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Quote:Then start a campaign to get all player to stop paying so much. If everyone would stop paying 2bil+, then the prices would drop. Prices are set by whatever people were willing to pay.I know that people are wiling to pay 2 billion, or over 2 billion for certain enhancers. I believe this is bad for the game, bad for new players, bad for the franchise. This will lead to discouragement for new players, and discouraging new customers is the epitome of stupid marketing tricks. So yes, people pay 2 billion plus. I think this hurts the game.
If you list a glad proc for 6 inf, you are very unlikely to get 6 inf for it, no matter how much you want to sell it for 6 inf. As the seller, you can't control that.
Quote:First of all, I never said I was an expert on the market.
Quote:I do not enjoy standing at the market. I will even share why. I help manage car auctions as my job. I do not want to log onto my video game and do my F-ing job. I log onto this game to create villains and heroes to run around a world with superpowers. i log onto this game to create and animate the characters that I write about, paint, draw, and game with in over the table top RPGs. I absolutely do not log onto this game to play the market.
Quote:Should prices at the market make it nigh impossible to finish even one character after 42 months of gaming. NO.
Quote:Instead, I play the game, I play it at low levels, I play it for fun.
Quote:Especially since everything I read from the Devs says they encourage this kind of play, I would like to see some in game rewards that indicate this.
Quote:Instead, the farmers and marketeers who do not play, or grind the same mish constantly, they get all the good treasure.
Most marketeers will tell you that farm grinding is for suckers.
I could, but I won't and I haven't.
Quote:In the end I am building a logical case to present to the Devs that they need to reward the type of play they say they encourage.
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Quote:shhhhBecause there is a vast, elaborate conspiracy of morally depraved people who have explicitly chosen to make his life harder.
We weren't suppose to talk about the screw B_C club. Otherwise everyone would want to get in on the massive profits to be gained from buying PvP IOs for 2bil and then selling them for (2bil - listing fee). -
I don't think the bolded statement is true. There may be some build where that makes sense, but I highly doubt it's "most builds"
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B_C, if you know so much more about the market than the marketeers who have repeatedly explained things to you, if you understand the market so much better than them, why aren't you richer already?
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Quote:The prices will be at 100 when all buyers bid only 100. Try putting things up for sale @ 100 and see if you get 100 or if you get more than that.There has been a near constant refrain of "Buyers set the prices" Okay. Log onto every alt you got, everybody. Bid 100 influence for every PvP I/O. Every buyer is bidding 100 for every PvP I/O. Somebody tell me when the 1st purchase happens and when all the prices are at 100. Thanks.
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Quote:So 'about an hour' is constant effort?I do the 5 tip missions very regularly. It usually takes me about an hour, slightly more.
Are you having fun? If you are having fun, then you're doing it right. If you're not having fun, then you're doing it wrong.
What server do you play on? I play on Freedom. My global is @cossatot. It would be great to have you come along with me sometime. -
Quote:Where would these recipes and enhancements come from? Players? Or from the game?Okay, I said the Devs need to set their own "Buy It Now" recipe prices on te market to forestall market Griefing. My suggested rates are 250 mil for Purps, 500 mil for PvPs.
Quote:This is to basically give a tool to the Devs to geek Farmers and Market Manipulators
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Quote:You mean 2 months of 20 minutes per play session. That's all the longer it takes to do your tips.Or, under the new system, spend about 2 + months constant effort to get that one I/O
Why do you post so much mis-information?
Why is it that you don't see how ill-informed you are?
Why don't you see that your lack of understanding leads you to reach the wrong conclusions?
Quote:For ONE enhancement set, still needing 8-10 more sets for the character to be finished.
You also have no idea how incredibly few builds could possibly use all of the PvP IO sets in any meaningful way.
You ignorance of the market and builds makes you suggestions worthless. As a rule of thumb, one should learn how things work before you try to change them.
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If you would ever try to manipulate the market, you'd realize that it's an exercise in futility.
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And will these recipes come from players or will the game generate them?
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Quote:http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=308So, maybe I missed that post. Could you repost where somebody in this thread gave historical real world data of this price cap situation.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=312
Quote:Beyond that, it seems you missed one post of mine. If the Devs presented a buy it now function in the markets, this would effectively cap all prices on all items SUCCESSFULLY. Cause if you try to sell an enhancer for 2,500,000,000 when your customer can buy the recipe for 500,000,000 you will be standing there a very very long time.
Quote:That is why I keep getting flamed, called ignorant, told off, and suffering the slings and arrows of the malcontents.
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Quote:Which one would you like?So, maybe I missed that post. Could you repost where somebody in this thread gave historical real world data of this price cap situation.
Quote:Beyond that, it seems you missed one post of mine. If the Devs presented a buy it now function in the markets, this would effectively cap all prices on all items SUCCESSFULLY. Cause if you try to sell an enhancer for 2,500,000,000 when your customer can buy the recipe for 500,000,000 you will be standing there a very very long time. That is why I keep getting flamed, called ignorant, told off, and suffering the slings and arrows of the malcontents. It has the possibility of ruining their abuse of the market, making the game more fair, and more fun.
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Quote:It has been demonstrated that you are unfamiliar with how the market works. Given your unfamiliarity, why is it that you think that the people who are familiar with the market are mistaken when it comes to the extreme difficulty if not impossibility to corner a market in this game? Why can't you accept that there are things about the market you don't know and are unfamiliar with? Why can't you accept that some other players understand the market better than you do?This is the first line of defense of any petty criminal, or market mastermind for that matter. "Prove it" part B of this is that they always want you to prove it with a simple one sentence statement, or show a picture of them sticking a knife in someone's back. If you dare to start discussing concepts, exploring ideas, or following threads of logic, the insults only get louder, and the indignant statements flow like water.
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Quote:@ 4000 kils per purp, you're only killing 100 per play session.1) 7 years is a reasonable figure using A merits and casual drops only. 40 days (with no breaks) per Purp.
How long does it take you to garner 100 kills? I am pretty sure I can get more than 10 kills a minute w/ most any lvl 47+ toon I have.
Additionally, you could also and at the same time get 20 AMerits in 40 days while still getting your chances at Purple drops.
And, to beat the dead horse that's obvious, many, many people have pimped out their toons in much less time than 7 years.
Saying it takes 7 years is not realistic.
Quote:2) So, with market prices above 2 bill for some enhancers (as you stated) , you admit that it would take over one year to afford one enhancer.
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How many purples will be coming out of toons and going to market I wonder?
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Also consider that you get a range of levels rather than all mobs being the exact same level
For whatever reasons, lvl 47,48,&49 recipes can sell for significantly less than lvl 50 ones. So, upping the lvl to +1 or +2 can increase your income from non-purple drops. The main question being if the extra time needed to defeat the same number of enemies is worth the extra income. I expect that varies by toon -
Quote:if you add in some reward merits from arcs and SFs you can reduce that significantlyBut, if you were going to do this for purple recipies (30 Hero Merits a Pop), It would take you the better part of a year (300 days) to farm the Merits for a full purple set...ouch
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Correction, I calculated as if there were 5 in a set, should be 360 days...more ouch
you can get about 1.5 AMerits per day iirc.
I think it's the PvP IOs are the ones that are 30 Amerits
I think purple sets are only about 20 Amerits
So it would be closer to 100 AMerits for 5 purps
@ 1.5 /day => about 67 days or so for a set of 5
Also consider that in the course of events, a purple may well drop.