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Quote:Actually, here is a different way of looking at it:Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Although i *did* pay for Controllers and Masterminds
Via the City of Heroes boxset and the City of Villains boxset..
Of course now they are pretty much redundant as they have been superceeded by the Going Rogue Complete edition
People have been citing the requirement of a subscription along with GR. Maybe just not in a way that would seep into my aged mind:
In actuality (I believe THIS to the be case) the very term BUY has been misused by nearly everybody, including the Devs. We NEVER DID buy CoH, CoV, GvE, GR, or even any of the items in the microtransactions such as booster packs, character slots, etc. What we paid for in ALL of these cases, until FREEDOM was the right to RENT these things (with our subscriptions).
So it is all moot. IF we continue to pay rent for these items then we can still use them freely, within the TOS. If we do NOT continue to rent them then we have no continued rights to use them.
So, I now feel that even IF clear proof is provided that Incarnates were included in some people's GR then all that it shows is that they had the right to RENT access to Incarnates as far back as GR.
Everybody still has the right to rent them. Remember: Not a single one of us OWNS anything in the game except a license to use at the discretion of NCSoft. -
Quote:I'll have some pie, but you can keep your punch. Looks like it would hurt. ;DOriginally Posted by Mr. DJ
I concede that we all should have cake, pie, cookies and punch for our grief.
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Quote:No, they'll just tell you that you got Controllers and Masterminds for FREE. You didn't pay for them. :\Originally Posted by Father Xmas
The whole you bought it you keep it quote is going to haunt the devs for a long time. It's ED after the GDN all over again.
A better argument is I bought GvE but Controllers and Mastermind ATs are locked as well as the EATs. So right there that statement is false.
Now do I blame a single comment from one developer who may not have known exactly what was going to be unlocked by purchase or was it a statement about boosters and packs? Or did nobody there actually thought of the Incarnate system as an integrated part of GR but as a entirely separate major feature that came later. -
Quote:Site is down. Surprise.Originally Posted by Jagged
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Quote:This is true.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Except people GOT refunds when Alpha slot was removed from the deal. It can be very safely assumed that those who did not ask for a refund were comfortable with what they paid for as part of the deal.
If you did not ask for a refund at the time, you don't have a leg to stand on. By not asking for a refund (which you would have gotten), you were implicitly saying "I am comfortable with paying for this content without the Alpha slot."
You can't sit there and complain because something you could have been refunded for a year ago is not now free.
Well, that's not entirely true. You can complain all you want. It just makes you look like a jacktard though. -
Quote:And that's all I've been doing, besides saying that evidence from other sources doesn't go any further toward DISproving it than OTHER sources go toward PROVING it. Like I've said so many times, if they have a receipt, that's proof. EVERYTHING else is nonproductive hearsay.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And no one has brought forth a valid receipt for their purchase that shows that they've:
A) Bought it.
B) That it includes the Incarnate System.
Until such a time that ANYONE, and I do mean anyone, can provide a valid receipt that shows they bought access to the Incarnate System, they have NO BASIS FOR MAKING THAT CLAIM. If they TRY to make that claim, then they are wrong and are trying to get something for nothing because everything found says they could not possibly have bought the pre-sale GR with a statement that it included the Incarnate System.
No one here has to DISPROVE a claim that someone bought the Incarnate System with the pre-sale of Going Rogue. The person making that claim has to prove they did.
That you insist on asking for proof the pre-sales page didn't have the Incarnate System on it is completely irrational and pointless. You should be demanding people making the claim show you a receipt where the Incarnate System was included. If they can't provide that, then don't listen to them. -
Quote:Correct. They need the actual purchase screen or a printed receipt that says it is included.Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Where show us the ad offering incarnates as part of Going Rogue?
The pax comments by Positron are not an ad. And as with anything a dev says while something is in development it can change or be removed right up until the thing is released. So it can't count as an advertised promise. -
Quote:WHY DO YOU KEEP DEMANDING THAT I PROVE ANYTHING?Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Why don't they have to prove that, against all documentation, they are owed something?
Why don't they have to prove that they got a notice that they were buying a preview of the Incarnate System before it was announced? The announcement of Going Rogue Pre-Orders dated back to Feb 18th, 2010. Pre-Orders went on sale the first week in March 2010. It wasn't until March 26 to March 28, 2010 with PAX East that the Incarnate System was announced. Logic dictates that any pre-sales before PAX East did not include any mention of the Incarnate System.
Even if it DID include mention of the Incarnate System, it would have said it was a preview. So a demo. The limited demo was removed from Issue 18 during beta. It was added to beta in around the beginning of June 2010 and removed in July 2010.
The EULA clearly states the game is subject to change.
So anyone saying that the Incarnate System was included in Going Rogue needs to show proof that:- The Incarnate System was a part of the pre-sales before it was officially announced.
- The Incarnate System was not a feature that was tested and subsequently removed during Issue 18/GR beta.
You can't waltz in here and say that someone making an outrageous claim shouldn't have to back up their claims. Of course they do. I could claim that I am the current President of the United States, despite the fact that I'm a white guy from Canada. A lot of people wouldn't take me seriously if I did though. Even the people that did take me seriously would demand proof (and rightfully so).
So where is your proof that the Incarnate System was put into the pre-sales package a month before it was announced at PAX East?
They don't have to disprove ANY of your documents if they have a RECEIPT FOR THEIR PURCHASE that shows that they bought it. -
Quote:No, they don't. If even one of them finds a receipt or page printout from the purchase screen that says a word about Incarnates then it is proven. Regardless of what any other source says.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
5) Given that they can't prove their claim, they are lying.
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6) You don't have to prove that, at the point of purchase, Incarnates were mentioned. The person making the claim has to prove that all the other documentation that can be found is false. -
Quote:WordOriginally Posted by StarGeek
Inspirations drop like candy from a pinata. Use them, always. If you have ones that you can't use, convert them, use them to make space, or just delete them.
If you die while I'm teamed with you and I can't drop a wakie on you because your inspiration tray is full, you're going to get a well deserved HA HA. -
SS/FA will be the lesser of the two for the other role to which you aspire. But it hugely beats SS/SD on ambush farms.
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Quote:REALLY? Is that why every post has a different "Re:" than it did this afternoon? Whoa!Originally Posted by Golden Girl
This thread seems to have had a name change
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Quote:I don't understand how YOU think it works.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I don't think you get how the Alpha slot works.
After running Remiel's arc you could slot the Alpha all the way to tier 4 purely through random Shard drops and the Notice of the Well from the Weekly Strike Target. Indeed, I DID on at least 6 of my toons. -
Quote:Like it.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
For the record I'd be fine with an Incarnate License ONLY for Premiums, NOT free players, or allowing premiums to play with the alpha slot. Not trials though.
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Quote:YesOriginally Posted by Undead_Bubble
give 'em the Alpha without being able to iTrial. It allows you to slot it up, but at a horribly slow pace through weeklies and randomly dropped shards. Which is devilish, but a carrot to dangle non-the-less
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Quote:I don't understand.Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Not remotely. You're forgetting that a sub does come with a monthly stipend. Eventually you could buy the incarnate content with that stipend.
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Quote:This is also assuming CoX is a "game in a bottle". If nothing new is ever developed for it then yes, subscribing would be pointless. If on the other hand, new content is developed and Premiums never got access to it, then there would still be a nice incentive.Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Fix'd that for you.
Current subscribers would have little to no reason to continue subscribing if the incarnate content was not behind a subscription wall. -
Quote:Note that quickfire isn't doing low-level content. Seems like he doesn't even know that it exists, judging by his list. (No offense, quickfire)Originally Posted by Razia
Wow quickfire you're the only person I ever heard to say that travel is a timesink in this game. Made my laugh... sorry no offense.
Travel isn't so bad now. Back in the day... blah, blah, blah.
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Quote:Yes, please?Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
It was a topic that literally came up in the S&I forum every month or two. In fact, I think I also posted the idea when I first started because I wanted the angel wings for a character. I'm glad they finally implemented it, and I think it's a good system. The only change I would like to see is the ability to skip some options completely. Like if tier 5 has 6 different options, you only had to pick 4 of them before being able to choose from tier 6.
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Quote:Doesn't sound to me like its overboard, much at all.Originally Posted by ItsJustJake
I find it particularly hilarious when people like you go so overboard when describing people disagreeing with you.
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Quote:So it was perfectly okay for them to overreact and throw hissy-fits over a suggestion? Doesn't sound much like "mature adults". Nope.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
1. The devs got rid of the old system entirely.
2. They let players keep everything they earned under the old system and gave them new stuff for free under the new system.
3. Maybe the players that supposedly "pounced" on you and "flamed" you are mature adults that don't feel the need to overreact and throw hissy-fits when the devs redesign the game. -
Quote:WOW! I didn't notice that, myself until you said that. hehOriginally Posted by MaestroMavius
Yeah, if you've spent anytime at other MMO forums I believe you'll have thick enough skin to deal with the few... less reputable... posters among us.
Though, I would avoid the suggestions section. It's a minefield.
As far as her (I think Aquilla is a she) Sig goes, that appears to be a quote from Psychoti from years ago, I just noticed your name capitalized in it and did a double take. :P
No, Bags, I wasn't telling you to stay away.
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Thank you, THANK YOU!
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First piece of advice that I would give is to lurk here and never post.
Now, let me be clear: This is NOT against YOU. You are better off reading what people have to say and drawing your own conclusions. Use the search feature (as borked as it is), do specific searches on Google, etc. but never open the door to the Forum Trolls. There are some really great people here, but the ***-hats will drive you crazy. Unless, of course, you are already there...
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For the hoards of TL/DR people:
Quote:See what I was doing there? Expressing my curiosity. Asking a question. Not claiming or proving JACK.Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
I wish that the GR Pre-Order site was available, cached, or something. I'm interested in seeing what the description was for folks who bought before it was released. If the Store's product description made any reference to Incarnates there MIGHT be an argument. That is what they bought (or didn't buy). When the transaction was complete, THAT part of the deal is done. If it SAID that it included Incarnate content but did NOT then they should have said/done something about it then and there, to include uninstalling it, having the code canceled and requesting a refund. If it did not say anything about Incarnates then it's really a case of Caveat Emptor.
This is, despite what anyone said, all that matters. What was represented when the money actually changed hands?