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Quote:So all those Longbow corpses lying in charred, plasma burnt heaps are just a figment of my imagination? Damn. Talk about ghost in the machine...Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
What's all this talk about a Player-created "nemesis system" when the problem posited by the OP is "WHY ARE HEROES AND VILLAINS GETTING ALONG SO WELL? Or at all, rather?"
Sam, please, forget your rabid anti-PvP stance just long enough to answer that question. Because right now the game has pretty much devolved into "Go-Carting With Bowser" and you can't tell me that's 100% satisfactory in a genre that relies on Good guys beating up Bad guys!
Oh, and a Player-created nemesis system is MUCH preferable to 'let the random generator make Captain Pantsonhead for you'. I'd like to be able to occasionally create a character for my Heroes/Villains to fight. Not all of them would have them, but I can think of a few that would. Which would be pretty cool. But letting the computer random gen one for me? Hell no. Not cool. -
Even the cake is not a lie?
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Quote:Sure. I can test everything except the Incarnate Slot, which is a pretty freaking big chunk of testing.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
That doesn't keep you from testing. It certainly limits the rate at which you can test and makes things more of a headache for you (which is, truly, very unfortunate), but it in no way blocks you from doing so.
I understand what you're saying, though. If I couldn't bring over my level 50 characters, I wouldn't particularly want to spend the time and effort of getting a new one up there on the test server, where he/she could be deleted or locked away behind another closed beta without any notice.
My only 50s on test (two) were there for GR Beta, and so had been 'infected' with the old Alpha slot, even though one of them didnt have it I STILL couldnt get Ramiel to talk to him.
And transfer is broken. So im stuffed there.
So, yes, it very much DOES block me from doing so.
So I'm waiting for the damn thing to go live.
Oh, and Championess, if your SO convinced we're all wrong, your right, and you hate the game/devs/whatever then...why are you still here? -
Quote:I just fail to see why there has to be some connection to the Well. It sounds hamfistedly horrible right now, without any further knowledge (that I'll find out when I19 goes live)Originally Posted by Ammon
The Well does exist, and in the reality in which any character in the CoX universe exists, all around them are going to be people using it. Just like I was saying earlier about the adoption of the Internet.
I'm not quite sure why so many of you have characters that when the Internet was made available to all would refuse to use it and then seek to invent some other weird path to being able to look up information and send emails. Performing long-mind-melds because they are a naturalist who dislike's technology perhaps, or using arcane scrying spells and crystal balls to get the exact same effect as browsing the internet (including misinformation) without having to use that nasty technology stuff.
Just seems a bit ... unnecessary and weird.
What I'm saying is that we are playing characters in a world with certain realities in the daily lives of our characters. That magic exists and is potent is so blatantly obvious that it can't have been ignored. It is as much a fact of life as the existence Satelite Television is to us. Why then are your character not equally accepting and blase about it?
Teleporters completely disassemble your body, turn it into some kind of broadcastable EMR, zap it off around the universe, and completely reassemble it, all in an instant... but your characters worry about touching magic?
You may be called upon to battle the Rikti, Behemoth Overlords, Adamastor, and eventually Rularu, but you have trouble accepting greater otherworldly entities?
Its just ... odd.
Now, if you were the player of a tech-based villain, saying that you refuse to accept the Well as some mythic magical god, but instead, you believe it to be some connection to your own far-future god-like self, Where your technology has become so advanced that you are indeed god-like, well now, that fits, works and is a pretty neat and tidy explanation.
Basically, anyone saying 'Your character is empowered by the Well of Furies one way or another, with or without them knowing' is basically railroading my character(s) and, on basic principle, can simply go to hell. I am the only person writing for my characters. No one else. It's a matter of principle. In the same way that "Ahaha my mad sciences has madez power proliferation, lololoz!!1" can also go die in a hole somewhere. I refuse to accept that bull as canon, because it's so utterly herp da derpingly terribad.
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Quote:Because last time I checked, *I* was the one paying my damn sub, not anyone else.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Just a question, which will probably not come out right, but I'll ask it any way.
If the devs say these slots work this way, what gives you the right to break canon and be a special snow flake and say 'actually mine work this way!' ?
I'm not being told 'Actually, your character works this way, because we say so.' By anyone. They can go right to hell. End of. -
Quote:I haven't actually seen AE broadcast or anything...like...at all? For months now. Maybe it's due to the channels I'm (not) in but...meh. *shrug*Originally Posted by HardRider
EU> Union is fine for us. those who shout out 90%-95% of the time is for AE arc missions, those who manage to farm keep to themselves or go with fellow people who know about it.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Robots are not the same as living creatures
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Quote:Ahh. I now understand and fully sympathise.Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Allow me to clarify:
The SG leader and his base buddies are a parody of a certain Virtue VG I know. They spend 90% of their time roleplaying in their base, and when asked to come out and run some RP team missions they respond with either "We're in a RP meeting" or "We'll just use the AE if we want to play the game."
Not kidding. When I say 'not play the game' I literally mean that; they do not want to do missions in zones such as Grandville, Oakes, etc. That's a big letdown, if you ask me.
Yeah...we have meeting days and mucking about in base kinda RP...
And then we go curbstroller (the offspring combination of curbstomp and steamroller all in one painful bundle of fun :3 ) enemies into fine paste in IC missioning. Tis fun
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Quote:Sure.Originally Posted by BrandX
*survives and hits Reconstruction*
Silly. Willpower is the best.
\o/
Only your obviously not using it.
Because Willpower doenst HAVE Reconstruction, which is a Regeneration power.
So, your dead either way
Oh, and for everyone getting rather stupid about the whole robot earth thing, heres Alphas Union Handbook page. Knock yerselves Out. -
Quote:Again, until I see the in-game lore and missions and such, I'm not passing judgement.Originally Posted by Dante
IIRC, Stephan Richter was always skeptical about the Well and after his exposure to it, went on to try and create the perfect technology based society. I don't think he ever once acknowledged that his new insights and abilities were based on some magic mumbo jumbo. So inevitably, the mad scientist that comes up with a way to create an orbital cannon is unlikely to think that maybe some mystical well is manipulating him. He'll just figure he got lucky or his own incredible genius led him to it. Whereas those who know of an 'believe' in the Well could point at his achievements and cry "Ah ha! Incarnate!" (At which point they'd probably get a funny look from the scientist before being incinerated by said orbital array.)
If it tries the same railroading crap as they did with power diversification (whoever wrote that mission should be shot) then it can go die in a hole, and I will simply refuse to acknowledge it.
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Quote:People actually use them?Originally Posted by DeviousMe
Hmm. Now you've got me curious: what'd you guys do when they came out with Hami-Os?
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Quote:Well, if your strong enough to actually carry around that much solid weight without becoming a small street pizza, I'd assume they also have enough power to get over the street curbOriginally Posted by SenseiBlur
I would like to see someone covered in thick slabs of granite try to jump on their own power and see how that works out for them.
And how exactly does castle disagree? Just because he says the set does not balance well with itself does not mean he agrees with making it a clone. I'm not saying 'Let me fly/SJ while using Granites, zomfg lolol!', merely that not even being able to jump a foot off the ground is too much too far, enough to take a cool concept and make it un-fun in practical terms in game. For example, I dread to think what Orenbegan maps are like using Granite, with the uneven flooring and strange little dips you get which, in Granite, you wouldnt be able to jump over.
I don't pretend to know Castle's exact thoughts on Granite and Stone armour beyond what he said in another thread, to whit; "It's underpowered for 31 levels and then overpowered for 18. I would work on changing it, except that it's an absolute nightmare with those who love it and those who hate it."
The reason that Stone Armour is so hard to tweak, balance and fix is all down to one power; Granite. Ergo, that kinda make it a problem. And you don't need to make it a clone to avoid it sucking for 31 levels.
Sounds a little drastic, to me. Also, cottage rule.Quote:Another option I could see is making granite a level one power and start it off at low resistance/defense levels, scaling it up to what it is currently. All other armors could remain toggles as they are, or they could be changed to all passive, but be swapped to low resistance buffs to make up for any nerfs to granite. Then it would be okay to remove some movement penalties and such, but as it is that -would- make granite overpowered.
Well, Mud Pots for one should get buffed.Quote:Since the beginning of this game, granite has been the bread and butter of Stone Armor. That much is clear. I think it should stay that way, and that's my opinion. Currently, what granite does well is move slow and take hard hits to the face while most of the time staying standing. Taking that highly resistant feel away from the stone armor set would forever cripple it in comparison to other sets like invuln, shield defense, and willpower. Mud pots is already one of the sorriest methods of keeping AOE aggro against mobs that I've ever owned.
Hell, you could take a huge chunk out of the -speed debuff Rooted gives, remove it's -jump section (and add in that the effects only take place when on the floor, a la Grounded) and that would be a huge buff to it, and then decrease Granites overall speed, increase its end cost, remove the -damage part and let it jump, say, a foot or two. That way outside of Granite the other armours would be much more maneuverable, at the sacrifice of not being Granite. Granite would be what you use when you absolutely have to batten down the hatches and face down all comers.
I played it into the 20s, and then got utterly sick of being beaten more by street curbs and steps than by actual villainsQuote:Edit: Anywho, I'm off for the holiday. I've said pretty much everything that needed to be said on behalf of stoners =P I'd be interested to find out how many people here even play stone armor characters to be so knowledgeable on their inner workings 
I'm not just spouting off here, Im griping about what I ran into. In this case, literally
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Reason is the name of the railcannon, foolish fleshling.
*Remote detonates it behind Brand*
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Quote:Unless your European, of course. In which case the transfer tool is frakked.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Y'know, it is freely available to test, right this very second... You could pop on over to the test server and correct whatever misunderstandings you might still have.
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Quote:I lol'd at most of it.Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
@Insane V Presents...
A Short Story on Virtue
As told from the point of view of a dormant RPer
Fightmonger Zallitharsus: We must gathereth our forces and fight for the right to become Incarnates! Forsooth! Watch as I draw my War Mace and activate my Shield powers! Gaze upon my Valkyrie kilt and ring strap chest option! For some reason my eyes are on fire! What ho!
Punky McLonerguy: I'm so brooding and all of my plots involve deep introspection, which is similar to brooding but worth repeating. Also I use the Hipster hair style, Young Face 5, the Motorcycle Leathers jacket/sleeves and the Spiked Collar detail. I mean, I wouldn't be brooding and introspective without those key items.
Catgirl: SEX
SG Leader Clay: Let's go RP in our base for 5 hours and not play the game!
Clay's SG Buddies: HEAR HEAR!
General P. Military: I'm a Mercenary MM with Mall-Ninja-level knowledge of guns and I always wear a suit. Watch as I sit in Pocket D and use /atease to look like I'm paramilitary. Please say hello to my associate, John Q. Agent.
John Q. Agent: I'm that guy who always follows the General and says cryptic things and never answers "yes" or "no" and always responds with words like "perhaps" and "possibly". I also talk about conspiracies, espionage and subterfuge even though I only know what the first one is. My other costumes all have gas masks.
Level 6 demon character: I AM ZORTHOTH! BOW TO ME, THE TIEM HAS COME!
@Insane V: ... @#$% this, I'm going to farm Council.
But I do take minor issue with the SG base example being 'Not playing the game'
How? Since when?
Hell, thats a lot of what me and my SG friends do. Why? Because we have some seriously awesome base builders who build seriously awesome bases by..uh...building. And its a great place to RP. Without Captain McLOLzor in Pocket D spamming us with his leetawesome rain of fire. Or crap like that.
Oh, and then theirs the IC missions. Where we steamroller everything in our path. Because, hey, a team of 8 good players with varying ammounts of tooled up toons does that
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Quote:I already quoted it, thats whatOriginally Posted by Wolfram
Whatever happened to "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"? Anything magic can do, technology can do, and vice versa.
"Incarnate" does not mean "magic". It doesn't replace your current origin, it augments it. An Incarnate Magic character gets more out of his/her magic; an Incarnate Mutation character gets more out of his/her mutation; an Incarnate Technology character gets more out of his/her technology. Nobody is compelled to use the word "incarnate", but don't feel you have to reject being incarnate IC just because of your origin.
And I haven't had a chance to test the new Introduction arc (**** you EU test server and your broken transfer system!
) so I don't know. I still feel uncomfortable with osme quasi-mythic entity saying 'Yeah, I gave you more uber powers, lulz' It feels like game railroading. I may very well be wrong.
And no, I dont want spoilers, thank you. I'll just play the damn arc when it goes live. -
Quote:Yes, actually. Because not being able to jump at all, not even over the street curb is lame. It is lame, un-fun and turns me off a whole damn set because of how terrible it is. I'm serious; the only set in the game I have only ever given one shot is Stone. And then I turned by back on it because it, out of ALL the sets in game, turned me off the hardest. If it hadnt fitted a concept, sure, fine. I can say that about whole ATs and it not be 'broken'. But for one set to be that much 'not fun'? That makes me raise an eyebrow.Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
If it was honestly considered to nerf granite armor in favor of buffing something else I would be one of the people crying the loudest about it, because I think it's a silly idea. Honestly most of the consensus in this thread seems to be that you guys don't like running slow and being unable to jump and fly. I see your argument and I raise you this: I hear invulnerability is fun.
And the 'silly idea' part? Castle disagrees. As do a lot of people, by the look of this thread.
Invul is fun, yes. But there shouldn't be a need for me to ignore a whole set when coming up with concepts because of its un-fun-ness. -
Quote:The short answer is no.Originally Posted by Omega_Chief
While I fully agree with everything else you're saying here, this is the one part that niggles me and that I'm trying to object to here.
Now lets assume I get a character to unlock said Alpha slot (Very unlikly given my play style), what if I don't want said character to be anything like an Incarnate? And whenver I RP with said character they're within teh powerlevel they've always been defined as being and as such are not incarnate level powerful? Do I OOC have to accept that "No wait actually because I went and OOC did this, and never refer to being like that IC I still have to accept that like it or not that my character is an Incarnate?"
The long answer is 'Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo'
It's your character. So long as it sticks within common RP rules, everyone else can go boil themselves, unless they want to pay your subs.
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Quote:I would have hoped that was a given, the same way you shouldn't be able to tell what powers someons character has until you see them or they are explained, security level, name, all that kinda thing. In fact, I'd quickly get very irate if people started delving into OOC descriptions to suddenly judge, say, Alpha as an Incarnate.Originally Posted by Shadowe
To avoid the argument "You're an incarnate", "No, I'm not" that will inevitably crop up, a consensus decision needs to be achieved. Trying not to turn this into an EU issue, but I have the following proposal for the Unionverse at large:
Incarnatedom is undetectable IC.
If that is acceptable (and I think it's quite reasonable), then it falls down to the RP that occurs to find out if a given character "is" an incarnate. This allows the player to make their own decision as to whether their character's power level is actually linked to The Well or not, and whether their character is aware of such a link if it exists.
Alpha can never, nor will ever be an Incarnate, by dint of being what he is. Magic doesn't work with him, and he doesn't believe in trusting in it anyway.
What he does believe in is overwhelming technological superiority, which he also has the intellect and means of engineering. So he will.
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I just dislike it being assumed that anything to do with Incarnates HAS to come from the Well or 'some other' source of whateverthehelltheyputinthisstuff.
I know exactly what Alphas Judgement power actually is going to be, for example;
Reason
A couple of thousand tonnes of railcannon based dee-vine technological intervention. It has nothing to do with quasi-mystical vague explanations and possible sentient water features.
It's an orbital railcannon. It flings nine tonne shells of high calibre Doom at a target, and makes it explode. End of.
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Quote:Myeah, maybe so. I just don't see it as an 'Instant Win' button. There are still multiple ways a non-Incarnate could very feasibly kick an Incarnates shiny butt...my brain, however, seems incapable of making any of them make sense when I type them. Bleh.Originally Posted by Wolfram
This I'm not so sure about. Everything we know (ok, everything I know :P) tells us that Incarnates are a step above everyone else, as much IC and OOC. A non-Incarnate character equalling or bettering Incarnates... I'm not going to say it's impossible, but we're talking an extreme level of power. At that point, I'd be inclined to go with Ammon and say the character has become Incarnate unwittingly.
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Quote:I aim to...uhm...terrorise?Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Damn you! i had to wipe my monitor off after seeing this just as i was taking a drink! Luckily it was seltzer.
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Quote:Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Not exactly, GG.
See, this is what happens when you don't pay attention in Super Criminal Psychology 101.
As heroes, we are faced with countless threats of many different worlds. The common human villain is most likely prone to wanting to take over the world in some form or another, as the world is usually their native home.
But consider that Techbot Alpha is a robot, and breaking it down further, a highly advanced and sophisticated artificial intelligence, and is likely programmed only with 'logic' processors, meaning Techbot's outlook on both life and the world he was built on is viewed with a cold, clinical view.
Added to this is the fact that, if he has an orbital weapons platform, it's likely he possesses a possible backup system, allowing him to exist in other dimensions or in more distant space locations, there may even be a 'mother' copy that continually is producing Techbot Alpha A.I.s for backup.
This is where my insight to you, as a vigilante, helps set your 'curing the symptoms' hero mindset, helps.
To properly destroy Techbot Alpha, you'd need to find the master control programs which would allow all Techbot Alpha A.I.s to communicate and maintain their digital hivemind, then you must locate the 'queen' that would be producing the A.I.s and destroy that. We may need to completely reformat the Internet itself as well to ensure he cannot have sleep programs within the global communications network.
"Who are you trying to play shrink to, you overbering meatsack?! Cold and clinical? We'll see about that when we have your charred remains on a slab for autopsy, to see what just makes a human go down the road of 'Stupid'! Queens? Hivemind? Alpha to brain, fleshling; you need to stop watching trashy sci-fi movies, 'cos they ain't got a patch on me!
I don't want to watch the world burn. It's got too much cool stuff in it. Besides, humans are amusing. And cats. Don't forget cats. Cats are awesome.
But hey, exception's to every rule, eh? And you just proved it."
"Oh, someone wants to be added to The List. Easily? Lets see you rethink that statement after a 9 tonne rail-propelled Reason round to the face, huh?"Quote:Originally Posted by BrandX
He's a robot Heroes can easily destroy those without feeling bad
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Quote:Et voila ^Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
The bit that I emboldened is false!
In this case, the time frame given is a period of time that includes more than one day... It was either right before Thanksgiving or soon afterward!!
They have not failed to meet anything (Other than some absolutely false presumptions).
You keep posting this and multiple people have responded with the truth.
It is not semantics.
It is the truth.
So far, they are on pace for the late end of the time frame they gave.
Theres semantics, and then there is people purposefully ignoring what is actually written and said to further their own 'rightness'
If it doesn't go live till December, then it will be late, and you shall be right. Until then, you are wrong. This is fact. -
Quote:Hmm...Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wouldn't be making myself that much of a target if I was fighting an orbital laser
A zig-zagging flight pattern would work
Calculate for flight trajectory, compensate for evasive maneuvers, vacuum drift and graviational variable flux...most likely variables of standard zig-zag evasion combined with optimal direct route planning...factoring in variables, adding directed support fire from station guns to channel movement...
Yeah. That ups your chances to about 95%. 95% chance of getting shot, that is.
Not sure you'd want to know your previous estimates