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Quote:But he didn't "speak against us," like he was having a problem, Grey. That would have been, "Look guys, I left Prot because of stuff like this, we need to fix some stuff and some of you may be the problem" when the thread was current. He didn't. He came out swinging with, "People on the server are a bunch of retards." He bears the mark of shame for that. I may not like other servers, but I don't go to their forums in their "How Do We Make It Different" threads and call them squalid pits. There has to be an element of respect or humor in speaking truth to power, and his post had neither.But we did react... Now, he bears a significant mark of shame for daring to speak against us...
Quote:It's amazing the reaction people have in the absence of sticks and stones.
Quote:We already aired the concerns of cliques and apparent "disquiet" in the server earlier in the thread, so even though he had a semi-valid point, we already hashed it out. It was pointless.
Quote:If you want to make a point, Silas, try to do it without saying the community is a "squalid pit of cliques and social retardation." You certainly won't be getting cookies or muffins after a statement like that.
Quote:I'm just stating that this reaction, arguing with a guy who admitted to not maintaining a presence in our community, is unbecoming of us (Bye-bye, cool points... It was nice having you). We're not settling any issue, we're just defending our grazed egos. At worst, we've been scratched.
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Quote:Psychic poster is psychic.This is degenerating into silly nonsense that I can see coming from a mile off.
Quote:I should have never said anything to stir the pot because the collective is always right. How could I forget. -
And you decided to spread the wealth, I see, and boil everyone else's blood too.
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Quote:Edited for frosty goodness.I'll jump in on this, I think.
I'll start a team list here:
1. Me (RSFer)
2. Major T (RSFer)
3. Elric (RSFer)
4. Rasta (RSFer)
5.Witch-frost
6. Maybe Riverdancer
7. Non RSFer
8. Non RSFer
I've got several people in mind for this team that I just haven't chatted with yet, but I've definitely got room for a few others. Let me know if you'd like a spot.
I am holding a spot for Lil Yeti until I hear otherwise. -
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I started this story a while back, and have had the urge lately to finish it for some reason (probably because of Going Rogue right around the corner). It's the story of my Erg/WP Brute, Two-Shot Tony. If I get some decent feedback, I'll keep posting (I have a few 'chapters' done).
Round 1
The referee calls us out the center of the ring and starts telling us how the fights gonna be. Fight clean, he says, no dirty punches or headbutting. Hes an alright guy; Ive fought fights with him calling before. The ref's name is Davison; I think his first name is Jon. Short guy, stocky; I know he wears glasses but uses contacts when he refs, which causes him a slight blind spot on the right for some reason. Last year I took a cheap shot to the back by that sloppy ******* Gonzales because of it that nearly cost me the fight, but Gonzales paid for it tenfold when I broke his collarbone the next round. What Davison doesnt know when he tells us to fight clean is that the fights already dirty he just doesnt know it.
I use the time Davison is flapping his jaws to look over my opponent. Christ, this kids a chump. Sure, hes a heavyweight in size, but anyone watching knows this kid isnt a real fighter. Hes too thin in the chest for one thing, with a nose that hasnt been punched in nearly enough for him to have gotten this high in the rankings; this kids been pushed all the way through to me like hed been boxing on an expressway with no stops. And hes got a bad habit of leaning forward when hes about to throw a jab I know, because Ive been watching the tapes which I cant exploit because one uppercut to that exposed chin would take his head clean off.
Pounder Paul Phillips. What kind of jerkoffs gave the kid that nickname, anyway? I bet it was his uncle, the Back Alley Brawler, which is another ridiculous nickname for a guy who isnt even a good fighter. Ive seen his tapes too; how that guy ever got to be hero to the city is beyond me probably because hes been bowing to Statesman since before I was born. Theres a pair. If this kid wasnt Brawlers nephew I wouldnt be in this mess, but Im the next big thing, so they say, and taking me down gets the kid his title shot, which makes Dear Old Unca Brawler proud. A title shot that should be mine, but Im promised first crack at the kid when he makes champ, which apparently is already a made deal. Funny, I wonder what the champs being paid to take a dive. Bet hes getting more than I am.
We touch gloves, and I notice the smirk the kids got on his face as they connect. He thinks he can really fight; someones not telling him hes a bought champ. Id love to show it to him by taking out about ten of his teeth in the first round, but itll have to wait for another fight. Jeez, this ones not even begun and Im already waiting for that one. I can hear them from across the ring; theyre telling him to avoid my combos by staying at a distance and using his reach. Like that would save him if I wanted him down. They dont call me Two-Shot for nothing; I once knocked out a guy through the gloves blocking his face. They told me afterward that I had broken six bones in the guys face, and they had to wire his jaw shut for months.
The bell rings and Im up, and meander my way to the center of the ring. I need to sell that Im getting beaten, so I cant move too fast out there, even at the beginning. I need to make it look like somethings wrong; maybe a stomach flu or dehydration, so when I go down its realistic; no one who knows fighting is ever going to believe this kid beat me any other way. Pounder dances out, like hes in the freakin ballet. I want to punch his face in so bad its making my teeth hurt. Or is that the withdrawal starting; I cant be really sure anymore, but I know Id better focus or Ill end up screwing this up.
The kid throws a couple quick jabs, and then a combo that never even comes close. I have to pass up at least five opportunities to break his face and weve been fighting less than a minute. I lightly tap him a few times, just to let him know where he is, and youd have thought I hit him full force. He staggers, and I start to sweat. This is never going to work, I think, and I start to panic. I hear the ring announcer counting down the end of the round, and I start thinking: How the hell did I get myself into this mess?
Three years earlier:
Light streamed into the office through the large picture window behind the desk, shining down upon two large, overstuffed armchairs on either side. The glass topped desk was covered in files and charts, and the stacked paperwork created the image of a fortress, in which the paperweight took on the appearance of a king under siege. The door opened, and two men entered. One sat down immediately, the chair under him creaking and groaning under his weight. The other moved to a short hook on the wall near the opposite chair.
Look, Tony, youre a great fighter. Probably the best Ive ever seen. But the bones in your hand just cant take the stresses you put on them. You hit too hard; youve broken every bone in your hand at least three times in the last five years. I dont think its going to heal right this time, son. Doctor Paul Wilson took his coat off and sat down in the chair in his office. He took out a cigar and lit it, and offered another to the man sitting in the chair across from him, who declined.
The man was big, shorter than youd expect from a boxer of his weight, but so bulky he didnt fit right even in the doctors oversized chairs. Head hung low, his massive brow creased as he considered Wilsons words. People often mistook Tony Jones for stupid when he did this, since it made him look like a Neanderthal; he was anything but. He wasnt a rocket scientist, by any means, but he possessed quick wits and a very cunning way of getting inside an opponents head. He lifted his head and looked Wilson straight in the eye, a look Wilson found vaguely unsettling coming from a man of this size with this reputation.
What am I supposed to do now, Doc? Are you saying my careers over?
Well, the surgery might take, but well have to break your hand again to do it, and we can put pins and plates in to help, but either way it might possibly cripple them. Tonys head again dipped. If we can find a way to make bones heal faster and stronger, itd be a piece of cake, son. But we cant. Wilson was an old-school doctor, and called everyone son, regardless of age or race (and in at least one case, sex). He was a rare breed, and felt terrible that he couldnt help the man sitting in front of him. But there was nothing he could do.
Tony Jones rose, slowly, to his feet, and lightly shook Wilsons hand with his fingertips, mindful of the bandages and plaster holding his shattered bones together within. Thanks Doc. I appreciate it. Lets do the surgery, and go from there. He opened the door, said goodbye to Wilsons secretary, and let the door swing shut behind him. Wilson could hear Tonys steps as he lumbered down the hallway, and took a slow, deliberate puff of his cigar as he considered the mans (now limited) options. -
Quote:Awesome. Great storytelling, and hugs for the cameo.Part XIV
Conall ignored her. Spinedancer. You have your chance. Show me what you can do.
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Conall stepped back, shaking his head in angry frustration and gestured to Spinedancer. The snaking tendrils of oily black magic found the heros body. They trailed over her skin and she wailed as if her very essence were being drained away. Then the tendrils sank into her. Her eyes widened and her mouth opened, but no sound escaped. Excruciatrix let out a whimper and plastered herself to the back of Conalls legs.
S-o-u-l s-u-c-k-i-n-g m-i-s-e-r-y Spinedancer said. -
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I not only got the wife and the house, but I doubled up on kids and I have yet to see even a badge. All it's done is steadily decrease my influence while forcing me to complete all TF's in under two hours (or else I draw a specialized form of aggro). How long do I have to wait for the accolade?
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I would seriously love to see this done. I will happily volunteer either my Stone Tank or my Kinetics Defender in pursuit of this noble activity.
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Well, based on the PM I just received, I have to say this thread's busted and done, at least for me. I believe the initial post wanted us to have a frank and open discussion, without worrying about hurting feelings and the like. Apparently though, I'm just a big ol' meanie, and certain folks can't handle it. Strangely, though, quite a few people have agreed with what I was saying, so I can't have been too off the mark.
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No offense, Arch, but I liked how you followed this:
Quote:with this:It's true I do it
Quote:And if you still believe I'm FOS, then URL="http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=127273&highlight=NPWN"]go read about the NPWN[/URL] before generalizing... -
And for the record, I have no gripe with you either, Hulkers. I've run with you on more than one occasion. Just remember, when I'm being sarcastic, it's not meant to be mean. And if it was mean, remember, Sooner made me do it.
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Keep hope alive, because,
Quote:I hear WAY too many statements like this:
"Well, I've been here since Beta, and let me tell YOU something, New Player ! Back before ED, we were GODS ! I recall when Someone You Never Heard of and Doesn't Play Anymore, But People Still Invoke Like He or She Belongs in Some Pantheon did The Thing You Just Asked About, and Did It A Helluva Lot Better Than You Can Ever Hope to Achieve !"
I understand "bragging rights" play a role in this game; Witchfrost touched on how Protector's achievements were noteworthy, and they certainly are. I understand people- especially good players- are missed by those they played with. But at what point does fond rememberance turn into "You should listen to me solely because I've been here longer and knew people you didn't." ? When the "glory days" talk becomes exclusionary, new players tune out. Why ? Because they have no idea who the heck you're talking about. It's just that stupidly simple. If you had any intent of passing along any wisdom, you blew it at that point.
I'm not trying to claim bragging rights. I'm not even pining for the old days, when men were men, and women were...well, not men, I guess. Whatever. Anyway, I like the new game. I like the new players. I'm simply saying the new players aren't making the bonds and performing the heroics like they used to. They aren't asking for help like they used to. No one's yelling at clouds and shouting to them about leaving their lawn, because no one's talking to each other at all, except the already established groups.
No one can say this:
Quote:"Let me introduce you to someone I've played with recently, and whose skills I admire."
No one, especially me, is trying to say that anyone should listen to anyone's advice just because they've been around a while. But because I've been around a while, I notice what is and isn't different in the community. And while it's always been the case that Protector has been a bunch of bickering mobs, it's become more crystallized as of late.
You're pretty hard on the "I knew so-and-so" conversation, which I can understand and you do have a point. But it also has a value you overlook, which partly could help your initial complaint. You want a sense of community, but who are our community leaders? When people don't know the vets with experience, who are they going to listen to? I'll admit I'm hypocritical in a way, because I'm certainly not going to take some random 3-monther up on leading a Hami raid. On the other hand, the long-timers arent being listened to by some of the newcomers because you can get to 50 without ever leaving AP, so what advice does a vet have for them? How to street hunt?
Community starts with respected leaders, with experience, and newer players who want to learn. Our server has experienced players, who hate each other, only banding together in their hatred of noobs (we miss you Elric) and lust for merits. It's no wonder the community is non-existent. -
I'll pop in to give my two cents on some of this stuff, because I think Kid and Ice's comments were spot on, though in some cases I think they may not have gone far enough.
I miss the days when Jello Shooters was actually a Protector channel.
Yeah, me too. And I know why, and why the server has become increasingly hostile towards newcomers and more intolerant, and it goes along with this:
I miss the days when the server actually had spirit, we had a mascot, we had things like Robot Rampage and RP Task Forces (Not my thing, but still thought it was cool), we were a server of doers.
I'm a five-year-plus vet. In my five years, I've seen a lot of Protector greatness. I was on the first successful Hami raid on Protector, and we were what, second or third in the entire game in beating him, an incredible feat given our always low population. Kid and his usual Regulars post some of the fastest record times for TF's across all servers on a regular basis (I know this - I've been in a few). When new challenges pop up, Protector leads the way, almost always either completing the task first or being in the top few that do a task first.
And yet, we're belittled on other servers. People (and you've seen them) like to think that they need to come over to our server and our forums and show us poor little Protectorites how to play, which at least once recently got someone red-repped for doing it. I've personally seen people on JS actively recruiting for other servers.
I know people from other servers have good ideas to share, but when their sentences to vets start off with, "let me show you how we do this better on [server x]," they don't go over well. So I tend to listen less and actively look for new people rarely. And I won't even go into how I feel about all the people fleeing Protector lately for other servers, especially when the excuse is population. You're certainly not helping population for the rest of us by moving, now are you?
I miss the days when this was a close-knit community.
No offense, Kyo, butQuote:is nonsense. We aren't close knit. We're a bunch of fickle mobs who occasionally work together to get something done that we want. Even when we work together well, it's that way. We're nice to each other on face value, but as someone else said, on ventrillo or TS or in another channel, it's an entirely different story. Pack A runs with Pack A 95% of the time, Pack B runs with Pack B 95% of the time, etc.; and when Pack A is running with Pack B for RtR or Hami, A is badmouthing B on a channel B can't see. If you had a Venn diagram of the players who logged on the most often, there'd be a very, very small sliver of circle for anyone that played with someone other than their usual six or eight on any given set of nights.I do still believe that Protector is a very close-knit community, and that's reaffirmed every time I go to RtR and recognize most of the players there by their globals or supergroups, or every time a situation like the hurt-and-heal here on the forums arises and we all band together to defend our server's honor.
You recognize globals at the RtR because you see those same globals every RtR. I bet you recognize a lot of globals because you team with them night after night. Do you recognize globals beacuse you see them all over, commenting and running a variety of toons through mish arcs or TFs? I bet you don't. I don't mean this as an attack on you personally, I really don't. But I knew way more toons/globals back in the day, because people HAD to do more with a variety of folks. That is no longer the case. Face it. AE has changed the game. Oroborous has changed the game. Radios have changed the game. They've made it easier for people to level without having to really interact with a variety of others. And everyone knows it. I bet you two-thirds of the people you RtR with don't have a clue who many of the real movers and shakers and long-termers even are on this server any more, and that's a sad fact.
I look around today and is a little saddened. Jello shooters was silent for a good portion of the evening. I see people complaining and I see few stepping up and doing things to better the community. WTH happened to us?
There are 200 people on the JS channel most nights, but of the 200, ten talk. Someone asks for a team, 200 people in the channel no one responds. So people start to leave. They go find populated servers. They fall for it when someone says, 'come to our server, there's always a team/conversation.'
I love Protector. I've been here since the first month. And yes, I'll turn the lights off when I leave. But if you want family therapy, let's lay it on the line. Our family's nuts and hates itself. We certainly put the FUN in dysfunctional, but we're still dysfunctional. -
Quote:I may have had an extreme case of bloodlust on that ITF. I seem to recall channeling some sort of wargod and screaming at one point, "No one's exiting the mission, we're clearing the platform, Biatches!" on Mission 3. That's why they dont let me tank that often.Then, we did an almost full clear ITF and I think we all dinged maybe 3 times in there. We had an invul/mace tank (Frosty), a kin/elec defender (Thirsty), a rad/rad defender (Rasta), a dark/dp defender (me), and 3 dual pistol blasters played by Ice, Sooner, and Major T (I think they were energy, devices, and I cannot remember what T's secondary is, sorry!). Anyhow, stuff literally *melted*
As far as my 2x, Twitch (my Elec/WP scrapper) made it to 50 and then helped the crew get their DP's to 35; Rhino (the Inv/Mace tank) hit 48, almost 49 I think from 46; and I rocked a DP/Erg blaster to about 30. Pretty happy.
*At this point I'd talk about some of the Purples that dropped for me, but I think Vyx's drought may cause her to have some sort of rage-induced attack or go into a frenzy, and I'm okay with living right now.* -
Nobody ever tells me anything. I always find out about this stuff last.
Till later, kiddo.
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I learned the most important lesson of all, I believe.
"Never fear. Fear is the enemy. In your life, if you're charging headlong into a situation in which you know you are going to die, one in which you know you have made an epic mistake that will result in massive damage, dismemberment, and carnage, one in which you already know the life of you and the object of your rescue are already forfeit, be brave, for you can always...........
........pause, hit reset, and start the level over again." -
STF: I'd go for a "Lock It Down" strategy:
1 Tank - Hard to argue with Inv/SS. With a Kin on board, Stone/Fire (good PBAoE) alternate.
1 Defender - Kin/Ice. Kinetics, 2 holds, and good single target damage.
2 Controllers - Earth/Rad (arguably tops in raw control ability) and an Illusion/Rad (double rad, extra crew) or another Earth/Rad
3 Blasters - 2xIce/* for Blizzard, great damage, and 2 holds apiece; and a Fire/Erg (damage machine)
1 Scrapper - Elec/*. Electric is a nasty scrapper set. Running with a Kin troller and FS they rack up ridiculous damage.
- If you can hold it, you can kill it. If you swap out another E/Rad for the I/Rad, that's potentially fourteen holds on 8 toons. Loaded down with Lockdown +2's, Devastation xHolds, Grav Anchors in the Immobs on the Trollers? "Oh look another mob that's....not moving." "Oh look an AV...that isn't moving." While it may be a slower moving TF, there's no scenario I can imagine that would be a defeat for that team.
Numina: Speed run. Let's face it; not the most difficult of the TF's. The only major pain in the *** is the kill missions. Maximize your damage output and rampage. I'd do a fun theme for it maybe. Call it, "Fire In The Hole."
-Inv/Fire or WP/Fire
-Blastersx3 Fire/Erg (Fireball/Fireball/Fireball;RoFire/RoFire/RoFire; Inferno/Inferno/Inferno - That's just sick.)
-Controllersx2 Fire/Kin
-Rad/Rad Defender
-Assorted Fire Scrapper
Posi: Keep it small.
-1 Scrapper/Tank
-2 Blasters
-If a 4th player, Rad Def/Troller
For the record, I think any decent team that takes it slowly and plays well can succeed. I don't think, beyond making sure that you have some sort of buff/debuffage, there's a magic combo for TF success. I've made a Master RSF run with a Corruptor that only had SO's and needed an overhaul, and watched what should have been a perfect ITF (Stone Tank, Kin, decent blasters) go tits-up due to morons (the only players in the entire game I've ever one-starred were on that doozy). YMMV. -
I suspect this may be a long, rambling thread, but I swear it will eventually reach its point. Probably long after you've stopped reading. I would also not be surprised if most of the people reading this thread have no idea who I am. Even though I've been playing the game since the first week, I keep a relatively low profile (I play with a core group of around 10-15 or so, don't do many events, and usually stay as far away from the 'social' raids- Hami and RtR- as I can, due to low tolerance for lag, griefing, and stupidity). But I owe someone a big 'Thankya,' and they're going to get it one way or the other.
In another thread, a player is asking to trade names for stuff, which I'll chime in and say, "not a bad idea." That thread got me to thinking about my name. A name that, although it's my global handle, I never actually owned. I never actually had Witchfrost; I've only had its derivative, Witch-frost. The reason for that is a very long story.
When the game first dropped, I had no idea it even existed. My good friend, who reads every game mag known to man, snagged his copy on day one. He invited me over to show me this game he knew I was going to love, so I played along. I went. And I was hooked instantly, from the moment he showed me character creation. So I made a toon on his account, modeled after my Diablo II character that I loved so much, Witchfrost (Ice sorceress, though I suspect you D2 players already guessed that). A few days later, when my buddy was out of town, I was so hooked I went out and bought my own account. Witchfrost was taken (by myself, on his account), so I grabbed the derivative Witch-frost as my master account name, figuring that as soon as my buddy got back from out of town, I'd steal my original name back as my own toon.
It didn't happen that way. Part of it was my own fault- I was having so much damn fun I forgot to ask him about switching it early on; part was his, since I had told him I had wanted to do it eventually and asked him to save the name. He forgot. After about six months, he started deleting toons, and Witchfrost became a casualty. A couple months after that, when he mentioned he had done some housecleaning, I realized that the house he cleaned had Witch's name as one of the dustbunnies. I tried to get it back - but someone had already taken it.
I tried to get it back off and on for a couple years; someone always had it (I sent the occasional tell about it, but never got a response), and I forgot about it as time went on. I was Witch-frost; so what if it was a hyphenated version, and besides, she was pretty much retired anyway (second Ice/Ice blaster 50 on this server ever, thanyouverymuch). I probably hadn't thought about the circumstances surrounding the name for a year and a half or more. Then I saw the name thread today.
On a lark, I decided to take a shot at the name again. I had been tinkering with the idea of making an Ice controller; wouldn't it be a gas if it was available again? And it was.
So to whoever had it (perhaps someone not even reading these threads anymore because they quit), whatever the reason, thanks for freeing up my name. -
Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night.
And God bless us, everyone.
And from all of us, to all of you: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
**Okay, I'm cliche farming. But the sentiment's still there. Have a wonderful, safe Christmas holiday.
Sincerely,
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Thanks to all (and to some in advance) for the B-day wishes!