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  1. My acocunt renewal date is the 2nd.
    I got my transfer token on the 31st.
    No points and no reward token as of earlier today.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlackSun17 View Post
    OK - not enough time to reread through everything, and this is a convuleted mess as is - perhaps someone can quickly answer this:

    My bill date is the first of the month. I am a VIP, and have been a paid subscriber since 1/1/2005.

    When should I get my next allotment of points and Reward token?
    I think that if one of us could answer that question, this thread would have died a while ago.
  3. It all depends on what is offered between now and when my sub expires.

    The game has changed in ways that I am not sure I like. I am not sure I dislike them either. But I am sure that I am not as in love with the gaming experience as I once was.

    My sub doesn't expire until March, so I have the luxury of waiting and seeing how things progress.
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
    Not following you. Previously, the vet rewards came at THREE MONTH intervals and subscribing for 12 months at a time did not get them to you any faster. Now you can get one per month. This is somehow a letdown?
    I suspect he's comparing spending the same amount of money that was spent on a sub in the market place.
    If you drop a annual sub's worth of money into the market place, you get all of your points/tokens right away and more of them.

    I may be wrong about what he's saying though.
  5. VIRTUE & FREEDOM SERVER ONLY
    Lots of 1,000 only

    buy @ 75,000,000 [75,000 per]

    sell @ 250,000,000 [250,000 per]


    PM me on the boards and we'll make arrangements to meet in game
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  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kederren View Post
    If I buy twelve months, do I get all twelve Reward tokens at once, or do I get them one month at a time?
    one month at a time.
  7. I will be tier 9 when my sub expires.
    I am looking to see if there's any reason why I shouldn't switch to premium and get all of my points and tokens when I pay for them.

    As it stands, there's not a whole of reason to stay VIP and have my stuff doled out. At least not as I can tell. I'll lose incarnate content and access to Exalted and that's about it. Everything else is available for purchase should I choose.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by MentalMaden View Post
    It's funny how they make the argument that these ancient carvings don't have native features, yet nobody ever considers they may have just been really bad artists.
    Or it is just stylized.
    The Ancient Egyptians didn't have to draw flat people with sideways eyes. But they did it on purpose.
  9. A perennial request it is though
  10. There're aren't really enough set bonuses that grant enough res to really worry about upping res as build goal, imho. At least not beyond adequately slotting your res powers.
  11. Maybe I should pick out bug and have that one be my pet bug.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for a good pet bug?
    Atm, I am leaning toward typos and misspellings, but I am open to suggestions.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    As I said before, you don't even BEGIN to be qualified to tell them how to allocate your resources until you know how they're allocated. For all you or any of us know, they already have the most people that can be put on bug-squishing without losing effectiveness. Even once you do know, you have a long way to go before you're TRULY qualified. Even then, it's still not your PLACE to do so.
    And, to be honest, I am not trying to tell them anything, it's about requesting.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
    Fine. We get it. At this point, you're posts are just sounding like whining.
    There's a small x in the upper right-hand corner that you can click and my posts will disappear from your computer screen.
    Opening this thread is entirely voluntary and optional on your part.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    As I said before, you don't even BEGIN to be qualified to tell them how to allocate your resources until you know how they're allocated. For all you or any of us know, they already have the most people that can be put on bug-squishing without losing effectiveness. Even once you do know, you have a long way to go before you're TRULY qualified. Even then, it's still not your PLACE to do so.
    Anymore than it's you place to say that they can't.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Then why ask for an issue where they work on bugs if you're aware they're already working on them? Like I said, if you're already aware of what we're trying to tell you, then this thread is pointless. You're asking for something that's already being done.
    Just because you miss the point doesn't mean it's not there.


    Just because I am good house keeper doesn't mean that I don't "straighten up a little" before special company comes over.
    The same with the bugs.
    Just because they keep house [fix bugs regularly] doesn't mean that it is somehow impossible to "straighten up a little" [temporarily adjust the priority of bug fixing] before special company comes over.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    What people are trying to drill into your head is THEY ARE WORKING ON BUGS. There doesn't need to be a special issue dedicated to it, because EVERY GODDAMNED PATCH has bug fixes, not just the issues. A "bug fix issue" won't have anything more in the way of bug fixes. Just less content. You're asking them to throw more people at a problem when doing so won't really improve matters any.
    I am aware that they are working on bugs. I have not made any comment to the effect that they are not doing so.
    Perhaps if you used a larger font, more exclamation marks, and maybe some color in addition to all caps, maybe I could understand you better. idk
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Yes, indeed. Because this whole thread exists to ask them to do something that they're pretty much already doing as well as they can.
    If I want to have a birthday party, does that mean I think that there's not enough cake and ice cream in my daily diet? Or I think people aren't giving me enough presents everyday?

    Or is it a desire for a special event instead of a statement about the day-to-day affairs in my life?
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Because you seem to be under the impression that the fact that bugs aren't magically fixed with a wave of a wand within a few days of becoming known means that they AREN'T putting enough attention on them.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    But if that's not the impression you're under, this whole thread is pointless. Either they're already doing what you ask for or they're not. This whole thread existing in the first place is what's giving the impression that I said.
    So, if I am not under the impression that because "bugs aren't magically fixed with a wave of a wand within a few days of becoming known means that they AREN'T putting enough attention on them," then the thread is pointless?

    fascinating.
    and cool story bro.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Didn't say you did. I said "you seem to be under the impression...".
    That would be a problem with perception of then. Not much more I can do about that. I can only say what I mean. Other meanings and other extras that are assigned to what I say by other people are beyond my control.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
    They do spend time working on bugs. Why else are there bug fixes being released into the game constantly? If they didn't spend time fixing them then there wouldn't be any bug fixes going into the game.
    I didn't say that they did't spend time on fixing bugs, nor do I think that.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
    Which brings us to your real question. Why is the bug that annoys you specifically not getting fixed.
    I don't have any such bug.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Because you seem to be under the impression that the fact that bugs aren't magically fixed with a wave of a wand within a few days of becoming known means that they AREN'T putting enough attention on them.
    I haven't said anything about bugs not being fixed in days after they're discovered. ymmv of course.

    I am pretty sure that there's no other way of fixing bugs than devoting time to fixing them. I could be wrong about that. If I am please let me know.

    I am talking about having the appropriate personnel shift the priority of working on bugs in their appropriate field from priority # y to priority # y-n where n>0 for X units of time and where a lower value for y means higher priority.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
    They do put people who know the system to fixing bugs.
    That's what I also assume. I am unsure why someone brought up putting people who don't know the system on the job. That part is a mystery to me.
    I did not broach the idea. I merely pointed out the simplicity of countering the issue that was raised.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Coding isn't as simple a matter as you seem to think it is.
    I am unclear as to why coding has to be perceived to be simple for a request for more attention be devoted to bug fixes for a period of time. But w/e.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Being unable to find/fix the cause of a bug doesn't mean that there aren't enough people putting enough time in it or that those people don't know what they're doing. The cause of a bug in even the cleanest code can often be VERY obscure and turn up in totally surprising places that seem completely unrelated.
    That's all granted. Thanks for writing it all down.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Where did his post imply not doing so?
    not sure why I am bothering to reply, but right here:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
    Throwing people who don't know a system at it to fix bugs is a recipe for disaster.
    It's pretty much the entirety of that post. It's one sentence long and consists solely of the assertion that throwing people who don't know a system at it to fix bugs is a recipe for disaster.
    I honestly don't know how to make that any clearer.

    If you're just hassling me for fun, you must be very bored.

    And to be honest, I have no idea why that subject even came up.

    There're many things that could be a recipe for disaster. I really doubt that all of them need to be addressed.
    but I'll go ahead and get few out of the way.
    Problem: Having animators handle database issues wouldn't go so well.
    Solution: Have animators work on animation and have database admins work on the database.

    Problem: Having animators sit on their hands while powers guys work on fixes wastes time .
    Solution: Let the animators work on animation after they have worked on their ANIMATION bugs w/e they may be.

    Problem: Using goats to code would be a recipe for disaster.
    Solution: Don't use goats to code.
    Seriously, a solution to a number of these objections can be figured out in the time it takes to read the objection.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Father Xmas View Post
    I blame Hollywood.

    Hackers/programmers can get a computer to do something in minutes if they rabidly type on a keyboard.
    But, if anyone has a moment I would like to hear about how having the appropriate personnel shift the priority of working on bugs in their appropriate field from priority # 11 to priority # 3 for X units of time is somehow the equivalent of performing a magical Hollywood hack.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
    Throwing people who don't know a system at it to fix bugs is a recipe for disaster.
    umm, then why do that? Why not use the people who know the system?
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
    Absolutely not. Putting more people on the problem doesn't necessarily make it easier/faster to solve. The old saying about too many cooks and spoiled broth applies...
    Allocating man-hours doesn't have to mean putting more people on it. It can also refer to adjusting priorities so that man-hours are spent on it instead of something else--how tha man-hours are allocated.

    If you can find a way to prevent, resolve, or otherwise find a way out of w/e objection you have in under 30 seconds, the devs can most likely figure it out too.

    If you try, you can probably figure lots and lots of ways that wouldn't work. But, why bother?