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Quote:I didn't pre-purchase, so didn't read the contents of the store description for the pre-purchase. Did you? CactusBrawler says that he DID.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not really since the devs told us the only thing included in the pre-purchase was early access to Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols. They never said anything else was set in stone for the release of GR.
They even pulled Ultra Mode from GR before it was launched and gave it to us for free early because it was ready.
Funny how they aren't complaining about getting ripped off over Ultra Mode being pulled because it was "advertised" as being a part of GR. -
Quote:I'm starting to have to check your avatar to make sure it's not GG who's posting...Originally Posted by Aneko
None of this has anything to do with CoH: Freedom, of course.
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Quote:Well there ya go. Thank you. THIS gives the pre-purchase people something to work with.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
They didn't say anything about removing alpha until just before open beta, you know quite along time after many people, including myself had already pre-purchased it.
Not pre-ordered it, pre-purchased it, paid for it, bought it from Paragon. At the time of purchase, all information about the product said that Alpha slot was included. -
Quote:I got mine from Best Buy, but I'm not talking about Retail. I'm talking about customers who utilized the Pre-order. They're the only ones who MIGHT have a case, depending on what the NCSoft Store page said about at the time they bought.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I have my boxed edition I got from Gamestop and nothing on it mentions the Alpha Slot or Incarnates.
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Quote:Actually, I think that some people believe that Posi screwed them by announcing something that he didn't follow through on, which people paid for without realizing that he had, for QUALITY reasons, pulled. I ALSO believe that a lot of people are just pissed at themselves for not understanding what they were buying.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You seem to be unable to grasp the concept that the devs aren't the Marketing Department and what they say isn't Marketing.
Furthermore there was no lack of communication on the devs part. You yourself acknowledged that the devs told us they had changed their minds and pulled the first incarnate level before GR launched. So you new it wasn't a part of the paid expansion.
This is nothing more than another example of how some players only pay attention to what they want and dismiss/ignore the rest, then complaining when it bites them in the butt.
Of course, nobody would be complaining if EVERYONE was still having to pay. Oh wait, everyone DOES have to pay if they want their Incarnates.
I liken this whole issue to I6 when City of Villains was introduced. I originally had no intention of EVER being a villain, but as more and more HERO activity involved SG BASE access (that my prestige was BUILDING but I could not get INTO) I eventually bought GvE while feeling disgusted about it. I thought it was a horrible way to do business, and still do, but it is what it is. I dealt. Deal. -
I wish that the GR Pre-Order site was available, cached, or something. I'm interested in seeing what the description was for folks who bought before it was released. If the Store's product description made any reference to Incarnates there MIGHT be an argument. That is what they bought (or didn't buy). When the transaction was complete, THAT part of the deal is done. If it SAID that it included Incarnate content but did NOT then they should have said/done something about it then and there, to include uninstalling it, having the code canceled and requesting a refund. If it did not say anything about Incarnates then it's really a case of Caveat Emptor.
This is, despite what anyone said, all that matters. What was represented when the money actually changed hands? -
Ya know... does anybody really OWN software, anymore. Last I noticed nobody SOLD you anything, only granted you a license to use. IF such is the case, then you/we have no leg to stand on. Licenses granted bestow rights to the Licensee that are entirely at the discretion of the Licensor. Here is an excerpt from the License Agreement (contract) that we all agreed to (signed) upon installation of the software and each time we subsequently run it:
Caps not mine.
12. NCSOFT DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES, LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND RELEASES
(a) ANY SERVICE, CONTENT OR SOFTWARE FROM NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, IS PROVIDED AT YOUR OWN RISK ON AN "AS AVAILABLE," "AS IS" BASIS IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION AND WITHOUT ANY REPRESENTATION, GUARANTEE, OR WARRANTY OF ANY KIND OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO SERVICE, SUPPORT, INDEMNITY, ERROR FREE OR UNINTERRUPTED OPERATION, UPDATES, CORRECTION OF DEFECTS, OR THAT IT IS FREE FROM DEFECTS OR VIRUSES OR HARMFUL COMPONENTS OF ANY FORM WHATSOEVER. ALL SUCH OBLIGATIONS ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED AND YOU HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, AND ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WRITTEN OR ORAL, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, STATUTORY OR BY OPERATION OF LAW, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, QUIET ENJOYMENT, ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS, OPERABILITY, QUALITY OF SERVICE, MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW ALL SUCH DISCLAIMERS OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, SO THEY MAY NOT ALL APPLY TO YOU. BY ENTERING THIS AGREEMENT TO USE NCSOFT SERVICE, CONTENT OR SOFTWARE YOU ACCEPT THE FOREGOING DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES / ALLOCATION OF RISK AND AGREE TO RELEASE NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, AND ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, FROM ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES AND OBLIGATIONS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW. THE FOREGOING ARE ESSENTIAL TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND, IF ANY OF THESE TERMS ARE CONSTRUED AS UNENFORCEABLE, FAIL IN ESSENTIAL PURPOSE, OR BECOME VOID OR DETRIMENTAL TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, AND ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, THEN ANY LICENSE YOU MAY HAVE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT SHALL TERMINATE IMMEDIATELY. MOREOVER, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE FOREGOING SHALL SURVIVE ANY EXPIRATION OR TERMINATION OF ANY LICENSE, AGREEMENT OR USE RELATED TO THE GAME.
This is the most pertinent part, I think:
-IS PROVIDED AT YOUR OWN RISK ON AN "AS AVAILABLE," "AS IS" BASIS IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION AND WITHOUT ANY REPRESENTATION, GUARANTEE, OR WARRANTY OF ANY KIND OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO SERVICE, SUPPORT, INDEMNITY, ERROR FREE OR UNINTERRUPTED OPERATION, UPDATES, CORRECTION OF DEFECTS, OR THAT IT IS FREE FROM DEFECTS OR VIRUSES OR HARMFUL COMPONENTS OF ANY FORM WHATSOEVER.-
Now, I'm no fanboi and I like "stuff" as much as anybody but I can't see where arguing about our "due" is going to get us. We GOT what we were due. We use a piece of software "as available" and "as is". It's what we signed off on, contractually. -
Quote:yay!Originally Posted by emberly
to recap for those who didn't read the whole thread: Incarnate access should be free for all because some fast food restaurants let people on rollerblades use the drive-thru window.
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Quote:Try going through the drive-through of any 24-hour fast-food joint with a tractor/trailer. Yep. Park it. They WILL serve you on foot. Well, maybe not. Insurance is a real issue. Many managers won't want to lose the business, though and most regular hourly employees won't care about insurance if they think it's easier to just serve you rather than argue.Originally Posted by Feycat
Actually, I've gone through the drive-through on rollerblades lots of times.
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Quote:Kinda like getting a super price on a condo IF you buy it pre-construction? LOTS of ways to lose your shirt, that way.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Actually you would keep all the slots you've paid for.
Unlike Alpha slot access, which advertised as part GR but only removed just before the expansion launched, a long time after people had already bought it. -
Quote:So are your posts, yet you keep posting...Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Incarnate access is VIP only - that's not changing, so this thread is totally pointless
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Quote:Works for me.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
That's pretty much what I'd say as well.
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Quote:Incorrect.Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Even a VIP that has not purchased GR does not have access to Incarnate content.
GR is the gateway to Incarnate content which is why you must purchase GR for Incarnate content.
Why people argue otherwise I do know?
GR is no longer even offered by NCSoft. It is part of the VIP Starter Kit.
Sure, you can still buy it from a retailer and receive a free month subscription, but even if you have only the DvD Edition, as soon as you subscribe the patch will give you Going Rogue. -
Quote:Alpha slot access would make me very happy.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The dev's ****** up, what they said would happen didn't. It happens some times, though if enough people point it out then they might give access to the Alpha slot, which was part of GR at least until once again the devs ****** up.
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Quote:You aren't entirely wrong, here. (actually, not wrong at all in many cases)Originally Posted by Basilisk
I just got my second account reactivated. I played it for about a grand total of 10 minutes, then got so bored and frustrated at the lack of options that I've decided I'm hanging it up for good. Its only purpose from here on out will be to fill on TFs and such, because that's really all it's good for.
For a genre of game that relies so heavily on socialization to encourage people to keep playing, it's really a wonder that PS expects premium accounts to be in the least worthwhile, given that they've cut out basically any options for such. After all, why would I bother dropping any money on a sub/Paragon Rewards upgrades if the first time I log in, I can't stroll back into my favourite global channel and say "I'm back!" and be greeted warmly by all the people I left behind?
I expect an awful lot of premium players who decide to return will have the same experience as me.
I logged on to my Premium account last night for the first time in a month, jumped onto my favorite Tank (Electric/Fire) and greeted the SG with a "HIYA! I'm Premium!". The response was "COOL! Whatcha lose? Oh, we're about to start the Signature Arc. Wanna join us?"
I was like: "Okay, sure... Switching accounts..."
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Quote:HOW, exactly, is this patently untrue?Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Player Choices -> Returning Players says:
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Retain nearly everything you already purchased or unlocked, including Super Boosters, expansions, and directly purchased character slots.
Which is patently not true. This needs to be taken out of the official documentation before Freedom goes Live proper. "Everything you already purchased" is just a horrible choice of phrase that ends up being far broader than the deal actually includes, and is just not true. This has to go. Fast. -
Quote:Tell ya what, Red: What have you lost? NOTHING. What have you gained? OPTIONS. Free sucks, right? Here's an idea: Don't play for free.Originally Posted by Red_X2
Yes, but then the game wouldn't be free now would it? My argument still stands. Free accounts suck. You have to pay to get a good product.
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Quote:This is probably the most compelling and easy to understand argument. For people who yell about having paid for Going Rogue, whether or NOT Incarnates were included in it, when you bought GR you expected to have to pay for everything in it, each month, for as long as you wanted to play. Nobody deceived anyone.Originally Posted by Sermon
Is it fair that players who bought Going Rogue don't have access to the incarnate system without paying a sub? Yes (since they bought GR expecting that they would have to have a sub to maintain access to its content)
One of my accounts just went Premium. Do I WISH that my heavily Incarnated toons were still Incarnates? Certainly. Am I surprised that they are not? Absolutely not. Am I complaining about it? No way. -
What makes you think that this is not already the case?
*whisper* Doctor Aeon introduced AE as a method of propogating MARTy so that the huddling masses would not become a threat to his plans. MARTy has finally gone active after nobody would expect AE of being used in such a plot.
Actually, Positron expressed his hesitation at having all of Paragon's heroes' detailed information available to AE, since it was designed by Aeon and funded by Crey. (hmmm)
But then he changed his tune, saying that he thought the benefits would outweigh the risks...
Did Aeon replace Posi with a clone? ... -
I thought they JUST UPGRADED the hardware. No? Then what were they doing while they said they were?
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You have difficulty a setting to make the game MORE challenging for YOU! People need to stop acting like if someone isn't as L337 as they are then you should lrn2ply and stop crying about the game being too hard.
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Quote:Brilliant!Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Is it wrong that I read that post in a Farnsworth voice?
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On a server where many toons are all competing for the same spawns, a higher respawn rate may be appropriate. The new "spawn on top of you" code? No likey.
My new Grav/Time Troller was very nearly overwhelmed by Skulls in this manner. -
Quote:We are all different. If seebs feels that autism interferes with the ability to enjoy a team environment, then in this case, it does.Originally Posted by gameboy1234
We're going to have to disagree there.
Autism has nothing to do with it. I teamed with random people on the global channel BMT of Champion. One, MechaCrash, I've teamed with once before when he helped with the then new Tip missions about a year ago. The other I'm really embarrassed to admit that I've forgot their global already. Neither one could be properly termed a friend, although both were good players and nice Joes.
Just ask, or watch the chatter (MechaCrash was the one advertising for one other person to team with) and it's easy.