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for other PvE like LRSF...

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What?

I honestly don't want to believe for a minute that the Devs intentionally Gimp villains on every decision that concerns them, but plz tell me how this possibly makes ANY sense:
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Hmm, Our 'Redside' doesnt' retain enough players. I know, Let's give them a bunch more powersets that won't make them anymore powerful in any conceivable fashion! ...And while we're at it, we'll give Blasters MOTHER [censored] /GODMODE! YEAH!!"
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It's really simple:
Powercreep for a Faction which is behind another faction by-design would be a GOOD Thing.
Powercreep for the first Faction when it totally dominates the second already, is a BAD THING.
And it doesn't take a microscope to see which of those is going on here...
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If a buncha Hero-Only gamers are just flat-out Horrible players (and a lot of them ARE), then using global Datamining to drive these decisions makes even less sense than blindly throwing darts at a corkboard!

SO MAD @ U RITE NAO!

Good point... *goes to camp out Cloe's door for the next 3 decades*
"Awwwwriiight!" </quagmire>

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sadly, this thread is a waste of time.

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We have redname attention already. If you think it's a waste of time - go. We won't miss you.

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DualBlades for Stalkers had 2 or 3 redname's 'attentions' in Beta.
I'm not saying this IS pointless, I'm just pointing out that any Time-Frame for fixes, puts those fixes so far into the Future as to be Chronologically Pointless.

An_forum_Analogy might be: "what if i got 2 bang Kathy Ireland 30 years from now?"
-- it's takes pure win, but corrupts it by adding 2much Blue-Book Devalue (and Wrinkles!).
...but I won't go there cuz I know it makes B.a.B.y Jebus cry.

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My creative take on Scorpion would be Offensive Piercing, and poison, and Utility stealth, but that is me looking at a Scorpions

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You're Doing it Wrong
Castle sez too much Toxic iz bad 4 teh game.
...unless it's a SuperArachnoid (atleast 50% Toxic damage /w BIG hits) paired with another boss that Buffs that SuperArachnioid in a defeat-all mission in the "water room". Oh, and the other Boss haz Bull_Shyft so he'll just phase @ will if U try to kil him 1st. I got that ruuvvry mission rast night and went through atleast 3 uses of Liquefy. LIQUEFY, a power I only have down to a 180 sec RCH. What a rediculously drawn out fight, only b/c there's NO WAY to reliably get Toxic Resistance either. It might as well have been an AV fight at that point ....Oh, did I mention it was TIMED TOO and failing it would totally suck b/c it wuz part of Efficiency Expert?

...hmm, what was i talkin about again??

Wooooo....City of Spreadsheets

I'm only being half-sarcastic, b/c there really is a disturbing number of people that this appeals to.
...And also b/c alt-tabbing out to C.o.data is a real PitA for a game that uses as many resources as this one, and I already play it in windowed mode! (hey maybe they can do something about that next? ...a little RAM optimization never hurt anyone except for the guys who make their money selling RAM)

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I know right? No matter how much you do for PvPers (lol?) they still complain. The devs should [u]just not devote any time to pvp[u] or consider it when they make changes to the game

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*WRRRRRYYYYYY*
EPIC levels of IRONY detected in the vicinity of Nive
*WRRRRRYYYYYY*

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Wow! Check dates folks and then figure out if implementation is possible.

Over reaction and burning all your resource bridges FTW!

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Overreaction?

Ex, its quite apparent that the Devs did not consider PvP at all when the powerset Proliferation came out.
Forgive us for pointing out the obvious.

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I'm thinking it's the other way around when I look at some of these sets being ported... See, there's a REASON that everyone just PL's their Psy-Blast Defenders...Heavy Psi Resist Mobs that dominate entire level ranges: levels 3-20: Vahzilok -- levels 20-29: BanishedPantheon ...levels 25-35: tons of Council arcs with Robots. Levels 41+: Almost half of all Praetorian mobs. ...None of this crap is a problem for Villains. ...but for Blasters, it's like shoving a square peg in a round hole just to mess with PvP. Meanwhile on Villains, NRG damage is much more commonly resisted in the PvE game and what blast set did they give us more of? ...yeah, Electric = NRG.

Let's face it... PvP changes haven't been a featured addition since Bases and IOP were Announced. The only way this situation is ever going to get fixed is by making it center stage gain. ...hearing more of the honesty we heard last night. More dialog between the Devs and the players who are interested in PvP... casual PvP'ers as well. Waiting and waiting and waiting is not improving this situation when some the biggest and most loudly-announced features this week hurt PvP more than they helps it and bring no real benefits to PvE either. It lacks professionalism and I know this studio can do better (even if its marketing Dept seems like a lost cause)

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How is opening up new sets "going backwards"? I guess some in the small minority PvP community perhaps might think that way (surprise 95% of the whines here are about PvP). PvP'ers are usually the only ones that complain about others getting improvements to their characters I've noticed (really focused for me when people actually complained about ring of fire getting -fly). Which is part of why I hate PvP, but for PvE, more choices can not=going backward.

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Only a small percentage of players actually come to the boards and post. The "whining" pvp'ers here who may scream doom and cry foul are not necessarily wholly representative of the pvp community in game. No more than the pve players who do the same thing.

There are plenty of players (like me) who engage in pvp casually. Should people be flipping out before anything's been tested? Of course not. Attacking the developers is never acceptable. Accusing them of hating villains or pvp'ers or stalkers is silly. But expressing legitimate concern over how these power ports will affect one area of the game isn't "whining."

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As much as I might PvP, I still spend nearly all of my time in PvE, and my comments would be no less valid solely on either basis. If I see the Devs making poor decisions that mirror in exact detail other decisions they've made in the past, I'm going to point it out. Adding more sets in itself isn't the problem here, it's the haphazard way they're going about doing it and then defaulting to the "wait till Beta Testing" excuse. After this point here, it's already too late.

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Which Villain ATs should get Devices ported over as is with no changes?

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Stalkers (well... Cloaking device replaced with Practiced Brawler for obvious reasons)

Just trust me on this one... I've spent well over 200 hours PvP'ing on a Traps Corruptor and it's basically just a really weak "Devices stalker" with 1 really powerful PbAoE based effect that might as well be an assassin's strike once it takes effect...

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... before you go off the deep end, thanks!

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Excuse me?

I'll say this as Discretely as I possibly Can:
You guys are looking like a bunch of Amateurs right now. There were plenty of other Sets way ahead on everyone's wishlists (both PVE and PvP communities) that could have been 'ported' instead that would have made more sense while also involving less Tweaking and bug-fixing.

There's been so many controversial Changes by this team over the years that I fully supported despite so much of the whining from FotM'ers and PL'ers on these boards... The G.D.N, E.D., Controller/Pet nerfs, even "Inventions"(loot). I supported all of those things b/c I knew ahead of time they would make this game more diverse and add more "character" to the metagame.

But this "Brainstorm" being announced today is just plain unprofessional in the choices that were made.

/psypu.... <check back Friday for more details on the thrilling conclusion to this post>

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That's NcSoft's version of a Duck-Roll.

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lulz
bajillion
marketting

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I really hope this is not all the info we are getting today.

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As I stated in an earlier thread, we are still weeks out from closed beta and more weeks out from open beta and then launch. So, expect to get something on a weekly basis from now till then. If we just dumped it all out now, well we'd be sitting around going "that's nice, but when can I play it?" So, thanks for your patience and understanding that it won't all come at once.

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Well, it's disappointing b/c it doesn't actually tell us anything new about the CoV content that's always been in shorter supply to blueside. Just giving us one more "proliferation" tidbit would have been real news. Or how bout some more vague clues about a VEAT? A 'tidbit' about a zone that most ppl avoid now and only spans 5-10 levels on only one faction was hardly anything to get our hopes up about. (no offense to Warwitch, she rocks). It's just too limited in scope to be real news.


Now I'm definitely going to have idle hands for the rest of the week.... *doo Doot DOOO*

...Mynx?

*Insta-Stalks* >.>

Wut?

Chat improvement huh? HOW BOUT MORE THAN FIVE CHANNELS PLZ.... sheesh...

Good FAQ!
Not as technical about the Spreadsheet data as some of us would like, but still an Exemplary Cup of S.T.H.U. for us to serve to these newbs who all think powers can be changed with the wave of a magic wand

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Either the buffs are overpowered to be practically on all the time for a back row character, or they arent overpowered to be on all the time for a front row character.

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Actually if I had to guess the "exploitable" nature Castle is talking about is the fact that these buffs are apparently team oriented. An unkillable team buff would be pretty powerful, obviously too powerful as far as the Devs are concerned. It'd almost be like a Vet based variant of a zero END cost Leadership pool power.

Once again balance is key.
My bet is if they made these pets unkillable they'd make the buffs NON-team oriented at the very least.

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LoL wut?

Lookin at the numbers so far, 5 of these things stacked together wouldn't even measure up to the Protection/REC that 1 layer of Rad-Infect & Accel-Metab provides. For soloers (especially Melees), they won't even be Worth summoning. The most "Use" anyone will get out of these weak buggers is for putting their floaty E-Dilz on display in Atlas Park.

In real PvE (and PvP especially)...these things are ANYTHING but a "combat pet".
And "organized Teams" would get BETTER bonuses by just taking Manuevers+CJ.

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If you believe we are blind to concerns or input about current TF/SF/Trial content I can assure you we are not. However, I would pose the argument of opportunity cost. In some cases, depending on the scope, you could get a whole new TF out of revamping an old one. So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?

As we continue to ramp things up, we will better be in the position where we can just do both. We appreciate your continued support and patronage to get us there.

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Just a Hypothetical here...just to be Mentally-Noted, not necessarily Responded to... but Can NcSoft itself through you it's Spokesman, ensure that this won't simply become a closed 'Technical' Issue as soon as this "compramise" patch inevitably goes Live just like the previous one did? We know you value feedback b/c it's your Job to, but the guy who really has to give a few inches here is Positron b/c at the heart of this is the REWARD. If this issue gets closed after this, then ALL the IO rewards are set to suffer for it in the future and the market becomes and even worse "CessPool" of price gouging, Flipping-PvP, and disparity.


As for the TF Missions... I don't think anyone expects a complete Overhaul. Cutting the actual Size of most of the 'in-between' maps in HALF would be a huge improvement though, especially all these dull BORING defeat-alls that look exactly like every other map in the game. If they're too short after that then make every named boss at the end of it an EB or even a Pair of EB's to spice it up. Either way you slice it, a LOT of these TF's just have boring [censored] Laboratories, Caves, and Warehouses that are simply too Large for a casual team and often have them spending 30-60 minutes per map clearing. Get the Worldbuilders to just Cut out whole sections of all the boring Maps until they take 15-20 mins tops.

+Acceptable solution to Softloading.
-Still an Incomplete solution to the REASON that softloading had to be widely exploited.

Positron needs to make some REAL movement on this, there's been lots of ideas:<ul type="square">[*]this "fix" punishes Villains more than Heroes... Merge the markets already![*]Remove all Mezzes/Snipes from Pool-C, it's a Crap-Lottery right now[*]Just Weight the drops to make Snipes/Mezzes drop a lot less often.[*]Allow players to pick recipe-type by categories similar to SO selection.[/list]

i freakin lol'd

As if people farmin' these things wouldn't just Dual-Box their way through it anyway?
Hell... 3 of the 4 guys I do it with can solo 8-man spawns @ level 20. I can solo 4-man spawns.
Until Posi fixes Pool-C itself, this is only going to get exploited harder and harder.

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I'd love to see a dev response...sooner rather than later. IMO, there's only one accpetable response from him and it is:

"Sorry about the patch notes, we are rolling this change back to actually TEST it on the Test Server."

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Oh... I disagree on both accounts

For Starters, he could also write something like this: === "Our full plan is to address some of the Disparity in the Drop-Pools and this change is part of a broader strategy to discourage the farming of those pools. TF &amp; SF Rewards should better reflect actual Demand in a later Patch".

But he won't b/c he likes keeping Huge timesinks around.
IE: We don't want his honest response, we only want the caving-In response we'd like to hear instead

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I believe we have one of the most experienced, creative, and impassioned development teams in the industry working diligently to take your game experience to places you've been wanting to go, but thought not possible.

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Its too bad we don't have the most COMMUNICATIVE dev team. ::still waiting for response from a dev in the TF/SF thread over there ----&gt;::

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Castle, BaB, and LH are very consistent about addressing issues that are actually their Departments.
...Reward changes however and Quality Assurance... I think we all know who's department that is, and that he won't discuss the big issues with us b/c we all con "Grey 2 him"