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It strikes me as slightly sad that people will take hours of their time, sweating and slaving, just to spec out a character to make it "t3h ubur l33t."

Honestly I would rather be spending time having fun playing the game... or making new characters.

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What in the world makes ppl dress up imaginary characters in spandex and fight equally imaginary bad guys in a virtual world? Why not lead a real life?

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Because real life doesn't let me kill people without consequences.

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Bahh you just haven't learned how to do it right.

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since anyone not in line with the Party is not allowed to speak, this turns into another nice american portfolio.

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En francais si vous plait ?, Je ne comprende pas

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and you complaining about the complaint posts makes you a troll. the whole point is that the dev's are trying to sweep all of this under the rug without admitting to anything or giving appologies for anything they have done that is wrong. and the attitude that posi took on the whole thing could have been avoided if they would have listened during closed and open beta instead of just being money hungry.

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Um, they did listen. Did they catch everything? No. And with the rush of players (I have *never* before seen both Test servers greyed out) during open, anything that WAS sent via open was likely buried in a flood of other things - testing the PVP IOs and such, for instance.

Closed? Yes, we saw a somewhat rapid "Hey, exploit." "Report exploit." *patch* We're talking about maps being pulled (purple crystals from the end of - Ice mistral, I think - that were giving *tons* of tickets with just one AOE setting them off, as well as mobs that had no offensive capability but were still giving XP.)

"Money hungry?"

They listened, and acted quickly until the floodgates were opened. And continued to try to keep up. Having some things slip through *happens.*

Why should they publicize "Oops, a few people" - and I'm sorry, but yes, it DOES only seem like a few people, magnified by "I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of someone in an SG on another server" - "who didn't intnetionally exploit got caught in the net?" It's a customer service issue, they can contact CS and have it dealt with.

Since when have the rednames or devs discussed *any* moderating action with anybody but the person involved?

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No, The comm officer and the no ranged were well known. And the no ranged should have a been a no brainer. This isnt the first time its happened.

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And this thread has officially gone from someone asking an innocent question, to "THE DEVS SUXXORS!!!!! ME NO PLAY DIS GAME NO MOAR!!!!!"

This is usually the best time to lock a thread like this. It has no where else to go but down.

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Yes no sense ever hearing anything that might be disturbing.

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And he who sees that as carte blanche to ridicule the ignorer is clearly demonstrating their own maturity.

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Absolutely. If someone sticks their head in the sand when confronted its evidence of the weakness of their position.

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Sometimes the only way to retain your sanity in an argument w/ someone who you just can't reason with is to pretend they don't exist. Ignoring someone does not necessarily mean your position is weak. They may just be persistent in their idiocy.

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There is a giant difference between what you describe and flaunting the fact. In the latter case its offensive.

Even if it were the same declaring that you wont defend your views does not oblige others to stop tearing them down.

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... is that how it works?


And all this time I thought it was for ignoring someone who had thus far contributed nothing worth reading or responding to.



Shows how much I know, doesn't it?

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Never needed a mechanical filter to do that.

And most people when they don't want to pay attention to something don't go obnoxious about it.

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because you know as well as I do that a gold title or special power would get just as many screaming angry "me too's"

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As I already stated in my post, I cite the permanent costume powers as an example of a non-equal distribution of a bonus that doesn't have nearly the problems Bug Hunter has had. I feel a non-badge reward (on top of the "hey, look, my name is on the Dev Choice arc" reward in itself) would not have as much fuss.
Can you point me to a thread about the anniversary gold titles being unfair? If there is, is it as bad as what's in Positron's thread about I14 badges that started the Chosen One debate immediately?
Is there *any* example of another type of reward that the game gives that has had the amount of complaining that Chosen One or Bug Hunter get? Even the horribly unpredictable drop distribution of Purples isn't much of a serious problem.

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Theyre more known because theres a lot more people who know of badges than even know the costume powers exist

As for the purple drop rate..you apparently dont read the market forum much. almost every week we get a thread where someone whines about how unfair it is that "greedy profit [censored] bastards raise prices on the markets so average players cant ever get IOs or purples. plz nerf it devs".

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The purple drop rate is probably the single biggest issue, and its one I wish they would nerf by upping it. No way something that enjoyable will happen though.

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And he who sees that as carte blanche to ridicule the ignorer is clearly demonstrating their own maturity.

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Absolutely. If someone sticks their head in the sand when confronted its evidence of the weakness of their position.

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There would be to many enhancements in the stores then and would just be to much to find one enhancement.

They also have the combine enhancements which do like the same thing as buying new ones.

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A slider instead of a list would work. It would also cut down on the search time.

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I don't know about folonious but once I know that's the case I go to town." is the relevancy

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LOL then you need to put a few years on. Putting someone on ignore and then using it to antagonize them is dispicable. Anyone that does that deserves the ridicule they receive.

If you can't fathom why here is the short form. The act of putting someone on ignore, is little but a personal admission of lack of self control. Going the further and blatantly advertising it, is both obnoxious and arrogant. They get what they deserve.

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So defeat badges are grinding? Then all of the defeat badges should be removed? I dont think there was anything wrong with most AE badges but some needed to be changed or removed but not as many as they are doing. Does everyone not want to work for anything anymore want everything handed to them?

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Yes they are lowering the bar so that everyone can wear a badge. Making the meaning behind the badge valueless.

Why remove the badge to rescue 50 hostages? That takes some time but certainly a lot less time and energy than killing 200 toxic tarantulas. They are making MA badges meaningless because everyone will have all of them. Most players dont badge so trying to find and kill 200 toxic tarantulas isn't important, but MA is super popular so all of a sudden those badges must be very very easy to get so everyone playing MA will have them.

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So you're one of the 'I have X, you don't: I'm happy' people then.

Eco.

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For me at least, its more of a "I have x that few people have because I did something to earn it"

This sort of change is basically being told to my face "don't bother trying to excel and put your best arc ideas to digital paper and work tirelessly to make them as perfect as possible. after all, just get 20 buddies to 5star you and you have all the authoring badges"

Its a nice change if you're a badger or don't care at all about recognition. Its a morale killer if you actually liked being able to be proud of your accomplishments.

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So you need a reward to be proud? I am plenty proud of my Arc, regardless of how many people play it, or if I ever get any variety of recognition for it.

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Amazing how many people are saintly on message boards and how few are in real life.

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This thread isn't about schooling folks in debate, it's about Smurphy's plans to better optimize his playing of this game through the means he's outlined in his posts in this thread.

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Then why the need to try and directly address the NcSoft employees?

What you describe doesn't require that being repeated twice in the same thread.

Please reconcile those things, then I'll believe you.

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Can't say nobody told you.

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I'd like to add that I read into both Positron's and Synapse's posts that their intent to address these badges is specific to the Mission Architect. I do not mean to say they they won't carry this practice forward in future (non-MA) badges, but they are specifically stating that they do not want the Mission Architect to be about grinding. They seem to be intent on getting to a state where people to play it because it's compelling on its own merits, not because they have to run 5000 missions to get an array of badges.

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good luck to them on that because I dont see it happening. The primary activity there is still inf/ticket farming

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how would a street sweeper mess up a game for someone else anyway? they just defeat enemies on the street, so?

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LOL how does a farmer mess up anyones game, all they do is defeat enemies on farms.

How does a marketeer mess up your game, all they do is buy and sell things on the market.

How does a farmer prevent anyone from playing anyone elses arcs ?

How did player X getting Dev choice ruin your day ?

Believe it or not there are people that can't play the game for beans, and because it is Multiplayer they prefer to blame other players rather than themselves.

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I see you are still posting replies to my posts.

You can give up trying to bait me, Folonius.

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

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I don't know about folonious but once I know that's the case I go to town.

Cheers.

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Relevancy ? please.

I am posting on a public forum, there will be witnesses and the mods do hold everyone to account.

Now if you wanted to get holier than though on this, the Quaran has some nice passages concerning treating madmen with kindness.

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I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed." If this behavior is "not allowed" I am sure that these employees would be willing to kindly explain to me exactly which parts of my plan are "not allowed" so that I may adjust my behavior so that I may act in an "allowed" manner.

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Yes, because "NcSoft employees" have nothing better to do than to scan the message boards looking for events to approve or disapprove of.
*snip*

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Dang, I would sworn that there were in fact, just some such NCsoft employees to do precisely that very thing...


Oh yea, I remember they're called Mods! *wave*



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If you think that the Mods sit and read every thread then you are way, way, way off base.

They are probably overwhelmed just trying to keep up with the threads that someone has notified them about or cleaning up the tears that threaten to drown the offical threads on the subject.

nice try though.

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Quit while you are behind. Because there is no getting ahead with the positions you are staking out.

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Well we as veterans don't consider it complicated.

But, it'd be hard to make that call if all you've seen is the bit of AP between the AE building and Ms. Liberty.

Personally? if I had a friend show interest in the game, I'd street sweep a heck of a lot. Then at least we'd move from zone to zone as the levels got higher, and end up exploring things as we progressed.

But apparently street sweeping is frowned upon, not because it's not farming, but that it's "inefficient" farming, or something...

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Who frowns upon street sweeping ?

If you like it fine and good. Won't catch me saying those damn street sweepers are messing up everyones game,

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I see you are still posting replies to my posts.

You can give up trying to bait me, Folonius.

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

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I don't know about folonious but once I know that's the case I go to town.

Cheers.

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Every MMO I have ever played has a Eula and within that is always a clause dedicated to what should happen to a player if they use an exploit repeatedly instead of reporting it and letting it be. When developers get wind of these exploits they use data mining to look at the experience/monetary curve compared to what it looks like through the players that abuse the exploit. They then caution the player base that they will implement a "fix" or, as most players call it, a "nerf."



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The bolded part doesn't happen here. The best we get is "If you think a nerf is coming it probably is"

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Any particular reasons for /ice?
I've heard that it's fairly low damage output, and it doesn't mesh well with elec/...
I've gotten an ice/ice blaster to 32, and it's not too bad...

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Soloing its all spawns of 3. Ice has a holds that instantly turn that into 2 and excellent ST damage to deal with whats left.

aim+BU+Frost breat+ Hold LT+take out minion 1+ Take out

Oops misread: above is still true

Shiver, chilling embrace, the sleep and the ever popular ice patch and chillblain for /ice

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I agree here, and that's one of the reasons I don't like seeing new players powerlevel. If they are just trying to get to Max level as soon as possible and don't get into the arcs or stories then they will likely be dissapionted once they get to 50 or feel that they are done and move on to another game.


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The fix for that is more endgame content

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It only needs a fix if it is broken. I for one am perfectly fine with the idea that 50 is a new beginning for another character. I'm an altaholic though and love making new characters. When a character is max level for me thier story is over. It has reached it's conclusion and there isn't much development left for it.

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Yes and for everyone that isnt an altaholic gets to 50 in however long it took and leaves ? More enjoyable endgame content is needed

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I have no idea where you are coming from here. Mission Architect is a true innovation that has created an influx of players from other games and not just returning players either. It is possibly one of the greatest things that has come out of MMOs in a LONG time.


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Advertising a new boxed set and a bait and switch by the devs had nothing to do with those results ?

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I also have no idea what the events of recent days you are referring to are.

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Talk to people in game about bannings

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I will also start a second team with the opposite approach.

I'm going to make a pile of level 1s and level pact them to people. Then I'm going to take my absolutely ridiculous SS/Fire Brute and my Fire/Kin Corruptor and go into all boss maps of enemies who do pure fire damage. I think I can get my level 1s to level 50 in under 10 hours despite being level pacted to logged out toons.

I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed." If this behavior is "not allowed" I am sure that these employees would be willing to kindly explain to me exactly which parts of my plan are "not allowed" so that I may adjust my behavior so that I may act in an "allowed" manner.

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Well done.

Its pretty obvious they don't live by their rules and this is the kind of confrontation that will expose it. If the characters do manage to achieve a spectacular leveling speed they will no doubt ban them you simply for forcing them into a bad position

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On another note, Bad, I've noticed an increase in highly annoying people in the game... especially joining TFs and AEs. I dont know why... but I've been playing for almost 3 months and never encountered such craziness. Its saddening sometimes.

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New boxed set in stores, big web advertising campaign ?

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Yes but the information was there, it is their own fault if they couldn't be bothered to read it.

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it doesn't matter if they read it or not.

Post all the "don't eat people" signs you want on the Savannah, lions will still do it- that's their nature.

Players will find efficient reward paths.
If developers don't want them to, it must be coded into the game.
Asking doesn't work, period. It never has, it never will.

Their release of AE was like throwing a deer into the lion cage and then having a screaming fit when it got eaten.

Gamers acting like gamers is predictable and understandable.
All the fault here lies with the devs, the alleged 'adults' who threw a huge fit when their paying customers didn't use a toy they way they wanted them to.

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Why is this thread so long when this was posted on the first page? Giving people the means for an easy path then expecting them not to use it 'because they say so' seriously doesn't understand their market.

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... the people who didn't heed the devs wouldn't find themselves in the predicament they now find themselves in if they had simply 'obeyed the rules'.

If you leave a treat on the counter, and you tell Jimmy its not for him, and Jimmy eats it anyway hes' gonna get spanked.

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More like a cookie was left on a counter and a note saying not to eat it was left in drawer no one ever opens