have the rest of their defense in passive set bonuses. If they have more in other non auto powers they lose more. That build that relies on weave and hover loses another 5+% depending on slotting and it goes on and on.

The lethality decrease is on the order of 8 or better. Loss of AoEs, loss of aim and build up, loss of everything except the tier 1 and tier 2 powers.

Just so you can understand that fire electric blaster goes from 300 dps best case to under 150 dps when mezzed. Aim and build up are gone. Aoes are gone. Which means that for every thing that is attacking the blaster loses one unit of its unmezzed lethality. No fireball, No breath of fire, No rain of fire. No mitigation except electric fences.





Every discussion here has factored in the APPs. If you don't understand how go back and read the thread.

This was already covered up thread.

Edit removed redundant phrase: I would suggest that the next time you play the game you try watching what is happening.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=130754

600 plus posts on scrapper damage peak damage better than theoretical peak blaster damage.

As it stands the Tank at 150+dps is starting to move in on blaster single target damage.

Do you keep asking this, because you feel, if you ask it last it makes you right ?