Yogi_Bare

"The Big O"?

If you followed my original entry into this discussion, I made the same point and provided a bullet-list of supporting data.

And yes, being that someone made an attempt to shred the entire list down to counter that point (as well as points brought up by other people earlier in the thread), that argument was indeed being made [more precisely, the polar opposite to that argument was being made].

I reiterated the point in my followup statement and alluded that, despite what his detractors were saying, the OP may have had a valid basis for his views.

And that's when a bunch of folks started creating WMDs to counter that same point. So, yes, they were providing support to that argument (or trolling; take your pick).

Oh, awesome, more purposefully comprehension-twist snark. No better way to prove a point than intentionally and consistently being off the mark and passing it off as a parallel to the opposing view.

But back to the reality of what the original point was. There's been a lot of throwback to Swords and Sorcery styled themes, characters, story-lines, events, costumes, critters, accessories, names, places and lore; concentrated from the latter part of 2010 until now. Some of it has merely been a nod, some; a direct port from S&S fantasy themes and lore. It's practically irrelevant, from the view of the OP, what re-inventions may have occurred to make those themes fit into the one presented by CoX. It's still a bunch of witches, warlocks, wizards, amazons, demons, gorgons, harpies, deistic, barbarians, netherworld, mystic realm ghost stuff that has been getting a lot of focus; to him (or her); especially being that they seemed to be fed up/burnt out on anything pertaining to that genre (or that other game).

To say there hasn't been is just being dishonest.

And to reiterate, so the clown crew doesn't get things lost in a chorus of bicycle horns and seltzer bottles:

Although there has been a fair concentration recently, I don't see the ratio being weighted towards the S&S themes. (Although it may appear that way depending on the level range and factions being played.)

I've already stated that the perception may have been compounded by older recurrent material (Seasonal events) being concentrated within a six month span and overlapping with the first SSA (which is heavily magic themed and spread out over a similar length of time) and the Dark Astoria release.

I'm not against the amount of S&S or pantheistic fantasy that's present here. It's bound to happen in our genre of catch-all, here at CoX. (Its almost like playing Rifts)

'Historical' (albeit, esoteric) origin of fictional characters. I thought it was fairly obvious. :/


It does have to do with what's in a name, coincidentally. Specifically the El suffix attached to Superman's (and his father's) real name.

El, as a name suffix, denotes Elohim (ie, Rapha El, Mich[a] El, Azra El, etc); a sub-set of the angelic order. Angels being the 'super-powered' guardians of mankind.

(the reference also has the whole "sent his only begotten son" angle to it)

Has nothing to do with what CoX origin Batman is or how the fictional denizens of his backdrop view him (as I didn't allude or imply to either when I made my comparison).

Never said that the comic-verse wasn't filled with parallels, references, nuances or influences to go right along with subjects directly immersed in fantasy/magic themes.

The existence of the latter doesn't invalidate the former.

(and I am broadening up a bit on the OPs 'magic' quote because of his other quote; a direct reference to the game that shall not be mentioned (which, although having magical elements to it, is not altogether a 'magic' game)) [which is the frame of reference that I am positioning from].


As far as me drawing the line with the female warrior comparison; that distinction was created long before I came along. Most people wouldn't walk into Whatever-con, see a group of women in medieval war gear, and assume sci-fi, steam-punk or even horror; they'd assume fantasy. And would make that assumption without all the caveats being brought up here.

What does any of that have to do with my point about Superman?

It's irrelevant that this specific game setting allows for costumes and powers to be labeled as anything outside of the fantasy realm; it still doesn't change what those type of things invoke to someone that isn't acclimated to CoX (...at all, as much as long standing players here or as much as they are to a different game (or other) experience).

As much as you want to invalidate the OP's perception; the only thing you're succeeding in is showing that it absolutely has to be as you ascribe it.

Anywhoo, I'm not taking sides in this... just showing that there is a concentration of what can be perceived as fantasy-themes recently.

From the MMORPG site: Scourge vs Fury for AoE heavy toons (opinions)?

Although I don't have a Plant/Dark at 50 yet... I do have a Plant/Storm (and a Fire/Storm):

Storm is the one you want if you like dishing out damage and its great in solo play (IMO... 35 is the 'big ding'; Tornado (DoT nuke) - lvl 36 for slotting). Combo is just a tad shy of being an AoE deity.

(Great for UG, BAF, DD, Lambda courtyard (all of Lambda once you're level shifted))


Dark, like almost all the other secondaries, is slower on the uptake (soloing), IMO. But its just better for team survival; Incarnate or otherwise. It's almost like having Barrier, Rebirth and half of Ageless at a smaller scale (you could almost consider Fluffy a T2 Lore Support Pet, lol).

(Comes in handy for Lamda temp grabbing, reactor phases of Keyes and the TPN)

I'll just say that for controllers and MMs*; Affinity would be the better choice. For Defenders and Corrs... would depend on the preferred pairings and playstyles.

For team play; I would rather have the SA/Fade combo than the FS/PG combo; especially in a buff/debuff role. (*MMs being a team in its own scale). - Part of that being, outside of the debuff, teams generally nullify the fear component.

I think the hingepoint isn't so much FS as it is Gaze; replace it with either power from Affinity and Miasma becomes better. But you try using Gaze to replace SA or Fade and it weakens Affinity.

I have 2 /Storm Controllers; one being a Plant. It took some time for Storm to be where I wanted it to be (Tornado and Lightning Storm) and was relying heavily on my Primaries to get me by until then. I'm already into the meat-and-potatoes of DA by 28; I'm just trying to afford the slotting that would really make the combo.

Seed damage will be curtailed by all of the -ToHit floating around (Darkest Night should be a preview) but the silver lining is that you will lose less XP from using it and it just adds to the sheer control of it all.

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IMO, I think that Affinity edges out Miasma; it has everything that makes Miasma great (except FS) and adds a team Def/Res buff and a team Regen/Recov buff. (I wonder if it affects league-mates as well?)

Just a build that I can modify as appropriate... by no means a 'bible' for what anyone else may or may not want in theirs.

The same price you would charge for access to the MM or Controller ATs as a normalized cost (EAT prices if you're just talking about a new 'EAT'). For initial release though, maybe a bit more (1800)(1200 for EATs).

VIPs should get them at a deep discount or as part of their subscription.

The Ancillary/Epic Pools do cover this to a very limited extent but it wouldn't be the same as having access to a full second set of attacks, buffs or armors. (I wouldn't have the 3rd set be outside the parameters of the primary/secondary (ex. Blasters would get access to another Primary or Secondary (sans additional BUs) set but not an Armor, Buff or Pet set))

We wouldn't be creating new sets from scratch; we'd just provide the majority portion of an existing Primary or Secondary from within their AT for them to choose powers from. I would say with no additional slotting until they can work out whatever issue(s) it was that kept them from doing so for the Freedom release.


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Expanding existing Primaries/Secondaries by a power or two would give more options; akin to what Khelds/SoAs have now. Sometimes, its the availability of the powers within the set that could provide enough of a role shift to where an entire AT overhaul might not be necessary.