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I'm used to making regular io's from the university, not the expensive ones. I just bought the "crushing impact" set. One of the set bonuses says, "improves accuracy of all powers by 7%" My question is this, if I buy another crushing impact set, will it double the percentage ? Meaning, will it go up to 14%?

I noticed in my personal info that a (2) is next to the set bonuses. I'm assuming that (2) represents double the percentage, not sure. Also, I heard that I can only go up to (5) only. The purple ones are only (1) I heard....Any answer will be appreciated, thank you


 

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The (2) is for the number of pieces in the set you have to slot in the same power to get that bonus:

(2) - Bonus for slotting 2 pieces
(3) - Bonus for slotting 3 pieces

etc. etc.

For all set bonuses, you can only have five of the same one. For example, you can only have five +7% ACC bonuses (regardless of what set they come from) across your entire build. If you slot any more than that, those bonuses will not apply.

In the "Personal Info," where it lists the set bonuses, the "x number: (x 4, for example) is the number of bonuses you have of that particular type.


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What Aurora_Girl said!

Wiki link, including the "Law of Five": http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Set_Bonuses

Generally, it's assumed to mean "you can only effectively slot five sets of Crushing Impacts (for instance) and you won't get the bonuses for a sixth set." In actuality, "you can only get five 'improves accuracy by 7%' bonuses' (for instance) and the sixth won't count." So if you slot four Crushing Impacts and two other sets that give THE SAME accuracy bonus, you'll only get credit for five of those accuracy bonuses.

Regarding purples, you can only slot one of each of those IO's in a build once -- but their bonuses follow the same "rule of five" as above.


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Originally Posted by jose2390 View Post
I noticed in my personal info that a (2) is next to the set bonuses. I'm assuming that (2) represents double the percentage, not sure. Also, I heard that I can only go up to (5) only. The purple ones are only (1) I heard....Any answer will be appreciated, thank you
You are correct, this means you are receiving that set bonus 2 times.

You are also correct regarding the maximum of 5. See Eldorado's post regarding the "Law of Five".

Additionally, any IOs that is marked as UNIQUE can only be slotted once per character.

Usually, you will find that some sets only have 1 unique IO. Like Numina's Regen/Recovery.

In "purple" sets, all enhancements are UNIQUE, hence, only 1 set can be slotted per character.



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Ok. I'm trying to understand this. Please bare with me. Five is the maximum. That I understand. However, if the percentage is 7% for example (x5) Does that mean I will have 35%? Of that particular bonus?


 

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Yes. Even in City of Heroes, five times seven is thirty-five.


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Thank you everyone!


 

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Girl View Post
Yes. Even in City of Heroes, five times seven is thirty-five.
But you could have more accuracy bonuses, if they're a different number -
some sets have 9% bonus, some 11%, etc - you can stack each named
set bonus up to 5 times. I say 'name', not 'number' because at least
Luck of the Gambler has a 7.5% recharge bonus which has a different
name than the 7.5% bonus available from Basilisk's Gaze and some other
sets, so you could conceivably have 5 x 2 x 7.5% recharge bonuses.


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Another note, you can stack five of each individual set bonus name. For example, five 7% bonuses, five 10% bonuses, five 2% bonuses, etc., etc.

A common bonus to go for a bunch of different levels is recharge, because there are 2.5% bonuses, 3.75% bonuses, 5% bonuses, 6.25% bonuses, 7.5% bonuses, and 10% bonuses. It's not actually possible in game due to limited power choices, but theoretically a character could slot five of each of those for a whopping 175% recharge bonus. And then there's a special IO (from the Luck of the Gambler defense set) that increases recharge by 7.5% as part of its special bonus, and you can use five of those on top of that (because the bonus name is different than the 7.5% set bonus) for a total of 212.5%!

Stacking bonuses can get to be really ridiculous if you're careful about building your character to shore up weaknesses or enhance strengths.


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To throw another wrench into all of this: Beware the temptation to pursue such redonculous enhancement from set bonuses, because you may end up sacrificing primary enhancement to your powers in such pursuit.


 

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To throw another wrench into all of this: Beware the temptation to pursue such redonculous enhancement from set bonuses, because you may end up sacrificing primary enhancement to your powers in such pursuit.
This is why learning the ins and outs of IOs is helpful before (or during) diving deeply into it.

For example: Say a set has a 7% accuracy bonus in it and you have it slotted in 5 attacks.

Looking at the primary enhancement of your powers, you see that the set you have slotted only gives 30% accuracy to the power it is in.

Now, 30% accuracy isn't that great....BUT....you are also getting an additional 35% accuracy in those attacks from having 5 of those set bonuses. And if you have 2 11% accuracy bonuses elsewhere in your build, that increases to 57% additional accuracy.

The end result is that it only shows you 30% accuracy in your attacks, but you actually have 65% (or 87%). It is quite common for people to use sets that have poor enhancement values in one aspect and then make up for that poor enhancement with set bonuses either from that set or somewhere else in the build.

It can get complicated, but once you understand how it works you can do some amazing things with your character's build.


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Originally Posted by Alpha_XBS View Post
You are correct, this means you are receiving that set bonus 2 times.
His telling you you are correct....is incorrect.

That (2) next to the set bonus in question is informing you that you get that particular bonus when you have 2 of that set slotted in one power.

So, if you see "(4)+2.25% Max HP" in a set IO's information, that means you will receive a 2.25% bonus to your max HP when you slot 4 of that set in a power.

However, I believe your assumption is correct if you are referring to the list of set bonuses you can view alongside your powers. If that is the case, disregard the above (though it is helpful to remember).


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His telling you you are correct....is incorrect.
As mentioned in the original post and bolded in the part that Alpha_XBS quoted, it's in the personal info, in which case it would be correct. If the OP actually meant in the IO info, then it would be incorrect.


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Originally Posted by jose2390 View Post
I noticed in my personal info that a (2) is next to the set bonuses. I'm assuming that (2) represents double the percentage, not sure. Also, I heard that I can only go up to (5) only. The purple ones are only (1) I heard....Any answer will be appreciated, thank you
My original quote of the OP is above for reference. Emphasis mine.

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
His telling you you are correct....is incorrect.

That (2) next to the set bonus in question is informing you that you get that particular bonus when you have 2 of that set slotted in one power.

So, if you see "(4)+2.25% Max HP" in a set IO's information, that means you will receive a 2.25% bonus to your max HP when you slot 4 of that set in a power.

However, I believe your assumption is correct if you are referring to the list of set bonuses you can view alongside your powers. If that is the case, disregard the above (though it is helpful to remember).
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As mentioned in the original post and bolded in the part that Alpha_XBS quoted, it's in the personal info, in which case it would be correct. If the OP actually meant in the IO info, then it would be incorrect.
As StarGeek noticed, when the OP references "personal info" he means "the list of set bonuses you can view alongside your powers" that Clawsand Effect is referring to.

If you go to Menu -> Personal Info, that is what you get.

Both the OP, and my confirmation are correct. If you see "Large Improved Recovery Bonus x 2" under your personal info, it does mean you are getting that bonus twice.

Please don't misconstrue my post as I am only posting this to make sure the OP is not confused.

He asked about the Personal Info window, not the IO information window.



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