What AT/Powersets to Level-Lock at 35?
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Posted on: 2012-08-28 10:13 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Staff or TW for sure, and paired with Fire. I think TW is heavier on damage, even considering the redraw affecting momentum. Staff would get the edge if Fiery Aura didn't have a recovery tool.
That's my vote.
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Why 35 and not 33 out of curiosity?
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Why 35 and not 33 out of curiosity?
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Really, that's all I've got.
- Technically, slotting four typical defense or resist set IOs (two duals, the def or res piece, and the triple) hits the 56%+ ED cap if I use 35s, and falls just short with 33s.
- Also, there are no 33 generic IOs, so slotting 33s results in 33s and 35s while leveling (unless/until I replace the generics with 50s), which just "looks messy" to me.
- Lastly, 35s exemplar doiwn to 32, the lowest exemplared level at which my Tier 9 Primary power is available. Anything lower and I'll be missing one (or more) primary powers, so I'm more willing to accept not having the set bonuses then.
But really, slotting 33s would result in a negligible difference in final stats, so it's more a personal quirk than a rationally defensible choice.
Although it does mean I can slot the level 32 final Primary power all they way up on my level-locked character, which wouldn't be possible at 33.
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I went with a Fire/Fire brute for level locking at 35. That level is preferable to 33 (at least for me) because you get another three slots plus Fiery Embrace.
In addition, you get level 35 recipes from random rolls, which are generally in higher demand than 33s (partly because you can use level 35s at level 32 when you get your Tier 9 primary power). Also, things like Kinetic Combat top out at 35, and people kitting out their 50s tend to want the highest possible bonuses.
For example, Kinetic Combat: Acc/Dam 35 is selling for 20-25 million while level KC: Acc/Dam 33 is selling for 2-10 million at this moment.
Seems like 33s go for more, due to the fact that you can exempt to 30 with 33s, and keep the sets, and for things like TFs, Ouro, etc, you almost always exempt to round numbers. Granted, the last few seasonal trials haven't been that way, so maybe 33s aren't in the same kind of demand they used to be in. Really, tho, as Sail said, the final numbers aren't much different, and so it comes down to taste.
For the record, not trying to change anyones' mind here, but for those others reading the thread, mostly, at 33, you'll often be rolling on the 30-34 table, meaning that you can see the ever in demand Erad set drop. I don't think I ever see that drop when running at 35, but I might just have missed it.
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I'm used to Fiery melee on a Tanker. On a Brute, although you still do get the lovely pairing of Greater Fire Sword and Incinerate, I'm only seeing one AoE, Fire Sword Circle, without ancillaries or patron pools. I know FSC is very nice, but still, that's just one power. Does its fiery goodness outweigh the other AoE-rich sets? |
Originally Posted by Rodion
I went with a Fire/Fire brute for level locking at 35. That level is preferable to 33 (at least for me) because you get another three slots plus Fiery Embrace.
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Claws gets two (counting Shockwave as usable with the Overwhelming Force proc), including the best PBAoE in the game over time, War Mace gets three, and Titan Weapons gets four if I am counting correctly.
Edit: Staff gets 3 also, but the two cones affect a max of 5 each, unlike the cone in Claws and both cones in War Mace, although Staff does have a nice reach. The three cones in Titan Weapons only affect 5 each too; but there's three of them and they're huge.
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Just a random thought, but at level 35 you can complete all the TFs for task force commander... it's only a measly hit point bonus but worth a thought...
The why question?
I mean I have toons locked at 30 so they can get lvl 30 drops (that i put on most toons). But if it's for exemp'n down then why not lvl to 50 and make a build that's at 35. Purple set bonuses will still work and your insp tray will be bigger. I have an Ice Tank that is 50 and has a build that uses lvl 20 sets and purples and is tough as nails.
So... my point is... why handcuff yourself to lvl 35?
EDIT: Also... you can add the slots from above lvl 35 to all your sub 36 powers...opens up better builds.
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Well, I compiled some numbers from City of Data.
Disclaimer: These are for Brutes only. I arbitrarily chose the sets I thought offered best sustained/chainable AoE. This resulted in Broadsword and Katana being left off the list despite their decent AoE. Fiery Melee maybe should have been left out too, now that I look at it. This does NOT represent the "best sets," only those likely to be suitable for my relatively-narrow intended purpose.
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If I'm stingy with my slotting for the secondary, I predict being able to six-slot 3.5 to 4 attacks, so I could just barely make Titan Weapons work.Dmg # Rechg Claws Spin 1.89 10 foes 14 Eviscerate 2.18 5 foes 12 Shockwave 1.13 10 foes 14.4 Fiery Melee Fire Swd Circle 1.75 10 foes 20 Dual Blades Typhoons Edge 1.14 10 foes 12 Combo dmg Sweeping Strike 1.7 5 foes 11 Combo dmg One Thou. Cuts 2.13 10 foes 15 Titan Weapons Def Sweep 0.73 5 foes 4 Parry-like Titan Sweep 1.43 5 foes 10 Whirling Smash 1.37 10 foes 14 Arc Destruction 2.6 5 foes 20 War Mace Whirling Mace 1.12 10 foes 14 Shatter 2.28 5 foes 12 Crowd Control 1.61 10 foes 12 Staff Guarded Spin 1.39 5 foes 8 Parry-like Eye of Storm 1.23 10 foes 17 Can do -resist Innocuous Str 1.66 5 foes 10
What's surprising to me is how strong Dual Blades looks in this comparison -- I'd forgotten that One Thousand Cuts hits up to 10, and we can't discount the bonus damage from the two combos.
I did not track cone size, but it's important too. (I have a rough feel for it, so didn't feel the need to cram it into the table).
Just from casual eyeballing, it looks to me like the top contenders are Titan Weapons and Dual Blades, with War Mace and Claws chasing close behind.
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I think I might not have expressed it clearly. This toon will be level-locked at 35 to get drops (like your level 30 toons). Other toons will use those level 35 drops so that they are somewhat exemplar-friendly -- I won't be exemplaring this one. I do level those other toons to 50.|
Originally Posted by LAST_RONIN
The why question?
I mean I have toons locked at 30 so they can get lvl 30 drops (that i put on most toons). But if it's for exemp'n down then why not lvl to 50 and make a build that's at 35. Purple set bonuses will still work and your insp tray will be bigger. I have an Ice Tank that is 50 and has a build that uses lvl 20 sets and purples and is tough as nails. So... my point is... why handcuff yourself to lvl 35? EDIT: Also... you can add the slots from above lvl 35 to all your sub 36 powers...opens up better builds. |
I could use 50 IOs on them, and make a second build on each one using the 35s, but that would 1) double the number of IOs I'd have to buy for each toon, for a marginal advantage in enhancement percentage, and 2) still result in my needing a source of level 35 IOs (for those second builds), which would lead me back here.
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If I were to level-lock a character at 35 to generate lvl 35 recipes, what would be the best choice?
The primary would be fully available and slottable by 35, but the 9th-tier power in the secondary wont be available and the 8th-tier wont be slottable.
Im pretty sure I still want a Brute for this work. Its my understanding that the usual preference (assuming level 50) is the Super Strength/Fire Brute. But, because SS has only the one AoE, I think that anticipates heavy use of the ancillary or patron pools, which are not available at 35 (well, you can take one first-tier power, but not slot it). So Im thinking SS isnt as strong a choice in this case.
In lieu of SS, what? Fire Melee and Titan Weapons seem to have excellent AoE potentials. Claws is always a contender (especially with an Overwhelming Force proc in Shockwave). Staff is also full of AoEs. Other primaries offer other benefit, but for this builds limited purpose single-target damage is less needed and we probably wont need much mitigation from the primary.
As far as secondaries go, I assume the answer is still a Fire Brute. Fire matures early and has excellent mitigation if you pick your enemies, and although 35 wont allow me to slot up Fiery Embrace, I would still get Blazing Aura and Burn. Other potential contenders might be Shield (for the AAO damage buff) and maybe Electric (great specific resist, damage aura, various goodies).
Any thoughts or experiences are welcomed.
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